Hannah Graham: Body Recovered, 18 Oct, 2014 **Awaiting Forensic Confirmation** #2

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I'm actually a bit surpised that the dental id has not yet been made. I know it's Sunday, but in a case getting this kind of national attention, I'd think that the specialist would come in to make the match. It would not take that long, and I'm sure Hannah's records are on hand. The DNA match would take a while, most likely since other tests would be run as well, but the dental ID has long been used and it's fast.

Yes, that can be done very quickly. I am still not even believing this information in the first place. It is unheard of to reveal details of an open death investigation; it just is not done. Plus it is really implausible there is no tissue and all that is left is skeletal. MH was exposed to the elements for over 100 days and there was hair and some tissue according to her mom.
 
7.85398163397 Square Miles search area according to my math..
Hey Foxfire- it's a 2.53 acre parcel per tax record :thinking:....I don't think that is a 2.5 mile perimeter, unless my math sucks really bad:)
 
I was reading earlier where he has connections to New York. They said that he has known associates in Washington D.C., Maryland, Pennsylvania and New York in addition to his home state of Virginia.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/hannah-graham-searchers-returns-jesse-matthews-apartment/story?id=25677711

And another thing is this assisted living place ( that never got off the ground) is like his job in someway

And don't forget he worked at Martha Jefferson House Nursing home in 2012: Matthew transitioned into more stable work in 2012, becoming a nursing-home aide at Martha Jefferson House in Charlottesville and then an orderly at the University of Virginia Medical Center's 604-bed hospital.
link:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/16/graham-mystery-murder-charlottesville/17216765/
 

‘You never know what you’re going to find,’ says forensic psychologist as Albemarle investigators hunt for clues
BY NICK DUTTON AND JAKE BURNS
UPDATED AT 11:11PM, OCTOBER 19, 2014
http://wtvr.com/2014/10/19/forensics-psychologist-on-body-found-in-hannah-graham-search/

By T. Rees Shapiro and Ashley Halsey III The Washington Post
10:57 p.m. EDT, October 19, 2014 (longer update)
http://www.dailypress.com/news/crime/dp-nws-post-bc-missing-20141019,0,3470034.story?page=2
 
GALS !!!

Sorry

This is why I have a secretary.

Pretty embarrassing if something like that made it to the Magistrate.

I'm dying laughing here! I never noticed it until you pointed out (I skim read). I was wondering why you bothered to correct such an old post!
 
GALS !!!

Sorry

This is why I have a secretary.

Pretty embarrassing if something like that made it to the Magistrate.
LOLOL it made me laugh, in the midst of this sadness, so I'm glad your secretary didn't help with that post :) or the gays. :)
 
When other bodies have been found in the past, it seemed to me that even in skeletal form, the gender was quickly IDed. I followed the Lauren Spierer thread for a while and many bodies were found and there would be a pause, until it was cleared that it was not Lauren. It was very fast when the corpse/skeleton was male.

Thanks I just realized after I posted, how silly my question was. I'm sure someone there would be able to ID it, and also we would have heard about the gender on the news. Even more recently I heard of a skull found in the woods and they quickly were able to ID it as belonging to a male, so... I think I'm just too sleepy to post this evening anymore, but thanks anyway for your reply!!!
 
Thanks for the refresher on Morgan. Do you mind stating again where it is you heard/read/etc. about the current remains being skeletonized and without hair? The interview I saw with the officer who discovered the remains did not include statements regarding this ??? If it wasn't you who brought this up, would you mind giving me the thread # to read, as I am confused about this. Thank you so much!

This article is from the day the remains were found, and prior to the identification:

"Police Believe Body May Be Morgan Harrington
Posted: Jan 26, 2010 8:09 AM MST

Virginia State Police say skeletal remains have been found on Anchorage Farm on Route 29 in southern Albemarle County. Early reports indicate the remains are that of a young woman with long blond hair. She was wearing dark clothing and a bracelet."

http://www.nbc29.com/story/11881412/police-believe-body-may-be-morgan-harrington
 
I don't think it's tin-hattish to be baffled by the fact that police and/or media are giving one location for the body, and photos tell a completely different story. Either police want people to have the wrong location so they can investigate without intrusion, or there are two body locations.

Hi otto, it seems there is police activity in both areas from posted photos. There is no mistaking the median on the entrance road to WCP with LE activity there (including crime scene tape into the woods), nor is there any mistaking the police activity at the other location on Old Lynchburg road (including crime scene tape around the perimeter).
 
Yes, that can be done very quickly. I am still not even believing this information in the first place. It is unheard of to reveal details of an open death investigation; it just is not done. Plus it is really implausible there is no tissue and all that is left is skeletal. MH was exposed to the elements for over 100 days and there was hair and some tissue according to her mom.

I'm guessing we'll know for sure if it's not Hannah by tomorrow or sometime soon? Because that would mean she's still out there and we have to find her.
 
Umm. No. I don't think it's too good to be true. If this turns out not to be Hannah, it's going to be a major set back beyond just a wrong ID, IMO. I think Longo has to be sure this is Hannah but is following protocol. Though I don't think the officer who found the body should have talked so much, I believe he did so without thinking and in the excitement of the find. I also do not think the info he gave was so damning. It's just that LE likes to keep these things as under wraps as possible. As someone who has seen a carcassed reduced to a skeleton very quickly when the carrion birds get to it, I can see that happening. In any case, an ID should be made shortly.

