George & Cindy's Response to "NO DEATH PENALTY" Decision

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ITA. And I'd like to add that LE didnt seem particularly interested in the potential evidence that the A's kept offering from the beginning. They note in the report that they didnt take the pants on the 16th because they had been laundered by CA..but they decided to take them 3 wks later. Were they somehow less laundered by that time? :waitasec:

We actually don't know that. The latter two detectives indicate that they found out about the pants on Aug 4th. What we don't know is that Yuri could have possiby been treating the Anthony's as grieving grandparents from July 16th/17th and been trying to get them voluntarily from that date. Yuri's mistake in July would have been to assume that the Anthony's were the normal grieving and cooperative grandparents. I'm sure he figured out in time this was not correct.
 
Actually, if you read the pertinent documents, the hairbrush was acquired under court order, and it was misrepresented as Caylee's hairbrush. It is labelled Caylee's brush, not a shared one, or one belonging to another person. The As, in this case, hinder the identification of Caylee, while LE searches for her body.

Meanwhile, the washing of the pants is just as likely an attempt to get rid of evidence that might have aided in the search for Caylee's body. They may have had her DNA, stuff from the environment like dirt or garbage that may have given some clue to her whereabouts.

So, yes, both of these acts by the As are suspicious and could hinder/delay the investigation into recovery or identification of Caylee's body. The hairbrush incident, where Cindy defiantly lied through omission, certainly makes their job more difficult. Saying that, well, Cindy did give them Caylee's hair is beside the point. At the very least, the As have shown themselves to be unco-operative liars and most thinking people would ask themselves why.

And while we're splitting hairs, you in turn ASSUME that the As did not know anything by the time of the stolen gas cans. People infer many things from behaviour, IMO, and inferring that the As' behaviour is kinda suspicious and that they may have known something/are hiding something I don't think is a gigantic leap in the dark. It may not be true in the end, but it is a fair inference.

My guess is that given their behaviour over these past months that the As might be accessories after the fact.

IIRC The warrant is dated after they handed over the brush, toothbrush etc. And even though the warrant stated they they were able to collect anything that could contain body fluids or dna, they didnt (as far as the warrant reads) because the brushes had already been handed over voluntarily on the 21st july.
Warrant is dated 5th august (in part-lol).
 
The search warrants specifically named some objects, one of which was her hairbrush. And just for your info the FBI was the ones she tried to ho doo and she may pay a huge price for that one.

ok, to get things straight heres a snip from the warrant.....

On july 21st i met with .......(GA & CA)
..........On this day we also asked for and collected several toothbrushes, a hairbrush, a comb, and an oral thermometer used by caylee. This was done in case DNA may be needed at a future date.
Also on july 21st i obtained and executed a search warrant for epithelial and hair standards from the defendant. the search warrant was executed that evening at the orange county branch jail.....


The warrant regarding hair was for KC at the jail.
 
IIRC The warrant is dated after they handed over the brush, toothbrush etc. And even though the warrant stated they they were able to collect anything that could contain body fluids or dna, they didnt (as far as the warrant reads) because the brushes had already been handed over voluntarily on the 21st july.
Warrant is dated 5th august (in part-lol).

Yuri found out about the pants in July. It's not hard for me to fathom that he had been calling and asking the A's for the pants from that day. IMO, I don't trust the A's and would not have given them till August. But it seems' to me that Yuri and Allen gave the A's every opportunity to behave in the role of grieving and cooperative grandparents they claimed to be. They failed and finally LE took action. Thus LE claims that the Anthony's have not been forthcoming. LE giving the A's the opportunity to behave as they should, should not be confused for LE not doing their job.
 
We actually don't know that. The latter two detectives indicate that they found out about the pants on Aug 4th. What we don't know is that Yuri could have possiby been treating the Anthony's as grieving grandparents from July 16th/17th and been trying to get them voluntarily from that date. Yuri's mistake in July would have been to assume that the Anthony's were the normal grieving and cooperative grandparents. I'm sure he figured out in time this was not correct.

