George Zimmerman /Trayvon Martin General Discussion #13 Thursday July 11

[Maryann123]

One small quarter inch cut on his left index finger....One.

IMO

Actually, I belive there were 2 cuts, and very small ones at that. However, teeth would make a cut on your hand, and the cuts would be very small. I never indicated TM's cuts were knife size. The cuts were consistent with teeth marks.

 

[qwerty2013]

No but the evidence does but TM in a position of control during the fight. And GZ did sustain injuries to the head.

First, it was too dark to tell with absolute certainty, one witness said GZ was on top, another TM. Besides being on top does not imply that he was attacking the person below, especially when there's NO DNA on TM's hands or sleeves. GZ had injuries but there's *no evidence* that they were inflicted by TM, IMO.

The narrative should fit the evidence, not the other way round. IMO.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

His own doctor testified they were insignificant. I watched and listened to every word.
IMO

He has a busted nose.

What doctor said that?

 

[angell]

I've been carrying a weapon for over 30 years. It's not fear, it's the culture I was raised in, and legally I CAN.
If you are stopped by traffic LE, and they ask you WHY your have a weapon, the answer is "Because I can."
In the culture I was raised in, it's as common as making sure you have your cell phone when you leave your house. IMO.
You look at a weapon and feel "fear".
I look at a weapon and feel "safety".
IMO.

:goodpost:

Hear, hear!

 

[DIBSY]

Had to turn HLN off since they're replaying West's false statement that Rao said GZ head was positively hit on the cement three times ..when what she REALLY said was that it was " possible" after saying that to her, it looked like one time. How does he get away with such rot?!?!?! IMO Only a prejudiced Jury would let him get away with all that deceit / misinformation.. IMO

 

[Foxfire]

Just curious, if TM was in fear for his life or being stalked by GZ. Why didn't he dial 911?

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I hope the reason MOM wasn't there this AM was because he is getting this bias judge off the bench. She is a disgrace to justice.

IMO

 

[qwerty2013]

None of this will matter once the jury gets instructions....not gonna matter if a hoodie was up or down, who was following not following, who had skittles or gun, who said what, who had blood or no blood, who had pot in system or not, how many times 911 was called in past or not, who used racial slurs or not....all that will matter (according to the law in FL) is if GZ felt his life was in danger when TM was on top of him slamming his head into the concrete. This is not murder 2...not manslaugher...and now they are scrambling for lessor charges. So unless they find some lesser offense that exists in FL...this will be NOT GUILTY.
MOO

Pray show us the link that describes evidence that TM was slamming GZ's head into the concrete?

IMO

 

[Nezumi]

We have to agree to disagree. TM was no child. I wish the truth of RJ was known. IMO, and only my opinion, I speculate she egged TM on. She feels guilty, did not call to find out why she hadn't heard fom him, did not attend funeral because of said guilt, and did not tell the truth on the stand.

OMO.

Just as an aside, this was one of the most shocking parts of her testimony for me. I can not conceive of any circumstance that would prevent me from immediately checking up on a friend (or an acquaintance, for that matter) who I believed to have been in a physical altercation with someone. Their phone would be ringing off the hook and if they didn't answer, I'd be on the other line to the police.

 

[Sonya610]

This entire "event" happened because GZ made an assumption about TM - that TM was a and was there to commit a crime.

Well since it looks like TM decided to attack GZ then I guess GZ was right!

TM was in fact about to commit a crime! Physical assault is in fact a crime.

And furthermore this entire thing happened simply because TM decided to launch that attack.

IMO.

 

[PaintingAnemone]

Actually there is in the call that RJ relayed to the court.
He was at home, He is now breathing heavy, And then he sees GZ not the other way around.. HE walks up and says something to GZ and punches him in the face as per GZ who has the injuries to prove it.

I am not buying his story but it fits more with what the states witnesses brought forth than the states on theory.. or theories.. It seems to keep changing.

TM confronted GZ, He beat him and when GZ had no other choice, After screaming for help, He shot TM to save his life and person. All within the rights of the law.