I see no reason to doubt that there was a forensic connection between the Hannah Graham case and MH's. That MH's parents are so involved in her case, is probably why this info was released. I'm sure the Harrningtons way of dealing with their daughter's case has made it difficult for LE who would likely want to keep a lot of what they release private. That's always an issue when family is heavily involved in these cases.

Most of the time, these cases are simple. Last person with the victim, husband, boyfriend are usually the perps. And so the stats show.

I also don't know how this will all play in court when the evidence has to meet certain standards. The forensic evidence has to be specified. The fact of the matter is that JM at the moment is charged with a bunch of driving and flight related charges, and the abduction charge. No rape, no murder. Until there is forensic evidence, that is unlikely to happen. Also, note that the DA is lying very low in this case. Don't know his name even. It's all Longo.
I think we are seeing a very interesting case, and how it is influenced by social media. I don't think we would know much at all in this case, without it. The masses really pressured LE to provide information in exchange for support, IMO. LE wanted the word to get out, tips coming in, awareness. Best way to get that these days is through FB and Twitter. LE had to keep the audience engaged, interested. They did that by providing updates on the case, I.information on JM.

It was here on WS and on FB that I saw the screams "He must be connected to MH!!!!" And a week later, LE reveals he is.
Again the internet cries came, "He's connected to AM!!!" Days later, LE releases a statement that he is not. And then RATs lawyer wants DNA run against the case....

It ALL happened mostly because of social media buzz. We can't downplay the part it's playing in this case.

(I also want to give a shout out to CCV, since the technology of surveillance cameras also played a MAJOR part here).
 
Thanks I just realized after I posted, how silly my question was. I'm sure someone there would be able to ID it, and also we would have heard about the gender on the news. Even more recently I heard of a skull found in the woods and they quickly were able to ID it as belonging to a male, so... I think I'm just too sleepy to post this evening anymore, but thanks anyway for your reply!!!

I've seen cases here where it took a while for a determination to be made/released on male vs female...I think it all depends on the condition of the remains and how much testing needs to be undergone, jmo.

eta: Just guessing--I'm not a ME or forensic pathologist/odontologist, etc.
 
From what I have read, there has no expulsion ever for any male actually found guilty of rape at UVA.

Wow. I don't even know what to say. :sick:
 
GALS !!!

Sorry

This is why I have a secretary.

Pretty embarrassing if something like that made it to the Magistrate.


We knew what you meant, J Block. Just ribbing ya.. When sleuthing such dark and tragic crimes as this, one has to occasionally post comments on the lighter side..
'Seems, that tapatalk and auto-correct may be my worst enema, at times too'..
 
I didn't say anything about a conspiracy. There is heck of a lot of smoke and mirrors, IMO.

He was never convicted of those allegations. That doesn't make him a serial raper or killer. I am sure that many other college athletes, frat guys, and other males while in college have faced similar accusations. Does that make them all serial killers? At least those two institutions held him accountable. From what I have read, there has no expulsion ever for any male actually found guilty of rape at UVA. Just an interesting contrast. Makes me wonder just how safe HG was at those parties though and could explain her disorientation.

The difference is that nary a one was seen on video with her before she disappeared. It's on video. He was the man. He was with her and then she was GONE. MOO.
 
Who knows what he might have done to the those poor elderly folks there...any suspicious deaths I wonder...it would be hard to prove homicide, especially after so much time has gone by and if someone was elderly and had a variety of health problems they could easily attribute a death to...he could have also gotten drugs from this place...I wonder if LE is looking through files here; I would think so...I wonder if this has come up in the "Other Possible Victims" thread...

I doubt if he harmed them. JMO but from everything I've read, the majority of serial killers have a victim "type."

In JLM's case it was, apparently, young women in a vulnerable state due to one reason or another.

Then again, there are documented cases of serial killers who just want to kill anyone, no type or even preferred gender required.

But I don't think JLM was one of these.

All JMO.
 
This article is from the day the remains were found, and prior to the identification:

"Police Believe Body May Be Morgan Harrington
Posted: Jan 26, 2010 8:09 AM MST

Virginia State Police say skeletal remains have been found on Anchorage Farm on Route 29 in southern Albemarle County. Early reports indicate the remains are that of a young woman with long blond hair. She was wearing dark clothing and a bracelet."

http://www.nbc29.com/story/11881412/police-believe-body-may-be-morgan-harrington

Seems to me that the info was comparable for MH. Actually, skeletal was a bit too bare as tissue was still on the bones, it seems. So the info yesterday was not that much of leak.
 
My question is, why would it have taken vultures 3 weeks to show up (going by the reported tip Oct5th)?

Wow, this highly respected ME (ID'd Chandra Levy and worked on the DC Sniper Case) is doubtful this is Hannah bc he says it takes 6-9 months to achieve such skeletonized remains under such weather conditions...rewinding and rewatching.

So, either, JM used a decomp accelerant of some sort, this is not Hannah, or this ME is off base.

Excerpted from this article, http://sciencebasedlife.wordpress.c...oes-it-take-for-vultures-to-eat-a-human-body/ :

"The video camera was triggered after 37 days when a 30-strong wake of American black vultures – Coragyps atratus – discovered the body and set to work consuming it. They reduced it to bones in just five hours. Both results surprised the researchers: pigs have been found and consumed by vultures within 24 hours of being left in the facility. And the skeletonisation was much quicker than the day they had expected it to take. This will feed into future time-of-death calculations."
 
FWIW, I don't think it's odd that the deputy who found the remains said he felt he was led there by God (paraphrasing). jmo
 
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