Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 3 murders, July 2023 #8

[Vern]

You are assuming John Ray has not already shared this information with LE.

Wild assumption.

LE has the ability to fact check these claims.

It is very unlikely that there are not cameras all over the public streets of that house covering all entrances and egresses. They had Rex under surveillance for a long time, and no warrant is needed to watch him from public areas. Daily mail would blush.

If only to make it impossible for LE to say to Ray truthfully, "Then why didn't you come to us?" Ray went to them. But if you are right about that, LE has access to fact check what you think they heard in the media.

LE did not share that information. My belief is that John Ray fears LE is deliberately and damagingly ignoring a lead.

I asked for substance, not style. You are right that he name called, was dramatic.

But that does not mean substantively, it is not true that there is a witness with the information that Rex Heuermann brought sex workers into his basement while AE was upstairs.

This does not contradict that she is a victim, and you are reinforcing, by focusing on his style, the narrative that the information could potentially mean this.

I also meant, aside from this information (not style), when has his information been wrong.

Did he get unhelpful depositions? Did he unhelpfully find a way to confirm crucial parts of Mari Gilbert's narrative about Peter by obtaining contemporaneous records of Jersey city LE? Did he not play a role in clarifying who called whom when and preserving phone records? Did he not play a role in getting the truth of the 911 call out, and confirming that certain LE representations of the contents were untrue?

I get it. It's ugly to use some of the words he used. That is why I don't repeat them.

But in the past, he has been accurate. In the present, on his current interview tour, there is no evidence that he has been inaccurate. Ugly is not inaccurate. It's only ugly.

There is also the former escort witness vetted by several news agencies who reported Rex Heuermann pressured her to go to his home. The unnamed witness speaking to John Ray could be another woman who is or was engaged in sex work. One who did go to his home. That sounds plausible to me.

Substance. Facts. Move away from the ugly.

MOO

How does JR know that RH's family has NOT ooperated with police?

That's quite a jump he's making. Substance. Facts.

At this point here's what we know: LE has publicly stated that RHs family are not complicit/POIs. Fact.

 

[Vern]

It's also possible they could see if she can provide additional, helpful information, in the event there is some complicity on her part. No one is saying she participated in the murders. But she may have had knowledge of them after the fact. That has to be dealt with, it can't be swept under the rug.

All that depends, too, on what evidence turns up.

Again, who says she hasn't cooperated or provided additional, helpful information? Certainly not any official source.

Link?

 

[Ruminations]

https://twitter.com/morethanlala

Justice for Jess Taylor
@Morethanlala

we are the family of Jessica Taylor, victim of LISK. we are spreading awareness and speaking love on her name. She is loved and missed every single day.

Thanks. I can't read that.

It does confirm John Ray is no longer their attorney? If so, I will stop asserting as such.

RIP, young Jessica.

MOO

 

[Vern]

Yes, the lawsuits are ongoing. Some of us here were just reading through the depositions the other day. The person who posted he wasn't representing anyone didn't provide any evidence to support that claim. JMO, it was just social media rumor.

The most interesting question has always been why some folks need to try to discredit John Ray and the victims he is advocating for. This happened for many years when Shannan Gilbert's mother was alive and still continues today. Believe me, he's riled up enough officials on LI that, were he not telling the truth, they would have had his law license many years ago.


Like this:

Spota faces scrutiny for lawyer's reduced conviction

The Suffolk County district attorney is reportedly facing scrutiny from federal officials after a lawyer's drug conviction was vacated and then reduced. Robert Macedonio, a criminal defense attorney

longisland.news12.com

I agree that the 'insider' is not yet confirmed to be such. I was reading the depositions too.

But surely there must be an official link stating who exactly JR represents as 'clients'. He claims he is representing "the families". Which ones? Which victims?

Who is representing the others?

 

[Betty P]

How does JR know that RH's family has NOT ooperated with police?

That's quite a jump he's making. Substance. Facts.

At this point here's what we know: LE has publicly stated that RHs family are not complicit/POIs. Fact.

Did JR say that RH's family hasn't cooperated with police? I don't recall that.

 

[Ruminations]

How does JR know that RH's family has NOT ooperated with police?

That's quite a jump he's making. Substance. Facts.

At this point here's what we know: LE has publicly stated that RHs family are not complicit/POIs. Fact.

It's really more the families attorneys who are asserting that the family and LE are not speaking, although I don't believe it.

I mean, how can an officer describe AE as shocked without a conversation? It's not an interrogation, but still. An interrogation isn't necessary for an investigation in all cases or at all stages of investigation.

LE has stated that AE seemed shocked, and that she was out of NYS or USA during the apparent time of 3 murders for which he is charged.

There is no reason to think AE has not been cooperative with LE, and John Ray never said she was uncooperative.

When AE's attorney's had a presser, it seems to have triggered John Ray in some way.


MOO

 

[Betty P]

I agree that the 'insider' is not yet confirmed to be such. I was reading the depositions too.

But surely there must be an official link stating who exactly JR represents as 'clients'. He claims he is representing "the families". Which ones? Which victims?

Who is representing the others?

He's representing Shannan's family. I think you're taking too literal an interpretation of his remarks, JMO.

I also think over-analyzing everything he says is a distraction, JMO. He's not under investigation here.

