Gilgo Beach LISK Serial Killer, Rex Heuermann, charged with 6 murders, July 2023 #12

[Just K]

The only problem I have with that is that he was very conscious as per the bail document about being stopped by the police. If there are murders in SC then I don't think they came from LI.

Agreed. I think he’s killed women in both SC and VA where he is known to have spent time- possibly without the wife and kids. I also have Las Vegas in play.

 

[Izzylizzy]

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but hasn't the investigation into the murders been marred by police misconduct and interference? Would it be a stretch of the imagination that it was still going on?

I think the looooong "stretch" would be if someone in LE thought up the blueprint idea, got approval then spent 24/7 trying to get into RH's head to conjure up what was submitted by the prosecution' as evidence.


Ray Tierney was asked at the presser on how they were able to retrieve the blueprint file and he said they first had to get old software.

 

[SkylarSid]

Control the air in and out relates to the victim, IMO.

These are primarily cases with strangulation, after all.

I suspect part of the torture was seeing how long he could strangle and revive them for. And a person being strangled is going to be quieter than one who isn't.

The method gave him pleasure, but also kept the victims quiet, which was important in a suburban area. He still built himself a bunker with thick walls, though, so maybe sometimes he couldn't control the noise, or would let them make occasional sounds as part of his method.

Very much my option only, and after that dive into the swamp, I'm going to have a bath.

Is it known that he build an actual bunker?

 

[CuriousCricket]

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but hasn't the investigation into the murders been marred by police misconduct and interference? Would it be a stretch of the imagination that it was still going on?

In the early days of the case, the state police and FBI were shut out of the investigation - it is believed because the PTB did not want oversight and possible insight into the corruption of the local LE.

The current taskforce is composed of multiple agencies. It was originally overseen by Rodney Harrison with a long unblemished career, and now seems to be holding to high integrity as the group doesn't bring anything public they can't put into indictments.

I'm with you that everything should be looked at and questioned. At the moment, I trust this taskforce.

 

[fred&edna]

It's likely been discussed AND possibly even mention by Tierney, but I missed it... What does "MISS-LEADERS" mean under category of "PROBLEMS" mean? (RH's document, page 30 on bail doc)

 

[Izzylizzy]

In the early days of the case, the state police and FBI were shut out of the investigation - it is believed because the PTB did not want oversight and possible insight into the corruption of the local LE.

The current taskforce is composed of multiple agencies. It was originally overseen by Rodney Harrison with a long unblemished career, and now seems to be holding to high integrity as the group doesn't bring anything public they can't put into indictments.

I'm with you that everything should be looked at and questioned. At the moment, I trust this taskforce.

I thought about Rodney Harrison on Thursday and wondered if he remained connected to the case as a go-to for LE if need be?

 

[Just K]

Why is that, JK ?

I just keep thinking, why take pics and videos just to destroy them. I think he was sharing or selling them to like minded sickos. The easiest way to do that might be in chat rooms, at group fetish hookups or in later years on the dark web.

 

[sunspun]

What would be the likelihood of all 3 bodies being placed in the same positioning, missing a left shoe and with wood shavings left at the scenes by two different killers?

"Though Bittrolff’s DNA was not found on Costilla, all three victims were displayed in the same sexual manner and missing a single shoe, prosecutors said, and wood shavings were found at all three scenes. Both Tangredi and McNamee were known to engage in sex work, while Costilla “led a similar lifestyle,” Spota said."

So did Bittrolff have a previous criminal history when he was charged and later convicted of those 2 murders? Probably, otherwise, how did they have his DNA on file to match it to the DNA found on the 2 victims, right? Anyone know what his previous convictions, if any, were for? He claims his DNA was on those women bc he had sex with them before they died. How long does DNA stay detectable for on a body? I mean, would he have had to have sex with them the day they died, or could it be from some time earlier than that? Wasn't he able to provide exculpatory evidence like proof that he'd been on a "date" with them? I know there probably aren't actual receipts for an escort date transaction, but seems like there might be something.

Also, was his DNA the only DNA found on those two bodies? Seems like if their regular work was sex work, that they would have found DNA of others on them as well as Bittrolff's. Maybe they did, but none matched any in the database. Except Bittrolff's.

