Germany/Portugal - Christian Brueckner, 27 @ time of 1st crime (2004), charged with sexual assault crimes, Praia de Rocha, Portugal. #5

[Davieson]

It's questioning the evidence that we understand that has been presented, there's a large difference.For instance the Welt said the girl and mother didn't give evidence in court but yet were on tv, maybe the reluctance can be understood, but justice doesn't work in a tv studio.

There seem to have been a number of TV links to the court.

 

[frank-cole]

It isnt about defending CB. It is about wanting facts which frankly we do not seem to have had many in this trial.

Judging by what the psychiatric expert said, it seems like we aren’t privy to all the facts. He talked about CB’s writings that were in ‘the file’ & that he didn’t want to repeat them because they were “creepy”. I’m not well versed on their system, but judging by what the expert said, it does appear there are things the public aren’t aware of. And rightly so. We may be interested but don’t have the right to know it all.

I think the Germans could possibly announce their concrete evidence in summary post MM charge. If it’s very incriminating I think we’ll all be on the same page before the trial begins. If it happens I think it will certainly confirm who isn’t responsible.

 

[Davieson]

We can only discuss information put before the court that we are privy to. Anything else is pointless speculation.

 

[UK Girl]

Judging by what the psychiatric expert said, it seems like we aren’t privy to all the facts. He talked about CB’s writings that were in ‘the file’ & that he didn’t want to repeat them because they were “creepy”. I’m not well versed on their system, but judging by what the expert said, it does appear there are things the public aren’t aware of. And rightly so. We may be interested but don’t have the right to know it all.

I think the Germans could possibly announce their concrete evidence in summary post MM charge. If it’s very incriminating I think we’ll all be on the same page before the trial begins. If it happens I think it will certainly confirm who isn’t responsible.

tbh we did know about those files or some of us did at least.

 

[Davieson]

tbh we did know about those files or some of us did at least.

Well we know what was reported, which would be selected highlights without proper context.
No newspaper is running a serialisation.

 

[frank-cole]

Well we know what was reported, which would be selected highlights without proper context.

Correct but that doesn’t mean there isn’t any. Because the expert said he’d read the files - relating to the writings. So to your point, the writings are something we know about.

 

[frank-cole]

He’s bang to rights on this imo crouched with his trousers around his ankles.
I know the times I’ve been caught short whilst drinking usually on a car journey where you really are desperate you’ve it all to do to unzip your flies, let alone drop your trousers , can’t say I know anyone who drops their trousers to pee. Plus the GROUND WAS BONE DRY ! witnessed by numerous people and an off duty police officer immediately on the scene.

The BKA are trying to clear up the mess the original PJ missed where CB has only convictions for diesel theft and traffic offences that imo speaks volumes and why he felt comfortable in the Algarve .Anybody who thinks that’s seriously all he’s been upto really needs to give their head a wobble.

IMO the root to many of these is the incompetence of the LEA who failed to investigate properly in the first place. The German’s probably wouldn’t need to be cleaning this up now if it was better handled back then.

Same goes for the 28 incidences of a man going into girls bedrooms along the Algarve in the few years running up to 07. If they ever identify who that was, it’ll be a harder job prosecuting today.

 

[Davieson]

No point in blaming the Portuguese police, the Germans chose to take this and other cases to trial, no one else.

 

[frank-cole]

No point in blaming the Portuguese police, the Germans chose to take this and other cases to trial, no one else.

This one! You’ve inadvertently made my point for me. I’ll trivialise to take the CB out of it. 2 firefighters & a fire, the first - doesn’t make an effort to put out the fire but the second tries. Their boss is hostile & scrutinises the second because they made the effort but not in a way that satisfied him. The same boss wants to pay no attention to the first who did not make the effort. That boss would soon be in front of a tribunal answering for the misconduct, favouritism & whatever else of the book they could throw at him. Always worth trying to put out the fire.

I’m often bemused by the rationale but this one was way out of left field.

 

[Mex]

LOL - try living in the inner city. On football days men pee everywhere, including in the courtyards, carparks, parks - they really do not think twice. I don't have a comment on this case, with my remark - but rather I have seen it all by now.

I confess to bemusement that apparently there is no notion of zero tolerance for a known paedophile lurking in a play area where children are are at play with his trousers round his ankles.

 

[Davieson]

This one! You’ve inadvertently made my point for me. I’ll trivialise to take the CB out of it. 2 firefighters & a fire, the first - doesn’t make an effort to put out the fire but the second tries. Their boss is hostile & scrutinises the second because they made the effort but not in a way that satisfied him. The same boss wants to pay no attention to the first who did not make the effort. That boss would soon be in front of a tribunal answering for the misconduct, favouritism & whatever else of the book they could throw at him. Always worth trying to put out the fire.

I’m often bemused by the rationale but this one was way out of left field.

Who's the boss?
Your comparison is nonsense because your 2 firemen are working for the same organisation at the same time, which hardly describes the current situation.
The Germans had no need to involve themselves, they chose to do so and I don't hear them criticsing them Portuguese colleagues

 

[Mex]

One can't believe everything seen on TV. Did he testify to that effect in court, do you know ?

Actually he did testify in court. I cannot find the link but there is one because I have read it.

 

[frank-cole]

Who's the boss?
Your comparison is nonsense because your 2 firemen are working for the same organisation at the same time, which hardly describes the current situation.
The Germans had no need to involve themselves, they chose to do so and I don't hear them criticsing them Portuguese colleagues

I trivialised because I was purposely taking the CB out of it. You often scrutinise the Germans for whatever new or old reason that comes up. A lot of it is unfounded but the length of the trial & some of the comments in the build up have incensed me.

That’s partly why I’m befuddled with why you’ve taken issue when I scrutinise the PJ. Because after all, we’re talking about CB & these crimes. CB lived in Portugal, the crimes happened in Portugal, the PJ ran the area & the PJ were initially involved in investigating the very same crimes. They’re also now involved in the case against CB. Think of the DM case for reference.

You can’t have it both ways I’m afraid.

 

[UK Girl]

I trivialised because I was purposely taking the CB out of it. You often scrutinise the Germans for whatever new or old reason that comes up. A lot of it is unfounded but the length of the trial & some of the comments in the build up have incensed me.

That’s partly why I’m befuddled with why you’ve taken issue when I scrutinise the PJ. Because after all, we’re talking about CB & these crimes. CB lived in Portugal, the crimes happened in Portugal, the PJ ran the area & the PJ were initially involved in investigating the very same crimes. They’re also now involved in the case against CB. Think of the DM case for reference.

You can’t have it both ways I’m afraid.

tbh maybe the Pj didnt go ahead simply because there was not enough evidence or the witnesses were not seen to be reliable which seems to be the situation now

 

[Davieson]

I trivialised because I was purposely taking the CB out of it. You often scrutinise the Germans for whatever new or old reason that comes up. A lot of it is unfounded but the length of the trial & some of the comments in the build up have incensed me.

That’s partly why I’m befuddled with why you’ve taken issue when I scrutinise the PJ. Because after all, we’re talking about CB & these crimes. CB lived in Portugal, the crimes happened in Portugal, the PJ ran the area & the PJ were initially involved in investigating the very same crimes. They’re also now involved in the case against CB. Think of the DM case for reference.

You can’t have it both ways I’m afraid.

I didn't realise we were playing tit for tat. Rather childish in my opinion.
I don't think the Portuguese are still involved except perhaps as facilitators for Portuguese witnesses
No, this is mostly a German show and it doesn't seem to be going too well for them at present.