Well i'm taking it from their report!!! Yuri writes that the reason they did not take the pants on the 16th is because they had been laundered.
It stuck in my head because i didnt think they knew about the pants till later.


eta: page 2286 of the docs says that yuri called GA to ask for approval to take items from the house, and George completed a ' statement affidavit allowing us to "search and provide an(sic) evidence to help bring back my granddaughter - Caylee" the anthonys also handed over a compaq laptop computer which though owned by them, was primarily used by KC.detactive Beasley also recovered several miscellaneous items including her cloth -bodied baby doll (unclothed) and dora the explorer backpack, a childs toothbrush, a dinnerware knife and a blk leather bag containing various papers. ........detective beasley relayed to me that cynthia had washed a pair of pants found in the car as well as the defendants clothing recovered by LA from AL's house. I did not have detective beasley collect any clothing since it had been laundered. while on the phone with george for the above request, i asked if he would be able to show us where he had thrown the trash out. George said he'd be willing to show someone where this was......'
Then later in the report -page 2302 of docs.....

' On august 4th, cpl Eric E and detective M hussey conducted a second audio recorded interview with cynthia. While discussing the recovery of theAnthonys white car cynthia said she had removed items from the car prior to LE being contacted. Cynthia explained that she had removed a pair of grey dress slacks from the back seat area of the car. the slack were reportedly on the rear floor board of the vehicle and were with a pair of boots and a pair of shoes that reportedly belonged to Casey. According to cynthia she removed the pants and washed them due to the fact that they smelled like the car. Cynthia reported that she had put the washed clothing in caseys bedroom"
 
Well i'm taking it from their report!!! Yuri writes that the reason they did not take the pants on the 16th is because they had been laundered.
It stuck in my head because i didnt think they knew about the pants till later.

And Yuri's remarks in the last doc dump indicate that he had been trying to retrieve the pants for awhile. Cindy was NOT cooperative. How long is unclear other than Yuri's indication that his phone calls were unanswered and messages were not returned by Cindy. Hmmmm, yep, I think Yuri is a bit more credible than Cindy.
 
I dont quite understand how their statement is making things worse. If you mean it pizzes people off, yeah, but I really dont think they care about that. They care about finding caylee.
How does the statement make matters worse? How does it hinder the case, or the ability to find Caylee?

It does not hinder the case to find Caylee, because Caylee is DEAD.

It does hinder KC being able to get out of jail before she is 90 though. If she had told that it was an accident in the beginning and that she freaked out, this would have been over by now and she would have been out of jail in 3-5 years.

Now because the Anthony's have gone along and built up all the stories and her insane rantings about a nanny who doesn't exist the ONLY question is whether KC will get LIFE without parole or with possibility of parole..........

Which means does she spend her entire life in a woman's prison or does she get out in 35 or 40 years. Either way GA & CA will never see her out of jail again in their lifetimes.

If they had told her TELL THE TRUTH - we won't go along with ANY lies and if they had told the truth themselves and not tried to cover up they would have seen their daughter out of jail - But NO........they did it their way.

Their way got them the lotto...........bang !!

KC is out of their hair forever they don't have to spend the money to bury Caylee, because they can keep collecting money to hunt her and they might even get a "get out of jail free" card after January when KC leaves for state prison.
 
No way would I abandon all hope under the same circumstances.

Unless I had solid evidence otherwise, I would hold onto the hope that maybe they would be in my arms again one day, and that I could make it all better for them. Because they deserve that.

What Caylee deserves is a Christian burial and not stuck in some godforsaken hole in the ground where no one knows. It is not going to get any better for Caylee and I will bet it gets really bad soon for GA & CA. I expect to see at least one of them and maybe all three of them tried for lying to the FBI.
 
