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Hank Sr. was employed at the time he had his accident. All the Croslin men were..
At this time I don't know where Hank Sr. is living but last I heard Lisa is still in jail...JMHO

They had a drywall business prior to Hank Sr. being in the accident. Did we ever find out for sure if Timmy was in the acccident with Hank? I thought that he was injured. Chelsea's story for that night was that Timmy had taken pain meds from injuries and she was working on insurance paperwork for the wreck.
 
I thought that Hank Sr. ran Joe off after he found out about the gun fight and that was why he couldn't stay ther?

I thought Jo had to leave Tommy's house and go stay with Hank Sr because of the gun fight and then he had to go stay with Timmy and Chelsea because Hank Sr was in the hospital..
 
Not concerned about a missing child hu? Ron and Misty were acting like Casey. Remember Casey kissing others while her daughter was "missing?" Ron and Misty were locking lips as well.

Casey gets hell for it (rightfully so) but Ron and Misty get a pass. It's absurd people are doing back bends for this statutory rapist, drug dealer and accused woman/child beater.

I don't get what one has to do with the other.

Casey did not report her child 'missing'. 31 days later, Casey's mother reported her missing, and IMO, judging from the 911 calls, it was against Casey's wishes.
Ron and Misty reported Haleigh missing.

Casey is the last known person to see Caylee.
Misty is the last known person to see Haleigh.

Casey has an imaginanny alibi.
Misty has an "I slept through the whole thing, 2 feet away." alibi.
Ron has an "I was at work" alibi, and like it or not, this alibi has been verified by LE, according to LE.

Casey kissing TonE while Caylee was 'missing' is not why she was arrested and is now facing the death penalty for Caylee's murder. Ron and Misty kissing, getting married, going on a honeymoon, etc. etc., while IMO distasteful, disgusting, etc. etc., is not any more illegal than Casey kissing TonE, and is not grounds for them to be arrested.
 
I don't get what one has to do with the other.

Casey did not report her child 'missing'. 31 days later, Casey's mother reported her missing, and IMO, judging from the 911 calls, it was against Casey's wishes.
Ron and Misty reported Haleigh missing.

Casey is the last known person to see Caylee.
Misty is the last known person to see Haleigh.

Casey has an imaginanny alibi.
Misty has an "I slept through the whole thing, 2 feet away." alibi.
Ron has an "I was at work" alibi, and like it or not, this alibi has been verified by LE, according to LE.

Casey kissing TonE while Caylee was 'missing' is not why she was arrested and is now facing the death penalty for Caylee's murder. Ron and Misty kissing, getting married, going on a honeymoon, etc. etc., while IMO distasteful, disgusting, etc. etc., is not any more illegal than Casey kissing TonE, and is not grounds for them to be arrested.

I'm in no way trying to speak for Levi by replying to your post but I do see the similarities, and the double-standard...

While Ronald & Misty did in fact report HaLeigh missing, LE has concluded that there were no signs of forced entry, contrary to Ronald's claim, and they do not believe that this is a case of a stranger/intruder entering the home and abducting HaLeigh. Unlike in Caylee's case, HaLeigh attended school and had already exceeded the acceptable number of absences, therefore Ronald had no choice but to report HaLeigh missing. He didn't have the luxury of waiting 31 days. He had to take a preemptive stance and report HaLeigh missing before DHS showed up at his doorstep asking questions about her whereabouts.

While we may not have pictures of Ronald & Misty partying it up at Fusion, they acted just as carefree and without regard for HaLeigh as Casey did regarding Caylee. A wedding, trip to New York, mudbogging, tattoos, using/selling drugs, etc. This conduct is no different - and no-less telling - than Casey Anthony's behavior following Caylee's disappearance. NO-LESS!

As far as imaginary alibis, Casey claims "Zanny the nanny" took Caylee; Ronald and Misty claim that an (unnamed) intruder broke in, propped open the back door and took HaLeigh - Names change but the stories the same IMO.

None of the above behavior, whether Casey A's or Ronald & Misty's, is grounds for an arrest, however it speaks volumes about their state-of-mind and their involvement IMO.
 
I don't get what one has to do with the other.

Casey did not report her child 'missing'. 31 days later, Casey's mother reported her missing, and IMO, judging from the 911 calls, it was against Casey's wishes.
Ron and Misty reported Haleigh missing.

Casey is the last known person to see Caylee.
Misty is the last known person to see Haleigh.

Casey has an imaginanny alibi.
Misty has an "I slept through the whole thing, 2 feet away." alibi.
Ron has an "I was at work" alibi, and like it or not, this alibi has been verified by LE, according to LE.

Casey kissing TonE while Caylee was 'missing' is not why she was arrested and is now facing the death penalty for Caylee's murder. Ron and Misty kissing, getting married, going on a honeymoon, etc. etc., while IMO distasteful, disgusting, etc. etc., is not any more illegal than Casey kissing TonE, and is not grounds for them to be arrested.

