George's testimony at trial

[Just Jayla]

IMO, Baez is going to broach that line of questioning with him later. George is subject to recall, as we've all seen.

And oddly enough, as nasty as the A's were to Yuri Melich, he can be of great assistance to them on this. He got to know the dynamic in that family well and has been very compassionate towards them even when they might as well have spit in his face.
He can testify, with much credibility, that the young lady he met in KC is quite capable of stooping so low as to lie about molestation. The same girl that told him "You'll never break me."

ETA-If the defense would not object to Yuri's take on her as prejudicial, Lord knows they'll try like they did today...

 

[Dr.Fessel]

After hearing today's testimony from George on the gas cans I went back and read the deposition from Aug 2009 and think I have a pretty good feeling for what was going on in both days of questioning.

The state showed George a picture of his gas can with a large piece of duct tape on it, and it was put on sloppy. This rattled George to his core. Here was LE showing him evidence he knew they fabricated and trying to get him to identify it as real evidence. Being ex-LE this threw up many red flags and he was trying to figure out what the heck was going on, were they some how trying to frame him or get him to identify false evidence against his daughter.

Next they tell him well look here we have blown up picture of it, a closer view does that help. Poor George is thinking now they are trying to get me to agree to two fake pieces of evidence. The fact that this shook George up so bad that he stumbled around on the next questions is really in his favor because it showed he did not know what they were up to.

He probably came to the logical conclusion that they had someone got Casey's fingerprints or found Casey fingerprints on a roll of duct tape and put it on that can for some reason.

I believe the State was simply trying to get George to say that is not the tape I put on there because it does not have the writing on it like the duct tape does that I had. They were trying to get him to admit to the ownership of the rare duct tape found on Caylee's mouth. That is why they had the blown up version of it too so he could see there was no writing on it.

I am sure by now George knows what is going on and he admits if there was tape on there and it was a neat little square of duct tape then he put it on.

Jose does not realize what was going on and why George got so upset with the State and wanted to distance himself so far from those gas cans during the deposition after being showed what he thought was fabricated evidence. That is why George's answers messed up Jose so bad today.

 

[crucibelle]

Let's think Drew Peterson...a cop. Has Stacey yet been found? THAT'S how an LEO hides a body....not down the street from their house or in the trunk of their own car, where the body is statistically likely to be.

That's how an intelligent LEO hides a body. George isn't very bright, IMO. That said, I cannot see George dumping Caylee's body in a swamp. And I'm not certain he was the one that dumped her body, anyhow.

 

[Just Jayla]

That's how an intelligent LEO hides a body. George isn't very bright, IMO. That said, I cannot see George dumping Caylee's body in a swamp. And I'm not certain he was the one that dumped her body, anyhow.

Even JB was not clear on that...somehow the body went from GA, to KC's car, to RoyK :waitasec:

 

[crucibelle]

After hearing today's testimony from George on the gas cans I went back and read the deposition from Aug 2009 and think I have a pretty good feeling for what was going on in both days of questioning.

The state showed George a picture of his gas can with a large piece of duct tape on it, and it was put on sloppy. This rattled George to his core. Here was LE showing him evidence he knew they fabricated and trying to get him to identify it as real evidence. Being ex-LE this threw up many red flags and he was trying to figure out what the heck was going on, were they some how trying to frame him or get him to identify false evidence against his daughter.

Next they tell him well look here we have blown up picture of it, a closer view does that help. Poor George is thinking now they are trying to get me to agree to two fake pieces of evidence. The fact that this shook George up so bad that he stumbled around on the next questions is really in his favor because it showed he did not know what they were up to.

He probably came to the logical conclusion that they had someone got Casey's fingerprints or found Casey fingerprints on a roll of duct tape and put it on that can for some reason.

I believe the State was simply trying to get George to say that is not the tape I put on there because it does not have the writing on it like the duct tape does that I had. They were trying to get him to admit to the ownership of the rare duct tape found on Caylee's mouth. That is why they had the blown up version of it too so he could see there was no writing on it.

I am sure by now George knows what is going on and he admits if there was tape on there and it was a neat little square of duct tape then he put it on.

