I saw the same thing. The jury is instructed not to take punishment into account and will not be aware of this unless they knew on their own for some obscure reason.Do you know if the jury is made aware of that? People hear "manslaughter" and might think of choosing it as a "compromise" verdict. Finding out the penalty is worse might make them reconsider.
IMO
could you elaborate on the bolded part of your opinion?
thanks
From what amounts to a blog. No sources that he made any "desperate attempts", nor that the charges were lessened because they were not applicable and/or hard to prosecute.
"Alleging" is also the key word in the second paragraph. There is no factual evidence that he ever committed domestic violence. Not even any arrests.
Heartbreaking wasn't it? :seeya:I agree with you now that I've seen her testify, actually![]()
This is one of the reasons I hate people. In reality, this verdict only affects GZ and GZ's and TM's families. IMO, this verdict should be about the facts of the case, which has been played out in the public arena, and not any extraneous issues. I swear I don't recognize my country anymore. Where did all this hatred come from?[/quote]
BBM - Washington DC - some politicians, some consultants, and plenty of lawyers stirring it up for whatever reason, usually personal gain. Does that help ?
I agree with you though.
BBMYes, I have in my other posts as well...The Judge was in order when informing GZ of his rights and West was out of order interrupting and argueing with the Judge who was doing her designated duty / job in informing GZ of his right to testify or not..she gave him time to declare his intention to the court, this for the second time..and yet West became combative and tried to talk over her et al. In our State, he would have been charged with contempt of court as he was out of order...you could even see O'Mara's irritation with West. IMO
Is the training being marketed there, or is it possibly a clearinghouse for information regarding the training because they feel their gym may now have a bad reputation they need to recover from, and/or receive tons of requests for this information (from the media, etc) so they created a streamlined process?
Has it occurred to anyone that TM might have been doing what GZ was doing, checking out some suspicious guy that was walking around in the dark, in the rain, following him, watching him and checking out the area? Do we know for sure that GZ didn't try to make sure TM didn't leave by reaching out to keep him there? We know at some point TM hit him, but do we really know what prompted him to throw that punch? No we don't. I am not saying that GZ or TM are right or wrong, but if GZ had let a real cop do his job, TM wouldn't be dead. That is the bottom line. GZ put himself in a position that lead to him having to defend himself. And did he have to use lethal force to do that? Why didn't he just tell TM why he was following him and that LE was on the way? I get the whole "he was fearful for his life" and he defended himself, but it didn't have to go down this way.
This is one of the reasons I hate people. In reality, this verdict only affects GZ and GZ's and TM's families. IMO, this verdict should be about the facts of the case, which has been played out in the public arena, and not any extraneous issues. I swear I don't recognize my country anymore. Where did all this hatred come from?
This is one of the reasons I hate people. In reality, this verdict only affects GZ and GZ's and TM's families. IMO, this verdict should be about the facts of the case, which has been played out in the public arena, and not any extraneous issues. I swear I don't recognize my country anymore. Where did all this hatred come from?[/quote]
BBM - Washington DC - some politicians, some consultants, and plenty of lawyers stirring it up for whatever reason, usually personal gain. Does that help ?
I agree with you though.
Yes I know, the question was rhetorical, but not really....but this isn't the place for my political rants.:scared:
could you elaborate on the bolded part of your opinion?
thanks
The Gym Website stuff wasn't available until after GZ's trainer testified. This might come in.
Seems like the trainer and the self-defense guy are going to make a lot of $ testifying for GZ. Promoting their websites and businesses in a murder trial isn't right. JMO
BBM, She did not because he was not. He was trying to object and she was not listening to the objection and just over ruling him. continually.
GZ does not have to decide until his case is over has he stated and she continued to ask him for a time limit on when he would know.. THAT IS NOT PROPER PROCEDURE.
There is no mistrial because there is no grounds for mistrial based on that interaction. You may want one because you are annoyed but that does not make it the law.
Was he at his truck then when police arrived?
He did not have to be. He was already out of his truck and walking when dispatch suggested he did not need to follow any longer. He was still in that area of his truck on the walkway.