GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 9

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Did you all notice in the Neighborhood info, when the Crime link is clicked on...

http://www.trulia.com/property/3173457838-147-Carolyn-Dr-Eatonton-GA-31024#photo-1

that it shows 147 Carolyn Drive and a little ways below that it shows that an "assault"/violent crime occurred May 7th with a little blurb about Sheriff Sills says everyone should lock (their doors, I think, it was cut off in the link) due to the murder.
But it doesn't Give the address and it looks like it occurred just southwest of where it does show their address on the Crime link map. If one looks closely, one could put two and two together,
but it was pretty clever how it was stated for selling purposes in the nearby "low" crime area.
IMOO.

Yep, major crimes are virtually always hush, hush due to the backlash affect on an areas commerce. Imo, it does little good to spin crime stats of an area due to internet social media awareness by savvy home buyers in the year 2014. One of the topics of discussion on the RP Blog<12/05/2014> is the lack of transparency concerning recent burglaries in RP/GW 31024 zip code.
A quick google search of Lake Oconee resulted in 5 different article links on the Dermond murders.
One Example;

Couple's finances focus of Lake Oconee murder probe
http://www.11alive.com/story/news/l...apitation-headless-unsolved-mystery/13737067/
 
"Well Folks, who couldn't see this coming"?

After over 7 months without clues or even a plausible motive for the Dermond abduction/decapitation/murders..
I'm not sure that everyone who joined this thread is aware that Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills, refused to request assistance by the GBI<Georgia Bureau of Investigation>. Although utilizing the GBI/State's ME and Crime Lab during the Dermond murder investigation, Sheriff Sills is adamant about leaving the GBI's well trained and very experienced special agents out of the loup.
Imo, all available investigative resources must be utilized in missing/murdered persons investigations to insure success..

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/resident-question-decision-not-call-gbi-help-putna/nfxjF/ May 15, 2014
Residents question decision not to call GBI for help in Putnam Co. beheading

Where an elderly man was beheaded say they&#8217;re surprised their sheriff hasn&#8217;t called the state for help.
Russell Dermond, 88, was found dead last week in his Reynold&#8217;s Plantation Gate Water home, and investigators believe his wife, Shirley Dermond, was kidnapped.
Bill McClain lives in the same neighborhood in Putnam County.
&#8220;I&#8217;m just surprised. I would think they&#8217;d be calling in all the help they could possibly get,&#8221; McClain said.
McClain said he thought the GBI had already been called in.

Sheriff Sills said his department has not found many clues to the crime or to Shirley Dermond&#8217;s whereabouts, but he said he is not prepared to call in the GBI for help, instead relying on his own 40 years in law enforcement.

&#8220;If you can tell me something the GBI knows how to do that I don&#8217;t know how to do then I will be glad and call them,&#8221; Sills said.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/put...sills-profile-of-cop-over-dermond-couple-case
Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills: Profile of cop over Dermond couple case May 15, 2014

And on a final note, long before he would become involved in one of the most bizarre cases in the state, Howard Sills told his peers at the Georgia Sheriff's Association dinner that "if you're calling the state patrol to work every wreck you have, if you're calling the GBI to work every investigation you have, if you're calling somebody else every time something happens in your community, sooner or later, you're going to see a referendum to do away with you, because they're not going to know who you are," the sheriff said.

The Russell and Shirley Dermond case has propelled this Georgia Sheriff Association's Sheriff of the Year front and center in his community in Putnam County and around the nation, so he will probably never have to worry that someone does not know who he is in Eatonton, Ga. and beyond for some time. But whether he is remembered as the lawman who sought and achieved justice for the victims in this case will be determined by the success of his investigation, which is currently one being done in conjunction with many other law enforcement agencies in the country, including the GBI and the FBI.

Because the one thing Mr. Sills stressed more than maintaining independence of his office in his speech was that the job must get done--by the sheriff's office.
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Like dying of thirst yet won't ask for water...can't understand it.

Yes, southernmimi, it is the same explanation as to why sexual predators/serial killers are enabled to go for years or decades without identification and apprehension; jurisdiction linkage blindness and the refusal to share information between law enforcement agencies, egos, imo...

http://prtl.uhcl.edu/portal/page/pct/USN/TheSignal/Life?articleId=402
Dr Egger - Jurisdictional blindness

Not only is it difficult to figure out why serial killers continue to kill, it is also hard for law enforcement agencies to identify a serial killer due to "linkage blindness," another term coined by Egger. "Police don't share information across jurisdictional boundaries," Egger said. "There's always some friction there."

Agencies prefer to worry only about their own jurisdiction, instead of sharing information to work together to solve a murder. Egger says a serial murder investigation may, but not always, have as many as seven different crime scenes: the place the victim was initially lured, transportation to a different location, the place the victim was kept, transportation to another location, where the victim was killed, where the body was dumped, and where the weapon was dumped. "In most instances all the police have is the dumpsite," Egger said.

