Hannah Graham: The Search

[human]

Just curious--Why did JLM even go to the police station if he was not going to say anything! I mean if he knew he was not going to talk to them then at least do not flee. Then it looks like you have nothing to hide and it could have played to his defense .....once you take off for Mexico it kinda makes you wonder why he did not just do that as soon as he heard they were looking for him. He would have made it to Mexico!

He talked to a lawyer and the lawyer probably told him what the situation could be based on different scenarios.

So Jesse could either be innocent and figure he was in deep trouble because. Of circumstances that were not in favor.

Or he could be guilty and figured this time he was not going to get out of it.

 

[human]

I don't know the area other than driving through it and spending one night in a hotel there, so I don't know where the lakes or ponds are. I just have this dreaded feeling that JLM has put Hannah in water somewhere.

I just don't think JLM (I refuse to call him LJ) placed Hannah very far away. He most likely went to work at 7AM that day, got off work at 3PM, went to the Christian school to coach, and probably cleaned up after that to go out. IIRC, he had drank from late that afternoon until after 1AM, so I would imagine he felt very tired after he did whatever he did to Hannah. He probably wouldn't have gone far and went to somewhere familiar to him. WHERE is the big question.

Also, he and the roommates were packing to move. Did he or the roommates rent a storage room? That question is probably really lame because I'm sure LE would have checked that angle out.

I hope the searchers are successful, but if not, maybe hunters will be. It is just so wrong when this guy knows for a fact that he was the last person seen with Hannah, yet what does he do? He runs and refuses to answer any of LE's questions. Now he has all the rights and Hannah has none. It just makes me furious.

GB Hannah's family and friends. This just needs to end for their sake.

MOO

The body fills up with gases and rises. So unless he was able to put the bodyinto something and weigh it down, the body would show up.

If he put a person into a fast moving river, the person could get stuck on some thing on the bottom.

Digging is hard as well unless the soil is a field. Otherwise, rocks and vegetation make it difficult. Does he travel with a shovel?

 

[OldSteve]

Tricky case. I wonder if he had access to any other vehicles that night...
I still think about Morgan Harrington and if there's a connection.
I still am thinking about the other guy who was seen on video ducking into a doorway as HG passed him by, and then he followed her...
Thinking how things fit into the rule-of-three I go on about , as well as this being a cases of 3 no's:
No crime scene found or witnessing of crime (including surveillance).
No contact by victim with anyone after going missing - including banking or social media
No body found.
No crime scene found or witnessing of crime (including surveillance).
No contact by victim with anyone after going missing - including banking or social media
No body found.

 

[ksj3]

Depends on whether it was cloudy. What about night vision goggles? Too far-fetched?

Probably, unless he really is an SK with preplanning.

However, lots of people have headlamps, even with the red lights - campers, fishermen.... Keep those in your car. No problem.

 

[ILOKAL]

He talked to a lawyer and the lawyer probably told him what the situation could be based on different scenarios.

So Jesse could either be innocent and figure he was in deep trouble because. Of circumstances that were not in favor.

Or he could be guilty and figured this time he was not going to get out of it.

Of course, his going to the police station to "get" an attorney was not necessary and Jesse probably knew that. This wasn't his first rodeo. Perhaps it was an "in your face" type of thing to show the police how big and powerful he was and that they weren't going to get ANYTHING from him!

 

[verbonica]

Of course, his going to the police station to "get" an attorney was not necessary and Jesse probably knew that. This wasn't his first rodeo. Perhaps it was an "in your face" type of thing to show the police how big and powerful he was and that they weren't going to get ANYTHING from him!

I was thinking that maybe he went to the police station to try to get his (orange) car back (maybe that's also why he got his driver's license renewed the previous day). He even brought along an extra driver. Yeah, it would have been silly of him to think he'd get it back so soon, but, well...

 

[Perplexed 123]

Of course, his going to the police station to "get" an attorney was not necessary and Jesse probably knew that. This wasn't his first rodeo. Perhaps it was an "in your face" type of thing to show the police how big and powerful he was and that they weren't going to get ANYTHING from him!

I think the two family members escorting him had more to do with JM being there than JM himself did


jmo

 

[human]

Of course, his going to the police station to "get" an attorney was not necessary and Jesse probably knew that. This wasn't his first rodeo. Perhaps it was an "in your face" type of thing to show the police how big and powerful he was and that they weren't going to get ANYTHING from him!

He went with his mother? And uncle who think he is innocent.

He probably got free lawyers in the past and wanted to get one because his family was urging the innocent "child" to fer an attorney.

