GA GA - Shirley, 87, & Russell Dermond, 88, Putnam County, 2 May 2014 - # 9

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What I find interesting is that this happened ONE WEEK, probably to the day, after the family LEFT to return home from their Easter visit with the Dermonds

You do have to wonder why this happened WHEN it did. Why did the killers not try it before this date or even after? I guess what I'm trying to say is, what about this date made it the perfect timing? Did they try? Or did they plot this for a while? I presume we are all thinking about the Derby party. WHO would know about the Derby party then, other than family and the residents? What outsiders would REALLY pay attention to that, even if they'd heard about it? Maybe serious equestrians? Locals? family and outside friends?

So we have Derby party and the lake that maybe someone was familiar with.............and the authorities have mentioned not only the gate house cameras were out but also the Dermonds had been messed with or maybe power outage in the area during that time? hmmm

I do hope those phone records reveal something!
 
....New Evidence released in murder of Lake Oconee couple
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/investigators-hope-new-evidence-may-lead-arrest-sl/njN97/

ATLANTA - .... "We're still actively investigating," said Sheriff Howard Sills.
"Most people of this age are not murdered, much less murdered in this manner."
SBM BMM

The bbm phrasing is ...a slip of the tongue???
I'd think most people of any age are not murdered in Putnam County, ditto every other county in US. JM2cts.
 
What I find interesting is that this happened ONE WEEK, probably to the day, after the family LEFT to return home from their Easter visit with the Dermonds....
sbm

One week? Or more?
Not sure when fam left. Did they stay after Easter?
Easter was on Sunday, April 20, 2014.

The Kentucky Derby was on Saturday, May 3, 2014.
  • Location: Churchill Downs, Louisville, Kentucky
dancin, like you say, interesting timing.

If this is sleuthing, Mods, pls delete this: Were both sons and the dau there? Plus some/all their fams?
 
yes you are correct, more, May 4th would be 2 weeks after easter, depending on when the family arrived and departed

I don't know when they arrived, considering, the family stayed the week after easter, to the 25th possibly, iDK, but THAT dparture date is 1 week before the murder

talking about the derby party in GW or Madison GA, whereever it was held,

glad they got to visit?..............

at any rate, their murder occurred a week to a week and half after the family left, the daughter and grandchildren were there? Attended church easter sunday

also dont' know if there were school Holidays to consider during this time

Thinking if they were there for easter Sunday, they didnt' leave that day, but probably not until the next week, whatever day that would be, just thinking out loud
 
Putnam sheriff reviewing Dermonds' phone records

...He recently received the records for about 20 people, under a court order.


Sills says they include the Dermonds' family members and other people connected to them....

more at: http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...ff-reviewing-dermonds-phone-records/20143607/


Also, OT but: If the execution of a man convicted years ago for the murder of a Baldwin County deputy proceeds as scheduled tonight, Sheriff Sills is scheduled to be there:

Holsey’s attorney petitions U.S. Supreme Court for stay of execution

...Baldwin County Sheriff Bill Massee and Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills, who was the chief deputy for Baldwin County when Robinson was killed, plan to witness the execution, along with Ocmulgee Judicial Circuit District Attorney Fred Bright. ...

...Massee and Sills emotionally testified against clemency Monday.

“It was kinda draining,” said Sills, who was witnessing his first execution....

more at: http://www.macon.com/2014/12/09/3470656/state-supreme-court-denies-stay.html?sp=/99/100/&ihp=1

ETA: Link I provided earlier on this last part doesn't seem to be directing quite as smoothly now, so updating with a new one:
http://www.macon.com/2014/12/09/3470656_state-supreme-court-denies-stay.html?sp=/99/100/&rh=1

ETA again: Now I see why the trouble with the link...the execution has proceeded and the story has been being updated as things progressed...
 
sbm
From above link:
"He recently received the records for about 20 people, under a court order.Sills says they include the Dermonds' family members and other people connected to them.
He said he's not following up on specific tips, but looking for new leads in the baffling murder. In October, he said his office was preparing four court orders seeking new evidence. One covered the phone records; another asked for more financial information."

Interesting that phone records include ~20 ppl, besides or including Mr&MrsD.

