GA - Suspicion over heat death of Cooper, 22 mo., Cobb County, June 2014, #10

[blue22]

True. But I was talking about THIS evidence. And, if it's diminished or removed completely, that's relevant. Let's say, for example, that he is proven to have a medical history of hearing loss AND no sense of smell. That will be the evidence. Personally, I have no idea whether that type of information will come in, but it could. I've already talked about my hearing loss. My ex has a loss of smell due to nasal polyps. Is Ross Harris the unluckiest most unlikeable defendants in the history of all mankind? Maybe. Does he have those two conditions?

I am also talking about this "evidence." If there is no medical proof he can't smell and they only have his word, no one is buying it. Hearing loss in one ear is a desperate and pathetic defense that will not work and be entirely laughable. JMO.

 

[PigPong]

I haven't verified all of it myself yet, but it appears that a minor is 18, the age of consent is 16, a "child" is 14 and you may or may not be able to send penis pics to a 16 year old, depending on the circumstances.

Yeah, messed up, huh? For our purposes though, right now, consent isn't an issue.

What I'm wondering though is on Friday they said they had only identified and spoken with 2 (or was it 3?) of the six sexting partners. One had also hooked up with him in a park and one was 16 when they started sexting. So, what if some of the others are minors?....

 

[TorisMom003]

IF, and we don't know for sure yet, so IF Harris had sex with the 16 year old then the following also applies.

16-6-3.

(a) A person commits the offense of statutory
rape when he or she engages in sexual intercourse with any person under the age
of 16 years and not his or her spouse, provided that no conviction shall be had
for this offense on the unsupported testimony of the victim.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, a person convicted of the offense of
statutory rape shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more
than 20 years; provided, however, that if the person so convicted is 21 years
of age or older, such person shall be punished by imprisonment for not less
than ten nor more than 20 years; Any person convicted under this subsection of the offense of statutory rape shall, in addition, be subject to the sentencing and punishment provisions of Code Section 17-10-6.2.
(c) If the victim is at least 14 but less than 16 years of age and the person convicted of statutory rape is 18 years of age or younger and is no more than three years older than the victim, such person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

Link:
http://www.ageofconsent.us/state-laws/georgia-age-of-consent-laws/

 

[PigPong]

§ 16-12-100.1. Electronically furnishing obscene material to minors

(a) As used in this Code section, the term:
(1) "Bulletin board system" means a computer data and file service that is
accessed by telephone line to store and transmit information.
(2) "CD-ROM" means a compact disc with read only memory which has the
capacity to store audio, video, and written materials and is used by computers
to reveal the above-said material.
(3) "Electronically furnishes" means:
(A) To make available by electronic storage device, including floppy disks
and other magnetic storage devices, or by CD-ROM; or
(B) To make available by allowing access to information stored in a
computer, including making material available by operating a computer bulletin
board.
(4) "Harmful to minors" means that quality of description or representation,
in whatever form, of nudity, sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or
sadomasochistic abuse, when it:
(A) Taken as a whole, predominantly appeals to the prurient, shameful, or
morbid interest of minors;
(B) Is patently offensive to prevailing standards in the adult community
as a whole with respect to what is suitable material for minors; and
(C) Is, when taken as a whole, lacking in serious literary, artistic,
political, or scientific value for minors.
(5) "Minor" means an unmarried person younger than 18 years of age.
(6) "Sadomasochistic abuse" means flagellation or torture by or upon a person
who is nude or clad in undergarments or in revealing or bizarre costume or the
condition of being fettered, bound, or otherwise physically restrained on the
part of one so clothed.
(7) "Sexual conduct" means human masturbation, sexual intercourse, or any
touching of the genitals, pubic areas, or buttocks of the human male or female
or the breasts of the female, whether alone or between members of the same or
opposite sex or between humans and animals in an act of apparent sexual
stimulation or gratification.
(8) "Sexual excitement" means the condition of human male or female genitals
or the breasts of the female when in a state of sexual stimulation.
(b) A person commits the crime of electronically furnishing obscene materials to
minors if:
(1) Knowing or having good reason to know the character of the material
furnished, the person electronically furnishes to an individual whom the person
knows or should have known is a minor:
(A) Any picture, photograph, drawing, or similar visual representation or
image of a person or portion of a human body which depicts sexually explicit
nudity, sexual conduct, or sadomasochistic abuse and which is harmful to minors;
or
(B) Any written or aural matter that contains material of the nature
described in subparagraph (A) of this paragraph or contains explicit verbal
descriptions or narrative accounts of sexual conduct, sexual excitement, or
sadomasochistic abuse;
(2) The offensive portions of the material electronically furnished to the
minor are not merely an incidental part of an otherwise nonoffending whole;
(3) The material furnished to the minor, taken as a whole, lacks serious
literary, artistic, political, or scientific value; and
(4) The material furnished to the minor, taken as a whole, is harmful to
minors in that it appeals to and incites prurient interest.
(c) Any person who violates this Code section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor
of a high and aggravated nature.