Jose does not realize what was going on and why George got so upset with the State and wanted to distance himself so far from those gas cans during the deposition after being showed what he thought was fabricated evidence. That is why George's answers messed up Jose so bad today.

So, do you think LE might have fabricated evidence.. like, put that large piece of duct tape on the gas can? Just curious about what you think.

 

[crucibelle]

Even JB was not clear on that...somehow the body went from GA, to KC's car, to RoyK :waitasec:

I know.. that one had me scratching my head, too. lol

 

[Just Jayla]

After hearing today's testimony from George on the gas cans I went back and read the deposition from Aug 2009 and think I have a pretty good feeling for what was going on in both days of questioning.

The state showed George a picture of his gas can with a large piece of duct tape on it, and it was put on sloppy. This rattled George to his core. Here was LE showing him evidence he knew they fabricated and trying to get him to identify it as real evidence. Being ex-LE this threw up many red flags and he was trying to figure out what the heck was going on, were they some how trying to frame him or get him to identify false evidence against his daughter.

Next they tell him well look here we have blown up picture of it, a closer view does that help. Poor George is thinking now they are trying to get me to agree to two fake pieces of evidence. The fact that this shook George up so bad that he stumbled around on the next questions is really in his favor because it showed he did not know what they were up to.

He probably came to the logical conclusion that they had someone got Casey's fingerprints or found Casey fingerprints on a roll of duct tape and put it on that can for some reason.

I believe the State was simply trying to get George to say that is not the tape I put on there because it does not have the writing on it like the duct tape does that I had. They were trying to get him to admit to the ownership of the rare duct tape found on Caylee's mouth. That is why they had the blown up version of it too so he could see there was no writing on it.

I am sure by now George knows what is going on and he admits if there was tape on there and it was a neat little square of duct tape then he put it on.

Jose does not realize what was going on and why George got so upset with the State and wanted to distance himself so far from those gas cans during the deposition after being showed what he thought was fabricated evidence. That is why George's answers messed up Jose so bad today.

(On GA's part) Oh, what a tangled web we weave...

 

[Just Jayla]

I gotta go nigh-nigh, but thought I'd link this for ya'll; GA without pretense, his guard down. I'm gonna let it be my bedtime story for tonight:

http://www.wftv.com/video/17934383/index.html?rss=orlc&psp=mostpopularvideos

 

[Dr.Fessel]

So, do you think LE might have fabricated evidence.. like, put that large piece of duct tape on the gas can? Just curious about what you think.

Absolutely they fabricated it but it was not evidence it was simply a picture of a gas can with a large piece of tape on it. It was a completely legal ploy to try to get George to say his duct tape had writing on and that was not his duct tape.

Those two pictures will never be entered into evidence unless it is to show what the state was up to in the trick.

We saw the real evidence picture today that was taken when LE took the cans.

 

[OneLostGrl]

If GA wrapped the tape around Caylee's head would he be so ignorant as to use the same tape to hang posters?

Well people think his daughter was that ignorant.. he's not much brighter then her really.

pg 159 on- he IS being inconsistent about those gas cans and he gives the SA about as much BS about trying to trick him as he did to JoseB today. whyyyy is this this the only thing he is being cagey about still? Why did the SA not remember this huge thing from the depos and let him testify to something totally different today? I'm really not trying to be difficult I'm just confused about this whole gas can thing.. it's the only thing outta that entire depo that got him really upset and today, it's the only thing that got him really upset. He wasn't even this upset when JoseB accused him of molesting Casey!
http://www.examiner.com/crime-in-national/casey-anthony-case-read-transcript-of-george-anthony-s-prosecution-deposition-august-5

 

[crucibelle]

MOO, but I think JB is alienating the jury with his "silly" cross examinations and idiotic questions that have no purpose what so ever? It is not my intention to be mean, its just how it looks to me. If I were on the jury he would have lost all credibility by now.

ITA.. that whole line of questioning her friends about whether she had any guns, knives, or did she torture Caylee, etc... also his almost constant objections -- very annoying.

 

[OneLostGrl]

So, do you think LE might have fabricated evidence.. like, put that large piece of duct tape on the gas can? Just curious about what you think.