Well i'm taking it from their report!!! Yuri writes that the reason they did not take the pants on the 16th is because they had been laundered.
It stuck in my head because i didnt think they knew about the pants till later.
eta: page 2286 of the docs says that yuri called GA to ask for approval to take items from the house, and George completed a ' statement affidavit allowing us to "search and provide an(sic) evidence to help bring back my granddaughter - Caylee" the anthonys also handed over a compaq laptop computer which though owned by them, was primarily used by KC.detactive Beasley also recovered several miscellaneous items including her cloth -bodied baby doll (unclothed) and dora the explorer backpack, a childs toothbrush, a dinnerware knife and a blk leather bag containing various papers. ........detective beasley relayed to me that cynthia had washed a pair of pants found in the car as well as the defendants clothing recovered by LA from AL's house. I did not have detective beasley collect any clothing since it had been laundered. while on the phone with george for the above request, i asked if he would be able to show us where he had thrown the trash out. George said he'd be willing to show someone where this was......'

Yes, Yuri found out about the pants on the 16th. How do we know what date that Yuri found the pants relevant and asked for them? As far as we know it was a day or week later and Cindy avoided him. Most grieving grandparents wanting the truth would have handed them over asap. The A's didn't. Once again. I'm going with Yuri's credibility is better than Cindy's.
 
It does not hinder the case to find Caylee, because Caylee is DEAD.

It does hinder KC being able to get out of jail before she is 90 though. If she had told that it was an accident in the beginning and that she freaked out, this would have been over by now and she would have been out of jail in 3-5 years.

Now because the Anthony's have gone along and built up all the stories and her insane rantings about a nanny who doesn't exist the ONLY question is whether KC will get LIFE without parole or with possibility of parole..........

Which means does she spend her entire life in a woman's prison or does she get out in 35 or 40 years. Either way GA & CA will never see her out of jail again in their lifetimes.

If they had told her TELL THE TRUTH - we won't go along with ANY lies and if they had told the truth themselves and not tried to cover up they would have seen their daughter out of jail - But NO........they did it their way.

Their way got them the lotto...........bang !!

KC is out of their hair forever they don't have to spend the money to bury Caylee, because they can keep collecting money to hunt her and they might even get a "get out of jail free" card after January when KC leaves for state prison.

I hate KC just as much as most people on WS do but if she did indeed kill Caylee accidentally wouldn't it be fair for her to be punished based on that? Yes, she's a fantastic liar and she will be punished for that also but if she was lying to save her butt from being arrested that is not the same thing as premeditating her daughter's death. I would really like to focus more on the choloroform issue b/c this is what premeditation is based on. If CA or GA are the ones who cleaned the back of that trunk then this means that KC was not searching for chloroform to kill Caylee with and Caylee was possibly killed accidentally. LP has long said that Caylee's death was an accident. Now the evil way the KC has behaved after her daughter's death is beyond monstrous. The fact that she refuses to tell where Caylee's body is buried is evil but there really is not a criminal charge for being uncaring. The question remains was Caylee's death premeditated or an accident?
 
Talk about obstruction... I recall the first interview with GVS when Cindy was asked point blank if KC had any psychological problems and Cindy said absolutely not. Then Cindy said KC and Caylee had just gone away together for "bonding time". Is that not a huge set of lies????

Oh yeah, and then Cindy told GVS if she asked any more pointed questions she would keel over or something like that.

That's what got me hooked on this case. It was the craziest most off-putting interview of a grieving person ever. Grrrrr.

That Greta interview is what hooked me also, jenny. I couldn't believe how Cindy was acting. I'd never seen a relative of a missing child act like that before, when given a chance to be on a nationwide TV show to put out the info on said missing child.:rolleyes:
 
One other thing about the beginning of this case for us, (ie. Cindy's day one), is:

when CA went to TL's to get KC, why on earth, knowing she hadn't seen her grandaughter for 31 days, would she just grab KC and then leave? If CA was truly concerned, and truly had no idea where Caylee was, she would have checked out that apartment of TonE's thoroughly!...but no, she just left. CA knew something, right from "Day One". :furious:
 
It does not hinder the case to find Caylee, because Caylee is DEAD.

It does hinder KC being able to get out of jail before she is 90 though. If she had told that it was an accident in the beginning and that she freaked out, this would have been over by now and she would have been out of jail in 3-5 years.