link:
http://www.ageofconsent.us/state-laws/georgia-age-of-consent-laws/

I messed up and posted the next the next section, 100.2. I though I had copied 100.1

Thanks for posting!

 

[blue22]

IF, and we don't know for sure yet, so IF Harris had sex with the 16 year old then the following also applies.

16-6-3.

(a) A person commits the offense of statutory
rape when he or she engages in sexual intercourse with any person under the age
of 16 years and not his or her spouse, provided that no conviction shall be had
for this offense on the unsupported testimony of the victim.
(b) Except as provided in subsection (c) of this Code section, a person convicted of the offense of
statutory rape shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more
than 20 years; provided, however, that if the person so convicted is 21 years
of age or older, such person shall be punished by imprisonment for not less
than ten nor more than 20 years; Any person convicted under this subsection of the offense of statutory rape shall, in addition, be subject to the sentencing and punishment provisions of Code Section 17-10-6.2.
(c) If the victim is at least 14 but less than 16 years of age and the person convicted of statutory rape is 18 years of age or younger and is no more than three years older than the victim, such person shall be guilty of a misdemeanor.

Link:
http://www.ageofconsent.us/state-laws/georgia-age-of-consent-laws/

"In addition to the charges he faces in connection with his son's death, Harris may also be charged with felony sexual exploitation of a minor and misdemeanor illegal contact with a minor, Stoddard said."

The bolded part is probably connected to C above.

ETA: Grrr...I'm sorry that didn't link, I can't figure why this isn't letting me paste a link. It's pulled from an article on CNN.

 

[TorisMom003]

And if LE really wanted to play hard ball with Harris, they could charge him with adultery which is also "on the books".

16-6-19.
A married person commits the offense of adultery
when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with a person other than his spouse
and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

Link:
http://www.ageofconsent.us/state-laws/georgia-age-of-consent-laws/

 

[momrids6]

http://www.newsradio1067.com/common/more.php?m=49&post_id=104

Long before his son was born, Ross Harris was known around the office as “Soccer Dad,” so intensely did he want a child. And after Cooper Harris arrived 22 months ago, his father wouldn’t shut up about him, to the point that one colleague says people tired of hearing about the baby...

The person [who worked with Harris in an Alabama police department] said Harris and his wife, Leanna, wanted children so much that Ross was called “Soccer Dad” around the department long before Cooper was born. He even showed up at Halloween in that persona.

And a friend from Home Depot testified Thursday that Harris spoke of Cooper almost incessantly, so often that people were tired of hearing about him.

I'd say plenty knew about his low sperm count: incessantly talking about being a "Dad"- in name only, imo. Then post Cooper, his incessant talk is to emphasize his ability to procreate, not because he truly loved Cooper, imo. All about his own image & bravado. Cooper was an object. He coveted an image created in his own mind that Cooper could not possibly live up to.

He seems to go from thing to thing, nothing making him "happy" or content for long. I think he mistakes "thrill" for happiness- and is always looking for the next one as the previous thrill wears off.

 

[Karmady]

I am also talking about this "evidence." If there is no medical proof he can't smell and they only have his word, no one is buying it. Hearing loss in one ear is a desperate and pathetic defense that will not work and be entirely laughable. JMO.

We don't know if there's any medical proof, but it sure sounds like there will be. Especially about the hearing loss. Desperate and pathetic are your opinions, to which you're certainly entitled, but they may not be shared by a jury in the event there is medical evidence of both those conditions -- especially if it's corroborated by other witnesses who only have their reputation to lose by confirming it on the witness stand. jmo

 

[Karmady]

And if LE really wanted to play hard ball with Harris, they could charge him with adultery which is also "on the books".