I know the 2 women he was convicted of killing were posed and/or disposed in particular ways very similar to at least one of the women who RH now is charged with killing. How similar, I wonder? Maybe too similar for most to find it a coincidence? So I assume JB is talking to lawyers about reopening his case or challenging his conviction, etc.

Alternatively, could this new charge on RH that matches some details of the victims of Bittrolff, end up actually being a 3rd vic of JB, and not a vic of RH? I know they found hair related to RH, which is why RH is charged with that one, but could the hair be from prior contact between RH and the victim, a contact that did not end up in death that time? We know RH did sometimes "date" or hire women who did survive their encounter with him.

Just some thoughts on this, spurred on by the possibility of future need to overturn convictions on JB, who then would turn out to be a wrongly convicted and imprisoned man. Without knowing more details on those similarities among victims though, I expect it will just be attributable to coincidence, meaning no judicial or legal mistakes were made re JB. But will be huge if turns out different!

 

[fred&edna]

Playing Devil's Advocate here, but hasn't the investigation into the murders been marred by police misconduct and interference? Would it be a stretch of the imagination that it was still going on?

Misconduct and interference primarily occurred in relation to SG's case... imo. Burke and his cronies were always questionable but with regard to Gilgo bodies... SG's case is where it became obvious.

 

[SkylarSid]

No, NY state law is that DNA is not put into a database until someone is convicted. An accused person is presumed innocent until found guilty in a court of law, and protecting that assumption is what I'm assuming is behind the law.

jmo

Might they share with another jurisdiction who might find similarities in cases they have? I really don’t know.

 

[I am not Sherlock H.]

I just keep thinking, why take pics and videos just to destroy them. I think he was sharing or selling them to like minded sickos. The easiest way to do that might be in chat rooms, at group fetish hookups or in later years on the dark web.

As details of this sad horrid case continue to slide into a crater……. I was just wondering if perhaps RH might have kept some evidence, trophies, photos, other….. to share with subsequent victims perhaps? Speculation only and no evidence that I know of this know. MOO

 

[Just K]

I still believe personally that there were oak beach sex parties. Some kind of sick snuff p orn trafficking club or something. But that is also moo and my mind running away with me.

Or at the very least, at these group events, the guest might find folks on all ends of the fetish spectrum and then the most extreme might share their sick adventures, fruits of their hobbies (Stories, pics and videos) or ideas.

 

[Izzylizzy]

It's likely been discussed AND possibly even mention by Tierney, but I missed it... What does "MISS-LEADERS" mean under category of "PROBLEMS" mean? (RH's document, page 30 on bail doc)

Maybe he finally realized his house was crumbling?
Missing leaders?

 

[sunspun]

Two hairs, two DNA profiles. One from RH, the other from a witness who resided with him a few months prior to Sandra's death.

MOO

That's it? No DNA from RH or Bittrolff or anyone?

 

[sunspun]

That would be darkly ironic considering Bitrolff is probably going to claim the same about Rita Tangredi and Colleen McNamee.

I thought he already did. Thought that was his whole defense.

Wonder if he didn't have a provable alibi at all?

 

[Izzylizzy]

I just keep thinking, why take pics and videos just to destroy them. I think he was sharing or selling them to like minded sickos. The easiest way to do that might be in chat rooms, at group fetish hookups or in later years on the dark web.

Would he sell the images knowing the huge risk?
I assume there's a market out there that will pay big $$$.

 

[SleutherGirl]

Would he sell the images knowing the huge risk?
I assume there's a market out there that will pay big $$$.

Not for money but maybe in trade to other sickos.

 

[Inthedetails]

Not for money but maybe in trade to other sickos.

Or just for the satisfaction. Look how many people share regular photos on social media "for the likes." Maybe he enjoys disseminating disgusting material and that was enough pay-off.

He was willing to torture and kill women, I'm thinking he wasn't risk-adverse in other areas.

