George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #13 Thursday July 11

[Love Never Fails]

Beating? His injuries were considered "not-significant". GZ was able to function, go to work the following day and school in the evening. Hardly a beating...IMO

Not significant by an ME who can't even remember Trayvons autopsy. He was a joke. IMO.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

One very honest question:
I know that all law abiding, mentally sound adults have a right to carry a concealed weapon, in Florida but I must ask...
What is the motivation...why do people feel the need to arm themselves with a CONCEALED weapon (to the grocery store, to the car wash, to the dog park, to the whatever)....What the heck do they fear so much that they need to carry a weapon everywhere except the bar, court rooms, police departments, banks, etc?

I ask WHY?

Just for personal safety imo.

 

[magnolia]

We have to agree to disagree. TM was no child. I wish the truth of RJ was known. IMO, and only my opinion, I speculate she egged TM on. She feels guilty, did not call to find out why she hadn't heard fom him, did not attend funeral because of said guilt, and did not tell the truth on the stand.

OMO.

BBM--Yep, my thoughts as well. IMO

 

[DIBSY]

A better question, imo, is why GZ still has blood on his bald head, which was definitely exposed to the rain, but TM's hands (which were under his body) were somehow washed sparkling clean in the drizzle.

Yeah and the tiny trickle of blood is running toward his face.....so he had to be on top. IMO

 

[JeannaT]

Not significant by an ME who can't even remember Trayvons autopsy. He was a joke. IMO.

I think the person who called them "insignificant" was the woman hired by the State who didn't examine GZ, but still had that to offer.

IMHO

 

[Mahouston69]

What are you basing that on?

My concealed carry class and at the advice of friends and family that are LE

 

[danzn16]

George is left handed, he claims he pulled his gun out with his right, that there was no safety or was already off and shot, literally with Trayvon on top of him...so the gun probably not in his dominant hand and right in front of his face kicked back. This is physics.

I believe they were both screaming which makes witnesses on both sides right.
Fighting for the gun, and trying to both call for help thinking the other is trying to kill them. I didn't say George methodically planned to murder him, I'm saying shooting Trayvon wasn't justified.

I am a small woman and I can shoot a gun with my non dominant hand and not allow the recoil to hit me in the face. He is a man and stronger than me. I just don't think that scenario is accurate at all and it's not a possibility IMO.


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[JeannaT]

Yeah and the tiny trickle of blood is running toward his face.....so he had to be on top. IMO

Do you realize GZ had been standing for several minutes (probably more like 30) when those photos were taken?

IMHO

 

[DIBSY]

The state was trying to put this same argument before the jury via an instruction. The judge did not allow it. MOO.

Yup, that Judge is sure against the defense.....when the moon is blue. IMO

 

[JeannaT]

Yup, that Judge is sure against the defense.....when the moon is blue. IMO

What do you think of her interactions with West?

IMHO

 

[logicalgirl]

I think that if GZ didn't have a weapon there's a good chance that he would have been the one who was killed. MOO.

How? There was no evidence in what can easily be called a mild scrap that TM intended to kill GZ. He had no reason to do that. According to most people TM was the stronger person - all he needed to do was hold GZ down until he quit squirming around and banging his head on the cement.

I still want to know how TM's body was found on the grass with his hands folded under himself. And why GZ didn't check to see if he was dead or alive and if he needed medical assistance. After all it was he was the one with the gun.
IMO

 

[cityslick]

Did the medical examiners find George Zimmerman's blood on Martin's knuckles?

No but the evidence does but TM in a position of control during the fight. And GZ did sustain injuries to the head.

 

[EquallyDivided]

Ahhh but GZ said that after his nose was bloodied that TM held his hand over it. IMO

If you are lying on your back with someone's hand over your mouth, which direction does the blood flow?

Down your throat.

IMO

 

[cinsbythesea]

The Judge hasn't yet ruled....To me, it's absolutely unforgivable that GZ was originally allowed to keep walking free after what he did to a 17 year old boy. And that the public had to make the DA feel ashamed to even get any attempt at seeking justice. What's cruel to me is the brutal unjustified killing of a child, child in the eyes of the law. IMO

That 17-year-old child started this whole ball in motion when he attacked GZ. There were no charges filed because it was felt to have been a self-defense case. It was only when immense political pressure was put on the DA's office that they succumbed and changed self-defense to murder 2. You call it a brutal unjustified killing of a child - how many times was GZ supposed to allow said child to smash his head into concrete? If said "child" ultimately killed GZ due to blunt trauma from the head smashing, would you be just as sympathetic to GZ's family and to his memory? Because it certainly could have ended up that way. I do want to say I'm sorry for ALL involved in this very sad case - it's lose-lose all the way around. But having grown up with a younger brother that was always looking to hurt someone from an early age, sometimes the term "child" is just a relative term. I would bet the people on the receiving end of my "child" brother's beatings felt he was as far away from a "child" as one could possibly be. We live in California where people are not armed, but I can't imagine if my brother had lived in Florida that he wouldn't have met the same fate as TM. Please understand that I'm not condoning what GZ did by any means but I don't think TM is blameless in this very sad situation.

 

[missmazzy]

You mean they haven't? IMO

No, and they probably won't. If GZ is found guilty of something, I won't agree, I won't like it, I'll ***** and moan, but I will go on with my life. Speaking only for myself, I would never destroy property or create a disturbance based on *anyone's* conviction. There is no excuse for anyone who does. IMO and all that jazz.

 

[Maryann123]

A better question, imo, is why GZ still has blood on his bald head, which was definitely exposed to the rain, but TM's hands (which were under his body) were somehow washed sparkling clean in the drizzle.

GZ had a heartbeat which caused him to continue to bleed. GZ was on his back while he was having his face punched. The blood from his nose was running down his throat. Only when he stood up, did the blood run down his face. You don't see any blood running to the left or right of his nose, so none made it to the surface until he stood up. How would TM get blood on his hands if his nose wasn't bleeding out while he was on his back? The back of GZ's head bled down, and to both sides. That tells me he was in a struggle while on his back. After standing, it ran straight down. A neighbor made those pictures of GZ's head and face before the cops arrived, which was less than 2 minutes from the encounter. The evidence fits GZ's account of what happened that night, and regardless of how they try to spin it, GZ is innocent.

 

[krimekat]

there are several things that went wrong. maybe if TM had not been suspended from school and sent to live with his father this would have never happened.

JMO

Suspended 3 times MSM reports.

 

[logicalgirl]

He was beaten. What you feel about his injuries is irrelevant. Not part of the case.

He had injuries from being in a fight. I can only imagine if someone you loved came home with the same injuries at the hands of another you may feel differently.

His own doctor testified they were insignificant. I watched and listened to every word.
IMO

 

[qwerty2013]

Testimony said rain had washed off DNA and no one bagged his hands.

Can you provide a link that an expert testified that that had indeed happened, or was it a conjecture, i.e. something that *could* happen?

 

[EGirl]

Beating? His injuries were considered "not-significant". GZ was able to function, go to work the following day and school in the evening. Hardly a beating...IMO

How long was he supposed to allow TM to punch him until he defended himself? Until he was unconscious?