Yes, let's talk about how he saw GZ. In the testimony, it was said that TM says, "Oh, *****, he's back." That doesn't sound like someone circling around or jumping out of bushes, or whatever other nonsense GZ claims happened. That sounds like someone who thinks he's lost the guy that was following him, only to discover that he has not. You have no evidence that TM "walked up," or that he started the altercation with a punch in the face. That is conjecture on your part, based on the story of the killer. For all we know, GZ is the one who did the walking up. TM simply asks why he is being followed (which I would want to know as well, if I were in his shoes), and GZ doesn't even bother to answer, instead making abrupt demands. Who's to say that GZ didn't grab the boy, and get socked in the face by a teen trying to get away? All while saying, "get off, get off?"

All we really know is GZ was following him, a fight ensued, and GZ ended up shooting an unarmed kid. Whether GZ was trying to save his life is his own story, which you seem to believe. But starting a fight, then killing someone when it doesn't go your own way is not within the rights of the law, and is absolutely a possibility, imo.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think the person who called them "insignificant" was the woman hired by the State who didn't examine GZ, but still had that to offer.

IMHO

Oh, I stand corrected. I thought for sure it was the ME. Thank you.

 

[sickofitAll]

Had to turn HLN off since they're replaying West's false statement that Rao said GZ head was positively hit on the cement three times ..when what she REALLY said was that it was " possible" after saying that to her, it looked like one time. How does he get away with such rot?!?!?! IMO Only a prejudiced Jury would let him get away with all that deceit / misinformation.. IMO

I don't think you should comment on the jury until they come back with a verdict...imo

 

[gxm]

None of this will matter once the jury gets instructions....not gonna matter if a hoodie was up or down, who was following not following, who had skittles or gun, who said what, who had blood or no blood, who had pot in system or not, how many times 911 was called in past or not, who used racial slurs or not....all that will matter (according to the law in FL) is if GZ felt his life was in danger when TM was on top of him slamming his head into the concrete. This is not murder 2...not manslaugher...and now they are scrambling for lessor charges. So unless they find some lesser offense that exists in FL...this will be NOT GUILTY.
MOO

I hope you are right but I am very worried about a "compromise" verdict. JMO. OMO. MOO.

 

[?noanswer]

No understanding why this is even being mentioned. It had nothing to do with this event.

Unless you also think GZ's somewhat violent background and his gym training significant. IMO

The last suspension might have something to do with it. Had he not been sent to his father's girlfriend's house, he might not have been walking around in the rain outside.

JMO

 

[cityslick]

<modsnip> That's a rhetorical question, because we all know there isn't any. But that's exactly the point - I think too many people here have bought GZ's story hook, line, and sinker. Imo, when a killer is trying to defend himself, of course he's going to say "so-and-so started it." Since the only person that could present another side of that is dead, we'll never really know.

The burden is on the state to prove his story wrong. They haven't and that bothers people. Some (not saying you) are only interested in frying someone because someone else died, not the truth. The two are not always one and the same.

 

[Horace Finklestein]

Trayvon did NOT have cuts to his hands. Please refer to the autopsy report. He had a small "abrasion" (testified to in court to NOT being a cut) to his left non-dominate hand.

I do not believe Trayvon beat GZ, never have. Trayvon's injuries do not show him beating anyone. JMO

How do you suppose GZ sustained his injuries? ME testified TM's hands wouldn't be bruised because there was no blood pressure imo.

 

[DIBSY]

How? There was no evidence in what can easily be called a mild scrap that TM intended to kill GZ. He had no reason to do that. According to most people TM was the stronger person - all he needed to do was hold GZ down until he quit squirming around and banging his head on the cement.

I still want to know how TM's body was found on the grass with his hands folded under himself. And why GZ didn't check to see if he was dead or alive and if he needed medical assistance. After all it was he was the one with the gun.
IMO

Bravo !! Very obvious GZ wanted TM dead....goes to child abuse to not try and get him treatment...Plus he let it be known that he thought TM was still alive. Just sick.IMO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Yes, it will be considered. I had always thought it was on the table to begin with, since 2nd degree was never a solitary charge (they can consider anything up to and including that). Imo, that's probably why the used such a heavy charge in the first place.

It's illegal to charge something you have no good faith to believe.

If they could not present evidence to prove 2nd degree and knew it, it was illegal to charge it.

imo

 

[krimekat]

As you have pointed out many times, according to RJ's testimony Trayvon was at his father's home and then went back to where GZ was. If he had just gone inside, this incident would have never happen. MOO.

Thanks for BBM above! I remember her testifying to this fact. This tragic event could have been avoided many times.

IMHO