Originally Posted by Hyrax<snipped for specific content>
We have multiple crime scenes In the apts. Therefor the only person who could have committed the crime is someone with an ability to enter multiple units in the complex. It can no longer plausibly be a completely random serial killer; McD needs to point the police at someone who could have access to all the crime scenes. Bon[y] Bush, for all her yammering, isn't really a likely suspect. That leaves the MM for the apartments. So he's the logical choice for the frame up, even if McD has no personal animosity towards him.
ITA with these thoughts of possibly why it was that specifically DD/MM was chosen simply due to the fact that it had to be someone with the access to the different apts in the complex..
However what I am still keeping my fingers crossed in hopes of is that there was a specific major hiccup in the design of the plan in that as far as I can tell from digging and searching Stephen's assumption that DD, the "maintenance man" was actually only a "resident contact" and based from the two owner's of BH apts DD never was given a masterkey to the complex.. Both Marty and Boni Bush both have stated on more than one occasion that there were ONLY 3 PEOPLE WHO HAD ACCESS TO THE MASTERKEY OF THE COMPLEX, and never at any time was one of those 3 named neither a "resident contact" or a "maintenance man".. Both owners state the ONLY 3 PEOPLE WITH MASTERKEY ACCESS WAS Boni, Marty, and the Property Manager.. Therefor at this point in going strictly off of those statements made by the owners I am holding out hope that the major flaw in design of Stephen's plan was an assumption of DD having this masterkey therefor access to the various apts that would infact have to be an absolute necessity for whomever it was to have committed the murder..
But something most likely we won't know for certain either way anytime soon..
Originally Posted by Sandstorm
That is the strangest thing to me. How can no provable cause of death = reasonable doubt as if there is no dead body?
In my mind the BODY is the proof that there is no doubt that the crime was committed.
Didn't Scott Peterson get convicted without a cause of death?
Help me out here!!
This is so sad that it is true.. Not only sad IMO but very scary that this has somehow been concluded as
factual, when in reality it is baseless and has zero to do with facts at all.. Just as AFL remarked about the CA jury, specifically with Miss Ford having gone public with her views and reasons for why CA was found
Not Guilty is was quite an eyeopener to say the least when it was found what the basis for their finding of Not Guilty was based upon.. That judegement was based upon a completely misunderstanding of how our justice system works, someone on that jury took it upon themselves to "educate" these other jurors that in order for them to find CA guilty of ANY of the charges(even the lesser charges) they must have had the SA connect all of the dots for them in showing how and when Caylee actually died.. When assessing whether to even begin the task of going thru any of the mountain of evidence, the foreman explained that the SA could not and did not provide for them a cause of death, due to that they had no choice to find any other judgment than that of Not Guilty.. At which point it was then decided what would be the point of diving into the tedious task of reviewing the evidence when they had no choice but go ajudge her of NOT GUILTY on all charges related to her daughter's death..
This was very, very disheartening for a great many of people who realized what this revelation meant that Miss Ford enlightened us with.. That glaringly now obvious once admitted the possibility of just how many people, how many juries made uP of individual jurors might there be that is under this same misguided, misunderstood, and completely false process of how our justice system works???????
Just as u quickly pointed out sandstorm Scott Peterson is a well known recent case that disproves this ridiculous notion that Miss Ford admitted to the world on national tv that the cause of death must infact be known and proven in order to ajudge a defendant guilty of murder of any degree including manslaughter.. It is preposterous to think this is accurate or in any way whatsoever true on any level..
Laci's remains that were the Only part to be recovered was merely the lower part of her torso(under the ribcage down), pelvic region and one quarter of one leg(uppermost thigh/groin area)still attached.. THAT IS IT!! so basically about what we have Of Lauren at this present point, basically no limbs(except for tiny nub of a partial thigh), no arms, no head.. Therefor NO KNOWN CAUSE OF DEATH WAS EVER GIVEN, PERIOD!!!.. and as we all know Scott Peterson found guilty of 1st degree murder and sentenced to the death penalty..
Proof positive that this nonsensical notion brought to light that a jury was under the assumption that was a requirement that they must be given and that without it gave them zero choice.. They were require by the laws of our system to find CA not guilty on all charges related to the death of her daughter..
And scary as it is it has become only more apparent sense that disheartening discovery that the Pinellas jury is far from alone in it's nonsensical belief of a requirement that is nothing more than pure fiction with no fact basis whatsoever.. If you thumb thru some of Lauren's
Previous threads you will see that there are posts that are of this exact same false belief and detailing charge for charge that the cause of death was required for each charge to be able to be ajudged a guilty verdict.. Scarier to me even more posts that state the desire to have the ability to educate those across the nation that this is infact how our system works(basically spreading the word of false and inaccurate procedures)..
It is these reasons that I too can not rest easy in knowing that the real killer is behind bars(not because I believe He is
Not the killer, but because I am terrified at the possibility of seeing another continuing miscarriage of justice up until the time when this problem is addressed and corrected(IMO an example of a way this problem and others like it could easily be addressed and solved is by having with each jury an individual who is thorough trained/educated in exactly how each of the juries rules are broken down and explain in laymen's terms as well as their being basically a "super jury foreman" solely unbiased that is there to strictly do nothing than explain or answer questions, and to be totally uninvolved in the jury's process only supervising to see that our justice systems procedure is being followed by the jury).. That is just a very quick example just touching on the points that would indeed easily solve the issue at hand..
But no matter what path our judicial system decides to address the issue and remedy it.. Fact Still is that this obvious fairly somewhat common grave misunderstanding of the systems process remains and due to that the greater chance of having more cases that are outright miscarriages of justice.. It is definitely something I've had no choice but to face in that even here on this very board there is this exact same incorrect falsehood that is believed to be a requirement to ajudge a defendant guilty of murder.. COD..
COD is NOT ONLY not required to be proven by the SA to the jury it in no way is a deciding factor of whether judgement is found tO be guilty or not guilty.. It is not going to be known in many cases, so are we supposed to literally reward those murderers by finding them not guilty just because they dis a mighty fine job of concealing a COD of the victim(as is the case here with Lauren)..
Absolutely and nothing less than a
Miscarriage of justice for which can never be righted that which was wrong and led to justice being lost.. Just as Casey Anthony was basically rewarded for doing a mighty fine job of murdering her toddlER and a skilled master at lying in order to keep her remains concealed until a time which COD could no longer be found..
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I am not crazy enough to believe that my little example of hoe to "fix" or address a problem would be as simple and easily righted by something so basic as I described.. I fully realize what an amazingly intricate machine that outlr justice system is.. It's amazing and it's as fair can get in this entire world.. I just know that as is with any manmade creation there is flaws, but it is how those flaws are addressed, not just ignored that leads to not only the machine of system not only Runs smoother and more efficient.. But it is even updated or improved with those flaws being addressed.. Only further proving what is our nations finest of all machine's, the American Justice System infact runs like the well oiled machine that it was created to be and to do..
But all in all they're still jmo, tho!!