Ron and Misty had to report her missing because if she missed another day of school, the law would have come anyways. Also, she was expected to be at her mothers on Friday night, so there were different circumstances in the Caylee case, there was no father, no DCF showing up to show her how to properly hit her child, there was nothing like that.

And Ronald and Misty getting married after Haleigh went missing should not have been a priority for Ronald,but for some reason it was, and it really sets off warning signs for people who think his behavior is abnormal, and truly want to find out what happened to his daughter, because someone other than her mother and her family has to.
 
Regardless of what anyones theory is on what happened to HaLeigh and who's responsible, I can say with absolute certainty that if I truly believed that my grandchild was abducted from her home than I would also believe - no matter how slim the chances - that she could still be alive and out there, somewhere. Nothing & no one could or would stop me from appearing on any/every television/radio broadcast to get her face & name out there. I would have my vehicle customized with his/her's face and the telephone # to contact LE with any information and I'd be doing fundraisers, with an independent organization handling all of the funds, in order to increase the amount of the reward being offered. Every morning I woke/everyday would be consumed with doing SOMETHING (ANYTHING) to find my grandbaby IF I TRULY BELIEVED he/she was alive and my son or daughter wasn't involved in her demise. Clearly, by her very own actions (or inaction), TN knows (always knew) that HaLeigh isn't out there somewhere alive. JMO~
 
Regardless of what anyones theory is on what happened to HaLeigh and who's responsible, I can say with absolute certainty that if I truly believed that my grandchild was abducted from her home than I would also believe - no matter how slim the chances - that she could still be alive and out there, somewhere. Nothing & no one could or would stop me from appearing on any/every television/radio broadcast to get her face & name out there. I would have my vehicle customized with his/her's face and the telephone # to contact LE with any information and I'd be doing fundraisers, with an independent organization handling all of the funds, in order to increase the amount of the reward being offered. Every morning I woke/everyday would be consumed with doing SOMETHING (ANYTHING) to find my grandbaby IF I TRULY BELIEVED he/she was alive and my son or daughter wasn't involved in her demise. Clearly, by her very own actions (or inaction), TN knows (always knew) that HaLeigh isn't out there somewhere alive. JMO~

BBM.. IMO You are absolutely correct.. I first came to that realization when I watched his first plea video. I knew then both of them knew Haleigh was deceased. Her expressions proved to me her main concern was watching to see what the reactions of the reporters were going to be in reference to the story her son was telling them. Also, in that interview she stated to reporters "We want someone to see her and to find her"..She never mentioned her or anyone any her family would be looking for her..
IMO.. She has never put out any effort to search for or find her granddaughter..IMO ALL she has ever done is muddy the waters in order to deflect from what really happened to Haleigh that afternoon/evening in order to protect her beloved son...JMHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCpFbF2mBw
 
I'm in no way trying to speak for Levi by replying to your post but I do see the similarities, and the double-standard...

While Ronald & Misty did in fact report HaLeigh missing, LE has concluded that there were no signs of forced entry, contrary to Ronald's claim, and they do not believe that this is a case of a stranger/intruder entering the home and abducting HaLeigh. Unlike in Caylee's case, HaLeigh attended school and had already exceeded the acceptable number of absences, therefore Ronald had no choice but to report HaLeigh missing. He didn't have the luxury of waiting 31 days. He had to take a preemptive stance and report HaLeigh missing before DHS showed up at his doorstep asking questions about her whereabouts.

While we may not have pictures of Ronald & Misty partying it up at Fusion, they acted just as carefree and without regard for HaLeigh as Casey did regarding Caylee. A wedding, trip to New York, mudbogging, tattoos, using/selling drugs, etc. This conduct is no different - and no-less telling - than Casey Anthony's behavior following Caylee's disappearance. NO-LESS!

As far as imaginary alibis, Casey claims "Zanny the nanny" took Caylee; Ronald and Misty claim that an (unnamed) intruder broke in, propped open the back door and took HaLeigh - Names change but the stories the same IMO.

None of the above behavior, whether Casey A's or Ronald & Misty's, is grounds for an arrest, however it speaks volumes about their state-of-mind and their involvement IMO.

Ron and Misty had to report her missing because if she missed another day of school, the law would have come anyways. Also, she was expected to be at her mothers on Friday night, so there were different circumstances in the Caylee case, there was no father, no DCF showing up to show her how to properly hit her child, there was nothing like that.

And Ronald and Misty getting married after Haleigh went missing should not have been a priority for Ronald,but for some reason it was, and it really sets off warning signs for people who think his behavior is abnormal, and truly want to find out what happened to his daughter, because someone other than her mother and her family has to.

Still does not explain how a person kissing someone else after a child goes missing makes them a child killer.