IIRC, in Oct., Sheriff attributed delay in receiving phone records to a specific office of phone co. operating in a foreign country.

If so, how likely is it that 20 ppl all used same phone carrier, so there was uniform delay in phone co. providing records for all 20?.
Totally expected or wild coincidence?
Or was earlier explanation not 100% factual?

Not picking on Sheriff but trying to make sense of report. JM2cts.
 
In the beginning, I was thinking more along the lines of getting the Dermonds phone records from their cell phones, all the numbers called or received would be on it. Many companies have foreign corporate that are American companies.

So. now thinking they had 20 numbers from the Dermonds they are investigating? Some of those may be foreigners themselves?

A man of that caliber has, or does still, deal with many foreigners

That will all likely lead to... he said/she said when they start questioning people, who knows where that will lead also

Will be interesting to see or hear any outcome!
 
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...rest-sl/njN97/

ATLANTA - .... "We're still actively investigating," said Sheriff Howard Sills.
"Most people of this age are not murdered, much less murdered in this manner."


I take this as elderly people tend to engage in far less behavior and interaction with other individuals that might put them at higher risk of suffering a violent end (murder) - that is all I think he meant by that.
 
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local...rest-sl/njN97/
ATLANTA - .... "We're still actively investigating," said Sheriff Howard Sills.
"Most people of this age are not murdered, much less murdered in this manner."
I take this as elderly people tend to engage in far less behavior and interaction with other individuals that might put them at higher risk of suffering a violent end (murder) - that is all I think he meant by that.

tlcya
Agreed, I think that's what Sheriff S meant, just that phrasing seemed a bit off.
 
"Frruussttrraateeddd, That about Sums it up"! "Over seven months later, and we all remain suspects"...

http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/2014/05/06/putnam-county-possible-abduction/8785443/
Sheriff: Beheading is most Frustrating Homicide in his Career - May 8, 2014

PUTNAM COUNTY, Ga. -- At a press conference Thursday, Putnam County Sheriff Howard Sills says after this week's brutal murder everyone should lock their doors.

88-year-old Russell Dermond was found beheaded at his home on Lake Oconee Tuesday. His 87-year-old wife Shirley is missing. Her purse and phone left behind. along with the couple's cars.

Sills said this is the most frustrating homicide he's handled in his career. "The only one who's not a suspect is me, because I know where I was," Sheriff Sills said.
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why should they lock their doors if the Dermonds were targeted? Isn't that what was also said by SS?
just thinking out loud
 
tried to post this earlier, let me see if I can restate:

First of all, I do think that Mr dermond was meant to be discovered in the manner he was found and that it was meant as a message, clearly to someone other than Mr dermond. One report said that there was blood splatter in the garage adn that the pattern or lack of large amounts, indicated Mr D was dead before the decapitation. One or a few hits in the head, which we dont' have, could have been the manner of death, as the coroner also stated, so that could have clearly happened in the garage or inside home without blood splatter IMO
I think that Mrs D body being dumped was to slow down or confuse the investigation temporarily giving the killers more time while authorities tried to figure out her whereabouts/murder/kidnap
I do think, after visiting lawrence shoals that the killers entered there and exited there, very secluded with nothing but lake and forest and probably very dark at night and one could easily enter there (without having to go through security at the gate entrance to GW,) boat right up to the Dermonds cove posing as fisherman, which is quite common to find them in coves and at night or all night.
I think that as they were dumping Mrs D's body, they were posing as fisherman in a spot that was frequented by fishermen, during the night, posing as night fishermen, with few if any on the lake, they then dumped her and then exited the lake at Lawrence shoals.
Of course, it was someone who knew the lake fairly well if not better than fairly, who would that be? Locals, family, friends, neighbors?
I have several scenarios. I'm sure many have the same as myself.
Remembering that there was no signs of forced entry, they knew or were familiar with their perpetrators giving reason to the first 2 scenarios below
First of all, who would want to send a message to someone that new the Dermonds and why. Business? He knew something, saw something, some kind of extortion or exploitation by either party, giving rise to ridding of the D's. A man of this caliber has seen and done a lot, knows a LOT of people and so do his children being in the same business as father
....$econd, since Mrs D abduction was meant to be a distraction, could Mr D manner of death also meant to be a distraction to confuse the investigation? Then you have to say who and why. Follow the money
Thirdly, revenge towards someone and they were an easy target due to the location and elderly. Maybe the son hit the nail on the head or.......$
 
tried to post this earlier, let me see if I can restate:

First of all, I do think that Mr dermond was meant to be discovered in the manner he was found and that it was meant as a message, clearly to someone other than Mr dermond. One report said that there was blood splatter in the garage adn that the pattern or lack of large amounts, indicated Mr D was dead before the decapitation. One or a few hits in the head, which we dont' have, could have been the manner of death, as the coroner also stated, so that could have clearly happened in the garage or inside home without blood splatter IMO
I think that Mrs D body being dumped was to slow down or confuse the investigation temporarily giving the killers more time while authorities tried to figure out her whereabouts/murder/kidnap
I do think, after visiting lawrence shoals that the killers entered there and exited there, very secluded with nothing but lake and forest and probably very dark at night and one could easily enter there (without having to go through security at the gate entrance to GW,) boat right up to the Dermonds cove posing as fisherman, which is quite common to find them in coves and at night or all night.
I think that as they were dumping Mrs D's body, they were posing as fisherman in a spot that was frequented by fishermen, during the night, posing as night fishermen, with few if any on the lake, they then dumped her and then exited the lake at Lawrence shoals.
Of course, it was someone who knew the lake fairly well if not better than fairly, who would that be? Locals, family, friends, neighbors?
I have several scenarios. I'm sure many have the same as myself.
Remembering that there was no signs of forced entry, they knew or were familiar with their perpetrators giving reason to the first 2 scenarios below
First of all, who would want to send a message to someone that new the Dermonds and why. Business? He knew something, saw something, some kind of extortion or exploitation by either party, giving rise to ridding of the D's. A man of this caliber has seen and done a lot, knows a LOT of people and so do his children being in the same business as father
....$econd, since Mrs D abduction was meant to be a distraction, could Mr D manner of death also meant to be a distraction to confuse the investigation? Then you have to say who and why. Follow the money
Thirdly, revenge towards someone and they were an easy target due to the location and elderly. Maybe the son hit the nail on the head or.......$

:goodpost:

:takeabow:

I vote for number 2
 
tried to post this earlier, let me see if I can restate:

First of all, I do think that Mr dermond was meant to be discovered in the manner he was found and that it was meant as a message, clearly to someone other than Mr dermond. One report said that there was blood splatter in the garage adn that the pattern or lack of large amounts, indicated Mr D was dead before the decapitation. One or a few hits in the head, which we dont' have, could have been the manner of death, as the coroner also stated, so that could have clearly happened in the garage or inside home without blood splatter IMO
I think that Mrs D body being dumped was to slow down or confuse the investigation temporarily giving the killers more time while authorities tried to figure out her whereabouts/murder/kidnap
I do think, after visiting lawrence shoals that the killers entered there and exited there, very secluded with nothing but lake and forest and probably very dark at night and one could easily enter there (without having to go through security at the gate entrance to GW,) boat right up to the Dermonds cove posing as fisherman, which is quite common to find them in coves and at night or all night.
I think that as they were dumping Mrs D's body, they were posing as fisherman in a spot that was frequented by fishermen, during the night, posing as night fishermen, with few if any on the lake, they then dumped her and then exited the lake at Lawrence shoals.
Of course, it was someone who knew the lake fairly well if not better than fairly, who would that be? Locals, family, friends, neighbors?
I have several scenarios. I'm sure many have the same as myself.
Remembering that there was no signs of forced entry, they knew or were familiar with their perpetrators giving reason to the first 2 scenarios below
First of all, who would want to send a message to someone that new the Dermonds and why. Business? He knew something, saw something, some kind of extortion or exploitation by either party, giving rise to ridding of the D's. A man of this caliber has seen and done a lot, knows a LOT of people and so do his children being in the same business as father
....$econd, since Mrs D abduction was meant to be a distraction, could Mr D manner of death also meant to be a distraction to confuse the investigation? Then you have to say who and why. Follow the money
Thirdly, revenge towards someone and they were an easy target due to the location and elderly. Maybe the son hit the nail on the head or.......$