Egger says the other crime scenes are never investigated because of linkage blindness and the fact that law enforcement officials usually treat serial murder as a single homicide. "But if you find out that you're talking about multiple dumpsites in different jurisdictions, then you have a higher possibility of coming up with some trace evidence, particularly in the first kill," Egger said. "The offender brings something to the crime scene, leaves something at the crime scene, and takes something away from the crime scene,"

Egger said when explaining his three part premise of a crime scene and the reason there is not always a lot of trace evidence. "If you have someone who is aware of that, who is careful, and you're only dealing with one dumpsite, and you're treating it as a single homicide, you have no way of managing your suspects," Egger said.

Egger says a typical homicide is not difficult to solve because you are simply dealing with people's alibis, and the person without one becomes the prime suspect. However, in a serial murder you do not have that. "All crime is serial in nature," Egger said. "Most criminals, if not caught, will repeat their crime. And if that's true, then you've got to share information."

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"Well Folks, who couldn't see this coming"?

After over 7 months without clues or even a plausible motive for the Dermond abduction/decapitation/murders..
I'm not sure that everyone who joined this thread is aware that Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills, refused to request assistance by the GBI<Georgia Bureau of Investigation>. Although utilizing the GBI/State's ME and Crime Lab during the Dermond murder investigation, Sheriff Sills is adamant about leaving the GBI's well trained and very experienced special agents out of the loup.
Imo, all available investigative resources must be utilized in missing/murdered persons investigations to insure success..

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/resident-question-decision-not-call-gbi-help-putna/nfxjF/ May 15, 2014
Residents question decision not to call GBI for help in Putnam Co. beheading

Where an elderly man was beheaded say they&#8217;re surprised their sheriff hasn&#8217;t called the state for help.
Russell Dermond, 88, was found dead last week in his Reynold&#8217;s Plantation Gate Water home, and investigators believe his wife, Shirley Dermond, was kidnapped.
Bill McClain lives in the same neighborhood in Putnam County.
&#8220;I&#8217;m just surprised. I would think they&#8217;d be calling in all the help they could possibly get,&#8221; McClain said.
McClain said he thought the GBI had already been called in.

Sheriff Sills said his department has not found many clues to the crime or to Shirley Dermond&#8217;s whereabouts, but he said he is not prepared to call in the GBI for help, instead relying on his own 40 years in law enforcement.

&#8220;If you can tell me something the GBI knows how to do that I don&#8217;t know how to do then I will be glad and call them,&#8221; Sills said.
<Video @ link - sniped - Read More>
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http://www.examiner.com/article/put...sills-profile-of-cop-over-dermond-couple-case
Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills: Profile of cop over Dermond couple case May 15, 2014

And on a final note, long before he would become involved in one of the most bizarre cases in the state, Howard Sills told his peers at the Georgia Sheriff's Association dinner that "if you're calling the state patrol to work every wreck you have, if you're calling the GBI to work every investigation you have, if you're calling somebody else every time something happens in your community, sooner or later, you're going to see a referendum to do away with you, because they're not going to know who you are," the sheriff said.

The Russell and Shirley Dermond case has propelled this Georgia Sheriff Association's Sheriff of the Year front and center in his community in Putnam County and around the nation, so he will probably never have to worry that someone does not know who he is in Eatonton, Ga. and beyond for some time. But whether he is remembered as the lawman who sought and achieved justice for the victims in this case will be determined by the success of his investigation, which is currently one being done in conjunction with many other law enforcement agencies in the country, including the GBI and the FBI.

Because the one thing Mr. Sills stressed more than maintaining independence of his office in his speech was that the job must get done--by the sheriff's office.
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Thanks for the reminder, Fox. I hope there is a valid reason as to why SS won't ask for help from the GBI.
 
I always get so excited when I see this thread is bumped.
I sure wish there would be a break!
 
looked the same to me, just showed garage on this site and a different angle of the water down by the dock, i didn't see it on map, just noted the
address
 
"Well Folks, who couldn't see this coming"?

After over 7 months without clues or even a plausible motive for the Dermond abduction/decapitation/murders..
I'm not sure that everyone who joined this thread is aware that Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills, refused to request assistance by the GBI<Georgia Bureau of Investigation>. Although utilizing the GBI/State's ME and Crime Lab during the Dermond murder investigation, Sheriff Sills is adamant about leaving the GBI's well trained and very experienced special agents out of the loup.
Imo, all available investigative resources must be utilized in missing/murdered persons investigations to insure success..

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/resident-question-decision-not-call-gbi-help-putna/nfxjF/ May 15, 2014
Residents question decision not to call GBI for help in Putnam Co. beheading

Where an elderly man was beheaded say they’re surprised their sheriff hasn’t called the state for help.
Russell Dermond, 88, was found dead last week in his Reynold’s Plantation Gate Water home, and investigators believe his wife, Shirley Dermond, was kidnapped.
Bill McClain lives in the same neighborhood in Putnam County.
“I’m just surprised. I would think they’d be calling in all the help they could possibly get,” McClain said.
McClain said he thought the GBI had already been called in.

