Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #3

[mrjitty]

We are discussing the MO link or lack there of between DM and HeB.

The blacked-out swimming googles was a consistent element between HeB’s statement regarding the elderly British woman and DM. I have no argument here.

It is precisely the absence of a unique link between DM and HaB that is my point.

The crimes occurred a year apart. Yes, they were both recorded but frankly, so what. This does not mean CB committed the offence against HaB.

Right.

It's an element he could not have invented, which helped lead the court to conclude he must be telling the truth about the video

 

[Davieson]

Right.

It's an element he could not have invented, which helped lead the court to conclude he must be telling the truth about the video

Am I correct in thinking that the goggles only featured on one viewed video ?

 

[Dave55]

More words do not make a good argument. Most of these points lack objectivity.

For example: “Illegal home invasion”. Either a person will be raped in their home or not. This is not part of a specific MO. Additionally, we know that one of the rapes CB has been charged with was committed in his home. It’s a point that really carries no weight.

Further, “Terrorising the woman”. Surely an element of terror is consistent across almost every rape?

And, “Subjecting both women to sexual invasion of the worst and most degrading kind; the younger one raped repeatedly and tortured over a period of appx four hours, the older one for appx a third of that timescale”. This is highly subjective. Of course the rapes are bad but are they the worst and most degrading - no, unfortunately other women go through worse. To make matters worse, the poster then goes on to point out a significant difference between the offences -time.

I understand that people are outraged by gender based violence and that rape is an abhorrent crime. However, we were discussing how specific acts from one crime to another matched to prove both crimes were committed by the same person. In this regard, the post you mention only shows what is normal in most rapes and on a few occasions points out inconsistencies between the crimes.

I stand by my point that the only thing connecting these crimes is that in both cases, the perpetrator filmed the act.

Does this mean it was the same offender? IMO, no.

I'm sure I remember CBs lawyer..FF..say that if CB is found not guilty in the HB case it would mean he was not guilty in the DM case as the rapes are so similar

 

[Hygge]

I think only the elder lady on the video was wearing the goggles. DMs eyes were tied.

 

[Dave55]

Yes, this is another significant difference. DM was only very briefly raped as the perp could not maintain an erection. Based on her examination, it was questioned whether or not she was raped.

Perhaps he used viagra in the HB

 

[C.greek]

Perhaps he used viagra in the HB

I think the duration is not very relevant as we enter the realms of his perversity. Ie. We don't know whether DM appeared more frightened or not to him, and what turned him on or off. What is important is that the perpetrator had a similar rape kit with him in both cases. Jmo

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I'm sure I remember CBs lawyer..FF..say that if CB is found not guilty in the HB case it would mean he was not guilty in the DM case as the rapes are so similar

Kind of. What FF said was that the BKA were convinced that the same offender committed both crimes. HaB stated that her attacker had a distinctive cross-shaped mark on his right thigh. Therefore, if CB had no such mark, he is not guilty of the HaB crime and the DM case should be reopened.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

I think the duration is not very relevant as we enter the realms of his perversity. Ie. We don't know whether DM appeared more frightened or not to him, and what turned him on or off. What is important is that the perpetrator had a similar rape kit with him in both cases. Jmo

This doesn’t really make sense. His perversity and what turns him on is part of his MO and should therefore have some consistency across both crimes.

What you state as a rape kit is essentially tools required by a rapist to break in and psychologically condition someone so that an attack can occur without other people being alerted.

In stranger rapes, I feel fairly sure a knife is a common weapon.

 

[Denis R Tandib]

Perhaps he used viagra in the HB

Perhaps he had a shot of Navy Rum. It doesn’t matter, the attacks were quite different.

 

[Anxala]

There is a metal object, knife, video recorder. This is consistent but there are strong inconsistencies - the physical rape itself is very different as you point out above, the victims are very different, the duration of the attack, lying in wait vs breaking and entering, Portuguese speaker vs English with German accent - the entire description of the offenders is different etc.

^ Was that in DM's testimony, that her attacker was a Portuguese speaker/Portuguese? I didn't know that.