Of course, we don't know what he did with the images.

jmo

 

[Just K]

So did Bittrolff have a previous criminal history when he was charged and later convicted of those 2 murders? Probably, otherwise, how did they have his DNA on file to match it to the DNA found on the 2 victims, right? Anyone know what his previous convictions, if any, were for? He claims his DNA was on those women bc he had sex with them before they died. How long does DNA stay detectable for on a body? I mean, would he have had to have sex with them the day they died, or could it be from some time earlier than that? Wasn't he able to provide exculpatory evidence like proof that he'd been on a "date" with them? I know there probably aren't actual receipts for an escort date transaction, but seems like there might be something.

Also, was his DNA the only DNA found on those two bodies? Seems like if their regular work was sex work, that they would have found DNA of others on them as well as Bittrolff's. Maybe they did, but none matched any in the database. Except Bittrolff's.

I know the 2 women he was convicted of killing were posed and/or disposed in particular ways very similar to at least one of the women who RH now is charged with killing. How similar, I wonder? Maybe too similar for most to find it a coincidence? So I assume JB is talking to lawyers about reopening his case or challenging his conviction, etc.

Alternatively, could this new charge on RH that matches some details of the victims of Bittrolff, end up actually being a 3rd vic of JB, and not a vic of RH? I know they found hair related to RH, which is why RH is charged with that one, but could the hair be from prior contact between RH and the victim, a contact that did not end up in death that time? We know RH did sometimes "date" or hire women who did survive their encounter with him.

Just some thoughts on this, spurred on by the possibility of future need to overturn convictions on JB, who then would turn out to be a wrongly convicted and imprisoned man. Without knowing more details on those similarities among victims though, I expect it will just be attributable to coincidence, meaning no judicial or legal mistakes were made re JB. But will be huge if turns out different!

From what we’ve learned, and based on these murders occurring in 1993 and 94, before Craigslist and Backpage became accessible by searching the internet, it might be safe to assume that the three women were independent streetwalkers- independent. Unless they had a p!mp, there’d be no record of the transaction or phone records, per se.

 

[jessr927]

So did Bittrolff have a previous criminal history when he was charged and later convicted of those 2 murders? Probably, otherwise, how did they have his DNA on file to match it to the DNA found on the 2 victims, right? Anyone know what his previous convictions, if any, were for? He claims his DNA was on those women bc he had sex with them before they died. How long does DNA stay detectable for on a body? I mean, would he have had to have sex with them the day they died, or could it be from some time earlier than that? Wasn't he able to provide exculpatory evidence like proof that he'd been on a "date" with them? I know there probably aren't actual receipts for an escort date transaction, but seems like there might be something.

Also, was his DNA the only DNA found on those two bodies? Seems like if their regular work was sex work, that they would have found DNA of others on them as well as Bittrolff's. Maybe they did, but none matched any in the database. Except Bittrolff's.

I know the 2 women he was convicted of killing were posed and/or disposed in particular ways very similar to at least one of the women who RH now is charged with killing. How similar, I wonder? Maybe too similar for most to find it a coincidence? So I assume JB is talking to lawyers about reopening his case or challenging his conviction, etc.

Alternatively, could this new charge on RH that matches some details of the victims of Bittrolff, end up actually being a 3rd vic of JB, and not a vic of RH? I know they found hair related to RH, which is why RH is charged with that one, but could the hair be from prior contact between RH and the victim, a contact that did not end up in death that time? We know RH did sometimes "date" or hire women who did survive their encounter with him.

Just some thoughts on this, spurred on by the possibility of future need to overturn convictions on JB, who then would turn out to be a wrongly convicted and imprisoned man. Without knowing more details on those similarities among victims though, I expect it will just be attributable to coincidence, meaning no judicial or legal mistakes were made re JB. But will be huge if turns out different!

Multiple semen samples including Bittrolff's were found with Rita and Colleen. LE connected John Bittrolff because his brother Timothy was in the database for some crime (I don't recall what, but not murder). So the DNA partially matched Timothy which is how they got to John.

Man arrested in decades-old murder case

A suspected serial killer of three women is finally behind bars two decades after the murders — thanks to what Long Island investigators are calling the “miracle of modern DNA science.” John Bittro…

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