It's the same tape. nobody fabricated anything.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

It's the same tape. nobody fabricated anything.

The picture George was shown in the Deposition was not the picture we saw today in court. The picture George was shown in the depo was fabricated.

 

[OneLostGrl]

The picture George was shown in the Deposition was not the picture we saw today in court. The picture George was shown in the depo was fabricated.

Really?! wow I didnt know that- how do we know this? I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk here, I am very confused lol. and just want to understand it. Thank you for being so patient with me.

 

[crucibelle]

On Wednesday Baez states to GA, "So Caylee didn't drown in the pool."

GA replied, "That's correct." GA's body language -
he closed his eyes (much longer than a blink) and frowned tightening his lower lip almost as if he was drawing into himself or blocking out what he just said.

After watching this ten times I'm not reassured that he's telling the truth. Why? Because how would he know if Caylee drowned or not?
If he knows for certain Caylee didn't drown then how did she die? The normal response, I would think, would be 'I don't know how Caylee died.'
Maybe adding that he's still hoping that KC will tell the truth. :waitasec:

I noticed that, too and it set my hinky meter off. Something I find very odd -- go watch the jail tape where Cindy tells ICA that there is a theory in the media that Caylee drowned in the pool. ICA says "surprise, surprise".... watch George's face when she says that or shortly after. How does that strike you?

 

[crucibelle]

The picture George was shown in the Deposition was not the picture we saw today in court. The picture George was shown in the depo was fabricated.

Thank you for the info, Dr. Fessel... this is veeery interesting, IMO.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I would be a blathering idiot if I were in a courtroom being "crossly" examined, no make that "grilled" by JB. When JB goes on the attack he reminds me of something evil and dangerous that needs to be restrained. I get very uncomfortable watching and listening to JB when he is trying to elicit the only response he wants to hear. I have not been a fan of the A's but I feel that GA was sacrificed to save ICA, and I can't imagine that GA made a deal with the devil and DT about sexually abusing ICA. It just crosses the line to use that. JB is badgering GA, and will continue to attack him without mercy. GA was not present, Caylee Marie did not die in an accident, she was murdered by ICA. The DT can disregard ethics but will to plead for mercy for ICA when it comes to sentencing.

But he's not badgering him on this issue, he has changed his story.. I can't fault JoseB for calling him out on his lie.. the SA would do the same I hope.

 

[MsFacetious]

I agree with Dr Fessell's big post up there and I was getting ready to explain all that... thanks for doing it for me!

So, do you think LE might have fabricated evidence.. like, put that large piece of duct tape on the gas can? Just curious about what you think.

I don't know that LE set out to fabricate evidence. My thought about the two pieces of duct tape was actually that they might have been trying to be considerate.

I would HOPE they would have removed the duct tape that WAS on the can to take it into evidence.

Maybe they were just nice enough to replace it with a new piece of duct tape (which happened to be bigger and a different brand.) So that it didn't smell after they removed the piece of duct tape that was on there.

Then again... I was probably just giving people too much credit. :innocent:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Really?! wow I didnt know that- how do we know this? I'm honestly not trying to be a jerk here, I am very confused lol. and just want to understand it. Thank you for being so patient with me.

I know you are not and let me try to explain.

Today we saw Jose use a picture of a gas can, it was an evidence picture and according to the State they are going to enter it into evidence so it was their picture and they told the judge when the time came they were entering it into evidence. This means it is in the evidence the state gave to Jose in discovery since he had it.

Now Jose is starts trying to question George about the gas cans and thinks he has a gotcha since George denied in the deposition that he put the tape on that gas can.

George says hey when they showed me the picture at the deposition it was not the tape I put on, it was too long and put on sloppy and it was taken after they had fingerprinted and had ink all over the can. The picture you are showing me now is not the picture from the deposition. This picture of the gas can you are showing me was taken in my shed or garage with all the evidence tags and measures on it when LE collected it from me.

Now the State is not going to use those two fake pictures they made up and showed George trying to get him to admit to ownership of the duct tape with the printing on it. Jose does not have those pictures because they are not evidence.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

When they took that deposition from George it was like any other time they questioned him. They can use any trickery or lies they want to so they can get to the truth.