If they had told her TELL THE TRUTH - we won't go along with ANY lies and if they had told the truth themselves and not tried to cover up they would have seen their daughter out of jail - But NO........they did it their way.

Most respectfully snipped...

Hi Turbo! The only thing is, why didn't she admit it was an accident? Because it wasn't an accident and she KNOWS that Caylee's body would reveal that. She did not admit it was an accident because she murdered her daughter, perhaps by an ACCIDENTAL overdose, but murdered nonetheless...and I think she has told her family the truth and they too know that they cannot cry accident because an accident that involved administering a lethal dose of ANY drug is still going to get her life...
 
One other thing about the beginning of this case for us, (ie. Cindy's day one), is:

when CA went to TL's to get KC, why on earth, knowing she hadn't seen her grandaughter for 31 days, would she just grab KC and then leave? If CA was truly concerned, and truly had no idea where Caylee was, she would have checked out that apartment of TonE's thoroughly!...but no, she just left. CA knew something, right from "Day One". :furious:

Yeah, she didn't ask TonE or his roomate where Caylee was. In fact, she didn't give them any indication why she was there at all.
 
And Yuri's remarks in the last doc dump indicate that he had been trying to retrieve the pants for awhile. Cindy was NOT cooperative. How long is unclear other than Yuri's indication that his phone calls were unanswered and messages were not returned by Cindy. Hmmmm, yep, I think Yuri is a bit more credible than Cindy.

I'm taking it directly from the documents recently released.
I edited my last post to add the direct quotes from the report. back on page 13, last post.
 
Go back to that last page of the search warrant. Yuri says Cindy freely gave information to help establish a time line.

Right CW, but the information given freely by CA was all lies! :rolleyes: So what good did CA really do?
 
I hate KC just as much as most people on WS do but if she did indeed kill Caylee accidentally wouldn't it be fair for her to be punished based on that? Yes, she's a fantastic liar and she will be punished for that also but if she was lying to save her butt from being arrested that is not the same thing as premeditating her daughter's death. I would really like to focus more on the choloroform issue b/c this is what premeditation is based on. If CA or GA are the ones who cleaned the back of that trunk then this means that KC was not searching for chloroform to kill Caylee with and Caylee was possibly killed accidentally. LP has long said that Caylee's death was an accident. Now the evil way the KC has behaved after her daughter's death is beyond monstrous. The fact that she refuses to tell where Caylee's body is buried is evil but there really is not a criminal charge for being uncaring. The question remains was Caylee's death premeditated or an accident?

I don't believe for a minute it was an accident, I was just saying that she could have told that LIE instead of the zanny lie and already been out of this and getting her time served.

My point was her parents have placed her in her position now by perpetuating the lie, she is going to spend most likely the rest of her life in jail.

Remember on the 911 call there was NOTHING said about a nanny UNTIL CA said "WHO TOOK HER?' KC keyed in on that and from there made up her story in my opinion. She was caught and as usual her mother gave her a way out.

CA tells what she wants KC to say by asking questions - that is the way she queues her to make up her next story. Listen to their interactions. You will hear it.
 
Yes, Yuri found out about the pants on the 16th. How do we know what date that Yuri found the pants relevant and asked for them? As far as we know it was a day or week later and Cindy avoided him. Most grieving grandparents wanting the truth would have handed them over asap. The A's didn't. Once again. I'm going with Yuri's credibility is better than Cindy's.

Thats my point actually. That yuri took the pants when he saw that they could have some relevance, and the delay was not from CA holding them back, since she told the detctive about them on the 16th.
 
Right CW, but the information given freely by CA was all lies! :rolleyes: So what good did CA really do?

Not to mention LE states many times that GA & CA never comply with things they agree to provide.
 
Thats my point actually. That yuri took the pants when he saw that they could have some relevance, and the delay was not from CA holding them back, since she told the detctive about them on the 16th.

She was supposed to bring them and other things to him but she never would, so he had to get a warrant for them.
 

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