 

[Betty P]

When AE's attorney's had a presser, it seems to have triggered John Ray in some way.

JMO, Ray seems bothered by the launch of a big PR campaign on AE's behalf by an attorney who has a questionable reputation and is linked to the former prosecutor who bungled the LISK cases and who is now in prison for corruption.

Spota faces scrutiny for lawyer's reduced conviction

The Suffolk County district attorney is reportedly facing scrutiny from federal officials after a lawyer's drug conviction was vacated and then reduced. Robert Macedonio, a criminal defense attorney

longisland.news12.com

There's an adversarial relationship between these players because of all the corruption involved through most of the LISK investigation. Quite a few of us who have followed the case for a long time have concerns about this attorney.

The investigation should be allowed to proceed without influence from the corrupt people who stalled it for so many years. JMO

The arrest of Rex H has finally put the investigation on a positive track and it needs to stay that way until its complete. As painful as it may be for some, it needs to be thorough and as open to the public as possible. No more sweeping things under the rug. JMO

 

[Jimmytoast]

I agree that the 'insider' is not yet confirmed to be such. I was reading the depositions too.

But surely there must be an official link stating who exactly JR represents as 'clients'. He claims he is representing "the families". Which ones? Which victims?

Who is representing the others?

He is no longer representing JT.

 

[Jimmytoast]

Thanks for being there. Can you speak on if law enforcement ever contacted you regarding the jewelry sales? Like records of who purchased the necklaces. Thanks.

No, Law enforcement never contacted me regarding the necklaces? Did someone say that?

 

[Jimmytoast]

My comment was nothing to do with the jewelry, I merely said that there was a striking imbalance between the outpouring of sympathy for the Heuermann family vs the victims' families. It was in response to an article where they spoke to Sherre Gilbert.

My only comment about the jewelry was that SWOP was a legitimate org that I worked alongside on a volunteer basis when I volunteered at the AIDS Council of NSW in the early oughts. I knew about SWOP and knew about its 'run by sex workers, for sex workers' structure, and that it was a good org to donate to. I made no comment on the jewelry itself, especially not that it was condemned by the families. I said nothing like that.

MOO

I’m so sorry I think I replied to the wrong post. Please forgive me. I did see your comment about SWOP being a great organization and I appreciate that! Sorry for the mistake reply

 

[CuriousCricket]

He's representing Shannan's family. I think you're taking too literal an interpretation of his remarks, JMO.

I also think over-analyzing everything he says is a distraction, JMO. He's not under investigation here.

Obviously you like him. That's cool. Just as obviously, others don't. Also cool. I too consider him a distraction. While he's not under investigation, his insistence at thrusting himself into the investigation makes him fair game -- in my opinion.

 

[Vern]

He is no longer representing JT.

As you've previously posted.

To take that as fact, you must quote a source or become a verified insider on the site.

 

[Jimmytoast]

As you've previously posted.

To take that as fact, you must quote a source or become a verified insider on the site.

I have requested the verification yesterday and still waiting for a call

 

[Betty P]

I have requested the verification yesterday and still waiting for a call

Ok. No offense, but until then you have to provide a link. TIA

 

[Jimmytoast]

As you've previously posted.

To take that as fact, you must quote a source or become a verified insider on the site.

 

[Vern]

It's funny, I remember hearing the same phrases to describe John Ray 10 years ago.

Does anyone find it ironic that the attorneys representing Rex H's wife are criticizing John Ray for doing the same thing for the victims - representing them?

Do you have a link to which families he represents?

I'd like to see factual information regarding this via a link please.

 

[Jimmytoast]

Do you have a link to which families he represents?

I'd like to see factual information regarding this via a link please.

No, I don’t have links because it hasn’t been reported in the media yet. I’m in the process of being verified as I stated. Thank you

 

[iamshadow21]

I’m so sorry I think I replied to the wrong post. Please forgive me. I did see your comment about SWOP being a great organization and I appreciate that! Sorry for the mistake reply

No problem! I just didn't want people to think I'd been saying things I hadn't. I don't know the US branch personally, but I gained a huge amount of respect for SWOP when I worked alongside them in my early twenties here in Australia. I grew up in a very conservative household, and working at ACON taught me so much that helped me unlearn my judgements of people that lingered from my childhood. The people I met there helped me expand and changed me, for the better. It wasn't their job to do that, it was just a positive side effect.

I don't think a lot of people realise how important orgs like SWOP are. A lot of orgs that do outreach to certain marginalised people (sex workers, drug users, rough sleepers) have the backing of a religion, and the help offered comes with the chaser of judgement, whether the volunteers realise it or not. SWOP is secular, and the people who run it know what the people who it services actually need and want because they have done SW themselves.

MOO

 

[Jimmytoast]

Hi, I recognized your name right away. My brother’s name was Jimmy so I can spot your name a mile away. I saw your name posted under the photos. I thought ‘oh no’ I feel bad. Really bad. I’m so happy you came to post and share your site. It’s hard to avoid the negative spin the the NY Post did with their choice of wording to the story. I can’t take back what I said now. I sincerely apologize it was hurtful but it was how the story made me feel. I couldn’t get away from that word. Of course, now, when I go back to reread the story, I will feel differently. It feels personal. Thank you so much!

Thank you ♡