16-6-19.
A married person commits the offense of adultery
when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with a person other than his spouse
and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

Link:
http://www.ageofconsent.us/state-laws/georgia-age-of-consent-laws/

I don't think there's any evidence of actual adultery yet, though. Interesting, since they talked to the minor in person hook-up. If there was evidence of sexual contact, wouldn't they have charged him. If there was no such conduct, why not. Was the minor all "ewww"?

eta: it seems to me that they looked for the minor for the specific purpose of charging him and haven't yet. So it will be interesting to see how that pans out.

 

[blue22]

We don't know if there's any medical proof, but it sure sounds like there will be. Especially about the hearing loss. Desperate and pathetic are your opinions, to which you're certainly entitled, but they may not be shared by a jury in the event there is medical evidence of both those conditions -- especially if it's corroborated by other witnesses who only have their reputation to lose by confirming it on the witness stand. jmo

I seriously doubt there is likely to be medical evidence on smell. Now, there might be on hearing. How does loss of hearing in one ear effect the brain to forget his son, and he eyes to not see him?

And the jury is absolutely free to see a defense tactic and desperate and pathetic...even with medical evidence.

 

[Karmady]

I seriously doubt there is likely to be medical evidence on smell. Now, there might be on hearing. How does loss of hearing in one ear effect the brain to forget his son, and he eyes to not see him?

And the jury is absolutely free to see a defense tactic and desperate and pathetic...even with medical evidence.

I think that last sentence is a direct quote from me, so ITA

 

[SStarr33]

I am also talking about this "evidence." If there is no medical proof he can't smell and they only have his word, no one is buying it. Hearing loss in one ear is a desperate and pathetic defense that will not work and be entirely laughable. JMO.

It sounds like both of these sensory disorders were discussed with people well before Cooper died. Hopefully there are medical tests that can be used to prove he is or is not deficient in both of these areas.

 

[Roxye]

GRRR!! Would be argumentative if I said more. This guy boils my blood. His wife make my head swim!

What I will say, bless those that are fighting for this baby boy! He deserved better then he got!

 

[blue22]

I think that last sentence is a direct quote from me, so ITA

Huh, definitely not quoting you. ???

 

[TorisMom003]

I don't think there's any evidence of actual adultery yet, though. Interesting, since they talked to the minor in person hook-up. If there was evidence of sexual contact, wouldn't they have charged him. If there was no such conduct, why not. Was the minor all "ewww"?

eta: it seems to me that they looked for the minor for the specific purpose of charging him and haven't yet. So it will be interesting to see how that pans out.

There was talk in court by Stoddard that another of Harris' sexting partners was also interviewed. Then there was also the talk about an affair that Leanna knew about. All it takes it to have sworn testimony from the female partner about the sex between she and Harris and then they have what they need for the adultery.

By the way, adultery is also an easy and quick way for Leanna to divorce him.

MOO

 

[TorisMom003]

Again, hearing poorly and loss of smell does not cause a person to be unable to see a child's head sticking out of the top of his car seat when that "poor of smell and hearing" parent looks to their right when in the driver's seat of their car. Especially when the child's car seat is BESIDE their right arm!!!!

MOO

 

[blue22]

Is sexting and sharing pornographic images of genitalia not adultery in this world anymore? Sexual relations can be formed electronically, as well.

 

[Karmady]

Huh, definitely not quoting you. ???

Then we're having a major mind meld. The last sentence of your post is exactly what I "said," right down to the ellipses. Great minds and all that lol

 

[SCHMAE]

§ 16-12-100.1. Electronically furnishing obscene material to minors

(5) "Minor" means an unmarried person younger than 18 years of age.

link for above
http://www.ageofconsent.us/state-laws/georgia-age-of-consent-laws/

Is that weird ? Or is it just me? So if you got married at age 16 and then were molested by a stranger, would that stranger be charged with molesting a child or an adult? TorisMom, I'm not suggesting you know the answer. Just that is so weird to me, the marriage part. There are loads of strange laws around. I"m not sure the implications of this one . tks for sharing!

 

[LinasK]

I don't know what many years are, but I will tell you... If you get in a HOT car, OPEN the windows first, leave the doors open for a quick minute if you can. Then close the doors, start the car, start the AC, then close the windows. It makes a WORLD of difference in your comfort!

I completely agree- let the trapped heat out before turning on the AC- and I live in No. Ca, and it gets over 100 where I live too. And I've been in AZ in 120 degree heat also.