GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 8

[mck16]

I guess I am really am confused as to why all your posts seen to dwell on the NC. I am not saying you are right or wrong, but I don't really see a connection with your theories. Maybe I am not seeing what you are saying but ---- maybe you can help me ty

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[southernmimi]

I think, because of the decapitation, some just assume this had to be cult related. The NC is the only one known to the area so it's kind of a 2+2 might = 4 kind of thought process. IMO, we're all just throwing ideas out and hoping it eventually makes sense.

 

[Foxfire]

I guess I am really am confused as to why all your posts seem to dwell on the NC. I am not saying you are right or wrong, but I don't really see a connection with your theories. Maybe I am not seeing what you are saying but ---- maybe you can help me ty

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Mck16, although we look through same eyes, many times we see completely different things. The nickname is Foxfire, not Firefox...
Mck16, sorry that you are confused. I am a little confused myself.. Confused that you and a few others feel that all my posts only dwell on the Nuwaubian Cult theory. I honor all opinions and open to discussion of all other plausible theories.. The NC theory just seems to fit all the observations and indicators present in this well planned and meticulously executed heinous crime, imo..
The NC had means, motive, and opportunity, imo..

 

[Treelights]

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Mck16, although we look through same eyes, many times we see completely different things. The nickname is Foxfire, not Firefox...
Mck16, sorry that you are confused. I am a little confused myself.. Confused that you and a few others feel that all my posts only dwell on the Nuwaubian Cult theory. I honor all opinions and open to discussion of all other plausible theories.. The NC theory just seems to fit all the observations and indicators present in this well planned and meticulously executed heinous crime, imo..
The NC had means, motive, and opportunity, imo..

It's fine that your theories are about NC, but personally I thought to myself, I bet it's gonna be about the NC when I view this thread, and sure enough it is.
Everybody has their own viewpoints of course, it's just obvious, to me and some others, that lately (or for awhile) it's been about the NC on this thread, but I haven't seen it in print that SS thinks it is the NC.
Nothing wrong with your theories, they are your theories.
IMOO.

 

[Foxfire]

I think, because of the decapitation, some just assume this had to be cult related. The NC is the only one known to the area so it's kind of a 2+2 might = 4 kind of thought process. IMO, we're all just throwing ideas out and hoping it eventually makes sense.

Yes southernmimi, the decapitation narrows down the suspect pool considerably since the estimated number of psychopaths in the US population is less than four percent. Imo, the decapitation of Mr D., indicates a very rare sadistic psychopath/s with a probable violent crimal history, imo, which would reduce the suspect pool even more.. The precision of the cut/decapitation, as revealed by SS, indicates a skilled perp with martial arts, paramilitary, or military training with prior experience, imo.
I have just described the AAC/NC well trained security force; Mujahad members..JMO

Bumping article;

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/son-putnam-victims-blames-cult-moms-disappearance/nfyJ2/

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May 16, 2014
Son of Putnam victims blames cult for mom&#8217;s disappearance

Keith Dermond says he doesn't believe the murder of his father, Russell Dermond, and the possible kidnapping of his mother, Shirley Dermond, was random.

Channel 2&#8217;s Richard Elliot spoke on the phone with the Dermond&#8217;s son Keith. He&#8217;s in Jacksonville, Fla. He didn&#8217;t want to be recorded, but did talk about what the past two weeks have been like for his family.

Keith Dermond doesn&#8217;t believe someone specifically targeted his parents for this brutal crime. He believes it&#8217;s random, maybe the work of a cult.

 

[Foxfire]

It's fine that your theories are about NC, but personally I thought to myself, I bet it's gonna be about the NC when I view this thread, and sure enough it is.
Everybody has their own viewpoints of course, it's just obvious, to me and some others, that lately (or for awhile) it's been about the NC on this thread, but I haven't seen it in print that SS thinks it is the NC.
Nothing wrong with your theories, they are your theories.
IMOO.