Sheriff Sills said his department has not found many clues to the crime or to Shirley Dermond’s whereabouts, but he said he is not prepared to call in the GBI for help, instead relying on his own 40 years in law enforcement.

“If you can tell me something the GBI knows how to do that I don’t know how to do then I will be glad and call them,” Sills said.
<Video @ link - sniped - Read More>
_______________________

http://www.examiner.com/article/put...sills-profile-of-cop-over-dermond-couple-case
Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills: Profile of cop over Dermond couple case May 15, 2014

And on a final note, long before he would become involved in one of the most bizarre cases in the state, Howard Sills told his peers at the Georgia Sheriff's Association dinner that "if you're calling the state patrol to work every wreck you have, if you're calling the GBI to work every investigation you have, if you're calling somebody else every time something happens in your community, sooner or later, you're going to see a referendum to do away with you, because they're not going to know who you are," the sheriff said.

The Russell and Shirley Dermond case has propelled this Georgia Sheriff Association's Sheriff of the Year front and center in his community in Putnam County and around the nation, so he will probably never have to worry that someone does not know who he is in Eatonton, Ga. and beyond for some time. But whether he is remembered as the lawman who sought and achieved justice for the victims in this case will be determined by the success of his investigation, which is currently one being done in conjunction with many other law enforcement agencies in the country, including the GBI and the FBI.

Because the one thing Mr. Sills stressed more than maintaining independence of his office in his speech was that the job must get done--by the sheriff's office.
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Well that sums it up it seems! I could take that 2 ways: SS doesn't want to extinct his job OR SS is saying that GBI isn't to be called every time there is a murder or other.
However, didn't they call the FBI? Why FBI? did he feel that it was a nationwide case due to the fact that the residents were from out of state?

On the other hand, this is Georgia........................
 
I wish there was a break in the case as well. For justice for these poor people and to get the maniacs off the streets if they are still in the area? Do they look at sex offenders in the area? I don't think this would be their kind of game tho but I really don't know.

I think the residents think the killer/s have gone back from whence they came, never to be found, targeted only the Dermonds for (whatever) reasons.

But SS thinks they are familiar with the lake, so that means they could be anywhere in the Eatonton or surrounding area
 
Well that sums it up it seems! I could take that 2 ways: SS doesn't want to extinct his job OR SS is saying that GBI isn't to be called every time there is a murder or other.
However, didn't they call the FBI? Why FBI? did he feel that it was a nationwide case due to the fact that the residents were from out of state?

On the other hand, this is Georgia........................

If my memory is correct, SS requested the FBI's assistance due to the abduction of Mrs D, and the heinous nature of the crime; Mr D's decapitation. This was not the first high profile case where the GBI was left out of the equation by Sheriff Sills..

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Homicide victim, missing wife prompt need of FBI, criminal behavior specialist 05/10/2014 <sniped & BBM - Read More>
http://www.examiner.com/article/hom...ompt-need-of-fbi-criminal-behavior-specialist

An 88-year-old Putnam county man's homicide death, as well as his missing 87-year-old wife, has resulted in the local sheriff requesting assistance from the FBI in the case, and the possible need for a criminal behavior specialist's assistance, too, according to a May 9, 2014 report from the Macon Telegraph.

The behavior specialist, also known as a criminal profiler, could help shed light on the confusing and mysterious case using a number of profiling techniques and tools currently available. And while the FBI is not the only law enforcement agency with with access to profilers--and it is not mandatory that a profiler work for any law enforcement agency in order to operate successfully in the field--the FBI will have more access to the investigative information gathered by the Putnam County Sheriff and his staff at this time than any outside entity not invited to prepare a criminal profile report.

Did the decapitation of Russell Dermond result as a precautionary act meant to confuse, hamper or defeat investigative or forensic efforts? If so, was it removed in order to conceal Mr. Dermond's identity or the suspect's connection to the crime? Or, as Fox News' contributor Mark Fuhrman posits on Happening Now with Jenna Lee, maybe the removal of the victim's head was because "obviously, his body left in that condition, is a message."

The most important aspect of a criminal profile; however, especially one in which there is no known suspect, is the need to conduct a thorough victimology.
 
Skull found in Douglas county! Will try to transcribe this tomorrow. I don't think it is Mr. Dermond's skull.

No serious attempt made to claim the reward.
 
New potential evidence in beheading, murder of Putnam couple

Investigative reporter Mark Winne says the Gwinnett County DA's office is now using special software to help break down mountains of new data.
 
Re-interviewed the family members for a second time last week. Doesn't call them a POI.
 
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