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RE: <Remembering that there was no signs of forced entry, they knew or were familiar with their perpetrators> giving reason to the first 2 scenarios below

dancinunderthemoon, although I agree with most of your comment, the BBM indicates the probability of a creative ruse being used to lower the Dermond's guard and to gain entry of their home, imo. I also agree that revenge/retribution was the likely motive and the Dermonds were simply an easy target due to their ages and the seclusion/privacy of their wooded cul-de-sac lot, easily acessed by lake oconee..

Due to the seven months that have passed since the Dermond's abduction/decapitation/murders without a successful resolution by Sheriff Sills and the FBI. Imo, due to the lack of forensics, witnesses, and suspects, these murders were very well planned and meticulously executed by professionally and likely paramilitary trained perps to send a message...

Bumping 05/20/2014 AJC Article: Murdered elderly couple | Sheriff says Dermonds likely knew killers <Video interview of SS>

Murdered elderly couple | Sheriff says Dermonds likely knew killers
http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/murdered-elderly-couple-sheriff-says-victims-likel/nf4Tg/

The sheriff has all but eliminated the idea that some sort of ritualistic cult was involved.

&#8220;If that was the case, they&#8217;d want us to know,&#8221; he said.

There&#8217;s conflicting signs that the killings were the work of professionals.

&#8220;For everything that looks professional, there&#8217;s something that isn&#8217;t,&#8221; Sills said. &#8220;This is not the work of some drug-crazed individuals, and this is not some professional assassin.&#8221;

Nothing has surfaced that would indicate the Dermonds ever associated with such people.
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http://www.13wmaz.com/story/news/lo...ills-dermond-home-returned-to-family/9483813/ 05/24/2014
[sniped]

--"Could 1 person do it? Sure, but the circumstances and evidences lead me to believe it was a minimum of 2 people."

--There is "definitely no doubt about it" that Russell Dermond's head was cut off and Shirley's body dumped was to "conceal evidence, buy time and obstruct roadblocks in our investigation. Does it show depravity? Yes, but it was for self-preservation of whoever done it.."

--"This does not mean it's organized crime. There's no evidence of that. No Mafia or cartel..."

--"A brutal evil savage of some sort." &#8220;I hate to be graphic, or sound crude, but we&#8217;re still looking for Mr. Dermond&#8217;s head,&#8221; Sills said.
 
Even with so many possible scenarios, it would be an even greater tragedy if we learned the Dermonds were just an easy target and randomly selected. They seemed to have lived a very respectable life, and have nothing in their past to cause such rage to be directed towards them. What a swirling of evil if they were chosen to avenge a perceived injustice by someone else.
 
Even with so many possible scenarios, it would be an even greater tragedy if we learned the Dermonds were just an easy target and randomly selected. They seemed to have lived a very respectable life, and have nothing in their past to cause such rage to be directed towards them. What a swirling of evil if they were chosen to avenge a perceived injustice by someone else.

hi southernmimi, we don't really know who he was communicating with, seems to me, he wouldn't cooperate or someone else wouldn't. Considering the way he died, he or someone would not comply with some uncouth indivduals.
He was probably a message to someone else the Dermonds know very closely that possibly was dealing with some uncouth individuals and the person he knows got into a situation unknowingly and was threatened or owed money or would not entertain any threats, exploitation or extortion
The fact is that he was beheaded and left to be found, that speaks volumes and stating these scenarious does not imply the Dermonds were not respectable people. We've all been the recipient of narcissist or psychopathic behaviors in our lives, the numbers of these type are on the rise, but we dont' all own this many franchises nor dealt with the "elite" so to speak. These types of individuals abound in the upper class, that's how they got where they are in many cases.

The fact that the head was decapitated and the body was left behind yet removing Mrs D from the location, to me, indicates he was meant to be found that way. There are so many scenarious besides what I mentioned earlier but this fact alone, speaks volumes in my opinion

Would just like to know WHO the message was meant for
 
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