Following Caylee's case as much as I have, it is my strong, strong belief the State of Florida has a lot more evidence to prove Casey's guilt at trial than she spent her time between Caylee's disappearance and her arrest (and even at that point she wasn't arrested for murder) partying and making out with her boyfriend.

In Haleigh's case, LE can believe all they want this was not a stranger abduction, but can they prove it? LE can find no signs of forced entry, but can they prove the door was locked and would require forced entry?

LE has changed this investigation to homicide. As far as I know, they haven't released what evidence, if any, they found that proves Haleigh is deceased. They could very well have determined this based on nothing pointing to her still being alive.

Kathy Stobaugh has been missing since Dec. 2004, IIRC. Pretty much everyone I know thought her husband killed her. Our question was, "What else could have happened to her?" Her husband was finally indicted, went to trial, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. Her body has still not been found. This conviction was gotten by prosecutors pretty much proving nothing else COULD have happened to her other than being killed by her husband.

IMO, they can't even go that route in Haleigh's case. It could have been Ron, though I don't believe he had the opportunity. It could have been Misty, Tommy, Joe, even TN or AS, and/or a combination of any or all of them, but again, where is any proof?

IMO, not liking someone, not liking their lifestyle, not liking that, also IMO, people who claim to care about a child seem to show little to no caring of that same child by their actions when IMO that child's disappearance should have brought them to their knees, is not enough to arrest them, it's not enough to charge them, it's not enough to convict them and send them to prison.

Casey was not charged because she went to Blockbuster with TonE, made out with him, got a tattoo, pretended to be a shot girl supervisor, participated in a hot body contest, and seemed to have not a care in the world. I'm guessing these things will come out in trial to add nails to her coffin, but if that was all the State had, Casey would not now be cooling her heels in a jail cell for the last almost 3 years.
 
Still does not explain how a person kissing someone else after a child goes missing makes them a child killer.

Following Caylee's case as much as I have, it is my strong, strong belief the State of Florida has a lot more evidence to prove Casey's guilt at trial than she spent her time between Caylee's disappearance and her arrest (and even at that point she wasn't arrested for murder) partying and making out with her boyfriend.

In Haleigh's case, LE can believe all they want this was not a stranger abduction, but can they prove it? LE can find no signs of forced entry, but can they prove the door was locked and would require forced entry?

LE has changed this investigation to homicide. As far as I know, they haven't released what evidence, if any, they found that proves Haleigh is deceased. They could very well have determined this based on nothing pointing to her still being alive.

Kathy Stobaugh has been missing since Dec. 2004, IIRC. Pretty much everyone I know thought her husband killed her. Our question was, "What else could have happened to her?" Her husband was finally indicted, went to trial, and was sentenced to 25 years in prison. Her body has still not been found. This conviction was gotten by prosecutors pretty much proving nothing else COULD have happened to her other than being killed by her husband.

IMO, they can't even go that route in Haleigh's case. It could have been Ron, though I don't believe he had the opportunity. It could have been Misty, Tommy, Joe, even TN or AS, and/or a combination of any or all of them, but again, where is any proof?

IMO, not liking someone, not liking their lifestyle, not liking that, also IMO, people who claim to care about a child seem to show little to no caring of that same child by their actions when IMO that child's disappearance should have brought them to their knees, is not enough to arrest them, it's not enough to charge them, it's not enough to convict them and send them to prison.

Casey was not charged because she went to Blockbuster with TonE, made out with him, got a tattoo, pretended to be a shot girl supervisor, participated in a hot body contest, and seemed to have not a care in the world. I'm guessing these things will come out in trial to add nails to her coffin, but if that was all the State had, Casey would not now be cooling her heels in a jail cell for the last almost 3 years.

Its not so much kissing that makes one a killer at all, no way. But never in my life have I heard of a missing child case where the daddy marries the person who lost his child, and then says I am with her to find out the truth, I mean did finding out the truth involved having sex with someone the cops say are lying about your child?

You may not believe that Ron had opportunity, but he really did.

This is not about people not liking Ron and his lifestyle, its about how he has acted, not everyone is thrilled about a man having sex with a child, trying to get someone to beat up his pregnant girlfriend, and I am so sick of hearing how he was a good dad, he was not, he abandoned his child with Amber, that does not make a good father. He is also a drug user and is in prison for selling drugs, and this was someone that sweet little girl was around.

Its sad, but its the truth. Ronald Cummings is a terrible person, and has not done one honorable thing since Haleigh went missing. Some of us read court papers and know how he lied to get his kids. There was nothing bad about Crystal except she hooked up with Ronald and became a literal punching bag.