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Treelights, if you want to know what SS thinks. You are gonna have to pay for it since the Atlanta MS Media is now hiding under their desks and the only newspaper in Eatonton, GA; The Eatonton Messenger has changed their viewer policy to pay per view since this investigation seems to be destined for the cold case files..jmo

'Awareness and the utilization of all investigative resources is the key in missing/murdered persons investigations'... "Silence and the squandering of available resources is the predators most lethal weapon".. This seems to be the antiquated investigative strategy by SS and the PCSO in the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation case after over 10 weeks...ajmo

If the Putnam County Sheriffs Department would request the assistance of the GBI(Georgia Bureau of Investigations), emerge from the Mesozoic Era, open a Facebook Page, and utilize twitter, and other social media resources. Maybe, just maybe we could all get some answers and a resolution in this mysterious case..
Ironically, all of these available investigative resources are free...

"There are no perfect murders, only imperfect investigations, imo".

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Interactive Social Media: The Value for Law Enforcement
http://leb.fbi.gov/2013/september/interactive-social-media-the-value-for-law-enforcement

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9/3/2013

The increase in use of interactive social media in the last 5 years has changed how people live their lives. Individuals use smart phones to post photos, identify their location, and advise what they are doing. If law enforcement agencies fully engage the public by using social media, the department and the community benefit by increasing collaboration and enhancing investigative capabilities. With well-planned implementation, the use of social media can impact community issues, and police departments and citizens can work together to solve crimes.

 

[southernmimi]

Those who can sever the head from a human body are few and far between...thanking our God for this. Most crimes are what they seem.

 

[tomkat]

And we also recall Keith Dermond was quoted as saying that they had had some very weird phone calls since their parent's deaths

hmmmmm

Not sure wildebeest.. Possibly due to their race, vulnerability, and secluded accessible lakeside lot. I did read in an article about a Putnam County preacher of the New Life Outreach Christian Center in Eatonton, GA, that was very vocal in the early 2000's concerning his opinion of DM York and the NC's true intentions for the area.. Not sure if the Dermonds were connected to the church in any way.. Still researching and reading the Ungodly book.. It is very eyeopening...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuwaubian_Nation
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For instance, in one lecture York said: “White people are the devil". ....
The NC is classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center
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http://www.farrakhanfactor.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=639
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Racial, legal issues cloud 'Egypt of the West'

By BILL OSINSKI
Atlanta Journal-Constitution Staff Writer

Gus Kilgore, pastor of the New Life Outreach Christian Center in Eatonton, said he has opposed the Nuwaubians because he considers some of York's teachings and writings to be anti-Christian. Kilgore has spoken out against the group on some of his local radio broadcasts and is trying to form an alliance of black and white clergy to oppose the group.

"They've come here and are saying, 'Move over and let us have our way, and if you don't let us have it, we'll take it,' " Kilgore said.

The Nuwaubians sometimes have "shown a hostile spirit" in their relations with county residents, Kilgore said, adding that he has received anonymous threatening letters.

 

[tomkat]

I still dont' understand how SS would imply that publicly if he suspects it

 

[Treelights]

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Treelights, if you want to know what SS thinks. You are gonna have to pay for it since the Atlanta MS Media is now hiding under their desks and the only newspaper in Eatonton, GA; The Eatonton Messenger has changed their viewer policy to pay per view since this investigation seems to be destined for the cold case files..jmo

'Awareness and the utilization of all investigative resources is the key in missing/murdered persons investigations'... "Silence and the squandering of available resources is the predators most lethal weapon".. This seems to be the antiquated investigative strategy by SS and the PCSO in the Dermond abduction/murders/decapitation case after over 10 weeks...ajmo

If the Putnam County Sheriffs Department would request the assistance of the GBI(Georgia Bureau of Investigations), emerge from the Mesozoic Era, open a Facebook Page, and utilize twitter, and other social media resources. Maybe, just maybe we could all get some answers and a resolution in this mysterious case..
Ironically, all of these available investigative resources are free...

"There are no perfect murders, only imperfect investigations, imo".