 

[Anxala]

There is also a difference in the intensity of the rapes.
According to prosecution statements, HaB was raped 3 times, including anally and orally over a period of several hours, whereas with DM there was no mention of such and the attack was relatively short.

As an aside, what would have been the approximate duration of a recording tape 20 years ago ?

It would depend upon what type of video camera/tape was used.

 

[RichardKimble]

Kind of. What FF said was that the BKA were convinced that the same offender committed both crimes. HaB stated that her attacker had a distinctive cross-shaped mark on his right thigh. Therefore, if CB had no such mark, he is not guilty of the HaB crime and the DM case should be reopened.

HaB said in court that it also could be a mark in the tights her attacker wore, so the mark was never confirmed to be on the attackers thigh, pity it's not known if this was ever cleared up with CB having no mark or had a procedure to remove a mark.

 

[Mex]

We are discussing the MO link or lack there of between DM and HeB.

The blacked-out swimming googles was a consistent element between HeB’s statement regarding the elderly British woman and DM. I have no argument here.

It is precisely the absence of a unique link between DM and HaB that is my point.

The crimes occurred a year apart. Yes, they were both recorded but frankly, so what. This does not mean CB committed the offence against HaB.

The court will decide if there is enough evidence to determine CB's guilt or innocence of the vicious assault suffered by HB. And that is the best anyone can hope for.
My opinion

 

[Dave55]

Kind of. What FF said was that the BKA were convinced that the same offender committed both crimes. HaB stated that her attacker had a distinctive cross-shaped mark on his right thigh. Therefore, if CB had no such mark, he is not guilty of the HaB crime and the DM case should be reopened.

Yes that's correct..
So FF feels the same person committed both crimes.

 

[Davieson]

I think only the elder lady on the video was wearing the goggles. DMs eyes were tied.

If neither DM nor Hab were forced to wear the goggles, I fail to see the relevance of them appearing in a video that didn't show either of those victims

 

[Mex]

There is also a difference in the intensity of the rapes.
According to prosecution statements, HaB was raped 3 times, including anally and orally over a period of several hours, whereas with DM there was no mention of such and the attack was relatively short.

As an aside, what would have been the approximate duration of a recording tape 20 years ago ?

There is every likelihood that had DM been subjected to the same attack in duration and severity as that inflicted on HB that she would not have survived it.
I don't think a "snuff movie" was the intention of the assailant.
My opinion

 

[Mex]

^ Was that in DM's testimony, that her attacker was a Portuguese speaker/Portuguese? I didn't know that.

She described his command of Portuguese as "poor".

 

[C.greek]

This doesn’t really make sense. His perversity and what turns him on is part of his MO and should therefore have some consistency across both crimes.

What you state as a rape kit is essentially tools required by a rapist to break in and psychologically condition someone so that an attack can occur without other people being alerted.

In stranger rapes, I feel fairly sure a knife is a common weapon.

Of course it makes sense. A pervert sadistic rapist doesn't need to be turned on/off by everything. And I really do not want to get into details of this. It makes me sick. The rape kit included a backpack with metal rod/pole, quite a lot of rope, material/cloth as a gag, wore a full face mask, knife with 30cm long blade, video camera, whip. I would definitely call this a rape kit.

 

[Davieson]

Of course it makes sense. A pervert sadistic rapist doesn't need to be turned on/off by everything. And I really do not want to get into details of this. It makes me sick. The rape kit included a backpack with metal rod/pole, quite a lot of rope, material/cloth as a gag, wore a full face mask, knife with 30cm long blade, video camera, whip. I would definitely call this a rape kit.

Is this not what any well-equipped rapist might carry ?
What connects it to CB

 

[misty48]

Is this not what any well-equipped rapist might carry ?
What connects it to CB

It's a small detail but:-
The perp on Salema beach had a backpack.
The perp at the Praia da Gale100,000 burglary was seen with a backpack.
HaB'a assailant had a backpack.
Maybe the backpack was distinctive.