Horace Finklestein
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More absence of any kind of evidence of GZ being an aggressive racist/wannabe cop/vigilante. Still waiting for it...
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Thank you. I gave up on trying to describe the grass sounds.
This is true; however, it would always be documented that the person refused medical care. Especially if it were serious, like a bone protruding.
That tells me that the extent of George's injuries were made up and not that serious.
Thank you for being honest. It seriously helps these sorts of discussions.
What you have just done is applied "fear for your life" as a reasonable individual.
Your statement (not trying to get personal with this; several others have made this claim) was:
On the other hand, so George's actions that caused Trayvon to fear for his life and allegedly punch him to get away from a creepy guy following him with unknown intentions have no bearing???
If you do not feel Martin was justified in killing Zimmerman, how does that reconcile with him allegedly being in peril of death?
Going off of that, if he was not in fear to the extent that deadly force is admissible, he has a duty to retreat under Florida law.
These are the facts as we know them.
Certainly, this changes if Zimmerman tried to "apprehend" Martin, or if Zimmerman elicited some sort of physical threat that prevented Martin from retreating. However, there is not any evidence that this occurred. In this scenario, Martin would have had the duty to retreat before using self-defense. Which we know he had plenty of time to do - over 2 minutes according to the 911 call.
When hubby gets up from his nap, I'll get him to take his cell outside. We'll figure this one out. And yes, it's raining.
My 24, 23, 21, 16 and 13 year olds did not learn cursive in school, they were taught by me, using the same templates I used in 3rd grade
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If I had just killed a kid and was claiming the kid attacked me and injured me, and that I feared for my life/serious bodily injury he was beating me so badly, I'd get the most complete medical documentation available.
They now have a resident of the town homes on the witness stand. The incident was just outside her back door which was open. She has made mention of hearing sounds on the sidewalk & also sounds on the grass. Sooo,Rachel was not the only one to hear grass sounds. I'm thinking the sounds were "squishey" since the grass was wet.
I'm not sure "squishey" is a word but it's the best I could come up with.
You are required to use a proportional amount of force. Getting punched does not equate to a threat on your life. Getting your head repeatedly slammed into the sidewalk might.
The point again, this murder could have been avoided. George should never have been given a gun.
To me, the whole case hinges on one fact. The police told GZ to stop following TM. He disobeyed. After that, everything that followed was his fault. I don't care what anyone else says about self-defense. He put himself in that position, HE was on the offensive. JMO.
I think GZ couldn't live with the fact he was beat up by a teen. He wanted to be the hero like the stucco guys.
To me, the whole case hinges on one fact. The police told GZ to stop following TM. He disobeyed. After that, everything that followed was his fault. I don't care what anyone else says about self-defense. He put himself in that position, HE was on the offensive. JMO.
Every law abiding citizen in this country who can pass the background check and registration requirements of his/her state or municipality has the absolute right to have a gun.
He went to work the next day? Call me crazy, but if I killed someone last night, I'd be out of my mind, completely incapacitated, today. IMO.