There is this link that I found that is free:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/murdered-elderly-couple-sheriff-says-victims-likel/nf4Tg/

" The sheriff has all but eliminated the idea that some sort of ritualistic cult was involved.
&#8220;If that was the case, they&#8217;d want us to know,&#8221; he said. "

IMOO.

 

[Foxfire]

Sniped from the SPLC article;
http://www.splcenter.org/get-inform...s/2002/fall/savior-in-a-strange-land?page=0,1

'Where's Bilal Philips Now?'
In the early 1990s, as York was beginning to speak to his followers about Georgia, the FBI undertook a major preliminary investigation of the cult. In a 29-page report, the agency laid out a series of shocking allegations.

Witnesses described a special AAC security team called the Mujahad, or "Sword of Islam," which included Roy Savage, a reputed AAC enforcer who may have been connected to the 1979 murder of an AAC opponent. (Savage went to prison for the 1983 murder of two Newark, New Jersey women.) Witnesses alleged that the Mujahad was involved in a spectrum of criminal activity, including narcotics and protection rackets.

The FBI report also described the AAC's so-called "construction crew," a group that allegedly burned down buildings York wanted to buy at cut-rate prices. Agents looked into a 1990-91 series of Maryland bank robberies allegedly carried out by AAC members, including one in which a motel clerk was shot.

Mujahad - Sword of Islam
https://www.google.com/webhp?source...2&ie=UTF-8#q=sword of islam khalid ibn waleed

There is this link that I found that is free:
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/murdered-elderly-couple-sheriff-says-victims-likel/nf4Tg/

" The sheriff has all but eliminated the idea that some sort of ritualistic cult was involved.
&#8220;If that was the case, they&#8217;d want us to know,&#8221; he said. "

IMOO.

Treelights, the NC is not considered as a ritualistic Cult...
That statement by SS was made on May 20, 2014; two months ago Treelights. This was before the Dermond investigation showed signs of joining the ranks of the other 190,000+ unsolved missing and murdered person's cases in the USA; 'America's Silent Disaster'...jmo

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The sheriff has all but eliminated the idea that some sort of ritualistic cult was involved.
&#8220;If that was the case, they&#8217;d want us to know,&#8221; he said.

There&#8217;s conflicting signs that the killings were the work of professionals.

 

[1&2&3]

Personally I do not think Sills will give any indication publically if he thinks the NC is involved! That is one hornets nest he does not want to disturb! It has probably been worked on since day one of this crime "in house". IMO

 

[Montjoy]

Treelights, the NC is not considered as a ritualistic Cult...

Sure they are. I'm not sure if you know what ritualistic means. They have all sorts of purely symbolic trappings that are not functional but symbolically meaningful to them.

I don't understand complaining that LE doesn't share information, on the one hand, and then dismissing anything that doesn't fit one's pet theory, on the other. It seems self-serving. If the public is, as has been stated, the most important tool in solving crimes (something I think is debatable at least), then the public should actually use the information given to us rather than picking and choosing the things we like.

 

[Foxfire]

Sure they are. I'm not sure if you know what ritualistic means. They have all sorts of purely symbolic trappings that are not functional but symbolically meaningful to them.

I don't understand complaining that LE doesn't share information, on the one hand, and then dismissing anything that doesn't fit one's pet theory, on the other. It seems self-serving. If the public is, as has been stated, the most important tool in solving crimes (something I think is debatable at least), then the public should actually use the information given to us rather than picking and choosing the things we like.

Montjoy, I think your antagonistic comment is self serving..
The Nuwaubian Nation of Moors is a black supremacy/separatist/racist cult hiding behind the cloak of religion, imo..

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/crime/2014/03/06/1955218/
Although Malachi York went to prison, his followers remain. The Nuwaubian temple and book store in Decatur quietly started three years ago.

Read the Southern Poverty Law Center's analysis of the Nuwaubians @ link below..