What is there to like about Ronald? The 5 pics of him with his kids brushing his teeth and looking at a fish?
 
in that video, in the first minute he says
she is the most mild mannered child i ever 'HAD'
past tense,
starts right there






BBM.. IMO You are absolutely correct.. I first came to that realization when I watched his first plea video. I knew then both of them knew Haleigh was deceased. Her expressions proved to me her main concern was watching to see what the reactions of the reporters were going to be in reference to the story her son was telling them. Also, in that interview she stated to reporters "We want someone to see her and to find her"..She never mentioned her or anyone any her family would be looking for her..
IMO.. She has never put out any effort to search for or find her granddaughter..IMO ALL she has ever done is muddy the waters in order to deflect from what really happened to Haleigh that afternoon/evening in order to protect her beloved son...JMHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUCpFbF2mBw
 
in that video, in the first minute he says
she is the most mild mannered child i ever 'HAD'
past tense,
starts right there

BBM. Yes, I agree and right after that he stated "I would give my life to have my child's life back"..JMHO
 
I stand by Peter's Hyatt assessent. Ron had knowlege of what happened to his daughter. It shows in the very first interview. In a matter of hours, ron speaks of Haleigh in the past tense.

Almost all answers for this case being homegrown are contained in the 911 and the first interview with rc.
 
I thought Jo had to leave Tommy's house and go stay with Hank Sr because of the gun fight and then he had to go stay with Timmy and Chelsea because Hank Sr was in the hospital..

In one of Ron's talks with Cobra he was talking about how pizzzzzzzed Hank was and that Hank prior to his accident was tough. I'm thinking that Joe was staying with Hank Sr. Could be wrong but I'll have to go back through all of those endearing tapes to see,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh me.
 
I stand by Peter's Hyatt assessent. Ron had knowlege of what happened to his daughter. It shows in the very first interview. In a matter of hours, ron speaks of Haleigh in the past tense.

Almost all answers for this case being homegrown are contained in the 911 and the first interview with rc.

Something else I remember is Ron's feeling like he was definitely going to jail. Maybe he felt that he should go to jail because he is responsible for what happened to Haleigh, and rightfully so.
 
Something else I remember is Ron's feeling like he was definitely going to jail. Maybe he felt that he should go to jail because he is responsible for what happened to Haleigh, and rightfully so.

I have always thought that, LT>
 
Something else I remember is Ron's feeling like he was definitely going to jail. Maybe he felt that he should go to jail because he is responsible for what happened to Haleigh, and rightfully so.

IDK, but the "I'm definitely going to jail" line apparently was used before by Mr. Cummings as far back as 2005. I was looking through my files for something last night and re read this letter/response from Crystal regarding the Custody papers filed by Ronald.

Maybe he finally got his wish.
 

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In one of Ron's talks with Cobra he was talking about how pizzzzzzzed Hank was and that Hank prior to his accident was tough. I'm thinking that Joe was staying with Hank Sr. Could be wrong but I'll have to go back through all of those endearing tapes to see,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,oh me.

I was left w/impressoin that JO initially stayed w/tommy. When ron and he got into it, JO moved to hank & lisa's. Here's the tricky part..ron claims hank was pizzed at JO because JO stole ron's gun and kicked him out. JO then moved on to timmy and chelsea's.
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Since rc is a compulsive liar, imo, and him relaying this informationl, I have difficulty beleiving it.

JO says timmy and chelsea asked him to stay to help babysit. This sounds possible. However, Hank & lisa's place was empty since 2/7/09 when hank was injured and had surgery. This house was empty..can't see partying kids leaving a decent good empty house sit empty and not Parteee! I have to wonder if this is where wbg, nay and misty slept/partied.
 
IDK, but the "I'm definitely going to jail" line apparently was used before by Mr. Cummings as far back as 2005. I was looking through my files for something last night and re read this letter/response from Crystal regarding the Custody papers filed by Ronald.

Maybe he finally got his wish.

OH, Dear God, Papa, I can't believe this!! How in the world does this judge manage to still be employed. The people of Putnam need to get rid of the judge and magistrate who supported the atrocity of ron cummings and his *unusual* family to be near the children let alone give him custody.
 
....Still holding back tears. I have heard that Katrina was the one who watched the children. Now we have it in black and white. ..And now she has died and most of us know how she died. Is there a God? I have to wonder.
 
ron cummings was arrested for drug possession on October 5, 2005. It was in Sarasoto County.....eight weeks prior to the custody hearing. Can anyone believe that the magistrate did this? rc had just gone to court in March 2005 and was fined for drug possession. rc had a motion filed that if CS was a no-show, he gets the kids by default. I guess the M had to abide, don't know. Slick move on rc's part though....

Of course rc made sure she wasn't there, since he gave the wrong address for the hearing.
This should infuriate people. This child is now dead because no one but CS and family stood up and told. I am glad this is in writing for the world to see. I am so f#$#g p#$#d right now!!!

...................ON self-imposed Time Out~
 
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