"We called it a cult," said Putnam Co. Sheriff Howard Sills, who led the investigation that put the man he knew as Dwight York in prison in 2002. York is serving a 135 year sentence for child molestation and racketeering.

"Almost all of these cults have a disastrous end to them in some way," Sills said. "Sometimes, if it's Jim Jones, it's mass suicide -- or whether it's York molesting a bunch of children."
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Nuwaubian Nation of Moors by The Southern Poverty Law Center
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/groups/nuwaubian-nation-of-moors

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Cultic Studies
Cult general

Cults Questions & Answers
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http://www.csj.org/studyindex/studycult/cultqa2.htm

What Types of Cults Exist?
Many systems for classifying cults have been advanced. A straightforward breakdown has been suggested by Dr. Margaret Singer, who observes the following types of cults:
eastern religious
Christian abberational
Satanic
occult/witchcraft/voodoo
spiritualist
racist
Zen and Sino/Japanese philosophical-mystical
flying saucer and outer space
psychotherapy
mass therapy or transformational training
political
new age
commercial
communal/self-help

 

[Foxfire]

There are 8 users browsing this thread (3 members and 5 guests). Yet, only two members names are showing. The numb3rs don't equate...NSA?
Do the math..

 

[mck16]

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Mck16, although we look through same eyes, many times we see completely different things. The nickname is Foxfire, not Firefox...
Mck16, sorry that you are confused. I am a little confused myself.. Confused that you and a few others feel that all my posts only dwell on the Nuwaubian Cult theory. I honor all opinions and open to discussion of all other plausible theories.. The NC theory just seems to fit all the observations and indicators present in this well planned and meticulously executed heinous crime, imo..
The NC had means, motive, and opportunity, imo..

Sorry for the mistake in your ID. And I do respect your ideas and theories. Don't you think that if it was the NC they would want credit for it and would have come out with some statement or something. Otherwise what was their point? ty

 

[Abelia]

mck16, I agree and that is the thing that puzzles me. If it were the NC, I believe they would want the public to know that they were the ones who had SS in the hot seat. The NC claiming "credit" would not mean giving up the specific perpetrators, merely that the group had exacted retribution against SS and Putnam Co. for the jailing of York. If indeed the purpose is to bankrupt Putnam Co. the Sheriff's Office and to destroy SS, I believe they would want the world to know who and why. Many small counties across the US have faced the same situation of a high profile (for their area) murder with few leads. No doubt they also expended great funds in their investigation. I really can't believe that the Nuwabians with their penchant for attracting attention would want to see this crime go the same way, if indeed they are responsible. Besides, if they are still fixated on SS and Putnam Co., even if they weren't involved I believe they would be claiming responsibility. Seems to me they are no longer as interested in Putnam Co. as Putnam Co. is in them. JMO

 

[mck16]

mck16, I agree and that is the thing that puzzles me. If it were the NC, I believe they would want the public to know that they were the ones who had SS in the hot seat. The NC claiming "credit" would not mean giving up the specific perpetrators, merely that the group had exacted retribution against SS and Putnam Co. for the jailing of York. If indeed the purpose is to bankrupt Putnam Co. the Sheriff's Office and to destroy SS, I believe they would want the world to know who and why. Many small counties across the US have faced the same situation of a high profile (for their area) murder with few leads. No doubt they also expended great funds in their investigation. I really can't believe that the Nuwabians with their penchant for attracting attention would want to see this crime go the same way, if indeed they are responsible. Besides, if they are still fixated on SS and Putnam Co., even if they weren't involved I believe they would be claiming responsibility. Seems to me they are no longer as interested in Putnam Co. as Putnam Co. is in them. JMO

I just think it is logical if they did it that they would let it be known. I don't see why they would wait over 10 years for retribution. What is their motive? jmo

 

[southernmimi]

If I murdered two people, I would neither broadcast it nor take credit for it.

 

[mck16]

If I murdered two people, I would neither broadcast it nor take credit for it.

I certainly wouldn't either, but we are talking about a cult and not one individual. jmo