They did not realize he gets nothing without being charged.

I cannot see them having the funds to pay a private attorney. Is this one pro bono?

 

[Le Singe]

Of course, his going to the police station to "get" an attorney was not necessary and Jesse probably knew that. This wasn't his first rodeo. Perhaps it was an "in your face" type of thing to show the police how big and powerful he was and that they weren't going to get ANYTHING from him!

i agree with the family members also think its possible he was trying to see if the lawyer could get them to stop following him.

 

[jstinch]

The latest on the search

http://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2014/09/student-group-leads-graham-search-effort

http://www.wric.com/story/26650194/weekend-search-for-hannah-graham-matthew-due-in-court-thursday

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/loc...cle_7453e836-4773-11e4-bdb5-001a4bcf6878.html

First time poster, lurking since Hannah disappeared. Not sure if this has been brought up but it seems to me that LE evidently knows that JM was near a water source. Longo stated in the last PC about JM liked fishing, in the WRIC story Longo also refers to "creeks and brooks", just a thought but maybe they found a microorganism on/in his vehicle that would prompt his remarks or maybe, I am just looking to much into it.

 

[OldSteve]

In the Sierra Lamar case, LE planted a tracking device on the suspect's car...

I wonder if LE did that or thought to do that here. Sadly, I do not think they did since if they did so, they would not have followed him like they did once he left the police station....

 

[CvilleMother]

In the Sierra Lamar case, LE planted a tracking device on the suspect's car...

I wonder if LE did that or thought to do that here. Sadly, I do not think they did since if they did so, they would not have followed him like they did once he left the police station....

One of the reasons Randy Taylor was never arrested in the Samantha Clark case was an illegal GPS. There is no way CPD will make that mistake after seeing Orange County make it already: http://www.readthehook.com/108360/l...amily-mourns-suspect-claims-police-harassment

 

[aa9511]

First time poster, lurking since Hannah disappeared. Not sure if this has been brought up but it seems to me that LE evidently knows that JM was near a water source. Longo stated in the last PC about JM liked fishing, in the WRIC story Longo also refers to "creeks and brooks", just a thought but maybe they found a microorganism on/in his vehicle that would prompt his remarks or maybe, I am just looking to much into it.

Welcome!! Glad you posted!

 

[OldSteve]

One of the reasons Randy Taylor was never arrested in the Samantha Clark case was an illegal GPS. There is no way CPD will make that mistake after seeing Orange County make it already: http://www.readthehook.com/108360/l...amily-mourns-suspect-claims-police-harassment

In the above -

Police, he learned, had been tracking him without his knowledge, and, as would later be revealed in court, without a warrant to put the device in place.

Yet, LE did do this in Sierra's case, so how difficult would be to get a warrant ...

 

[Hoosgirl]

Searching rts 20 & 53:

https://mobile.twitter.com/AnandaRochita/status/516607102979420161

 

[NJJohn]

I am certain, for me, that if I were the last person to be seen with someone before they went missing, I would give any and all information I had in order to help aid the search...and my family would be encouraging me to do that, too. I am not saying JMs actions are proof of his guilt, but his actions aren't making him look innocent, and his main objectives.right now should be to show his innocence and help LE find HG with whatever information he can provide, even if its just her mental state or where she may have said she was.going when he supposedly parted ways with her. Honestly, I think he's guilty of something, and I am not one of the people who can look at JM through the "innocent until proven guilty" lens. He has an obligation to help Hannah, and if nothing else, he's guilty of holding back potentially critical information, thus harming HG and the search for her. That's a pretty big deal in and of itself.

The issue isn't about whether he's innocent or guilty, it's about our Constitutional rights and the rule of law. I also think he's guilty, like you said, of something, and if he is, I hope LE finds the evidence to convict him and finds Hannah (obviously, hopefully alive and safe, although that seems remote at this point). Regardless, thinking he's guilty doesn't allow LE or anyone else to strip him of his Constitutional rights. We don't have to respect JM at all, but we do need to respect the laws that allow us to live in this country in a state or (relative) peace and freedom.

As far as Hannah's rights go, someone else posted that the exception to the rule is that the attorney is obligated to inform LE if the information can lead to saving a person whose life is in danger otherwise or to prevent the client from committing similar crimes (if he's out on bail or something), so the rights of others are still protected as well through the exceptions. And as noted, most attorneys won't ask and don't want to know anyway.

 

[ILOKAL]

Using either Tempo or the nearest "lovers lane" as the origin, I think think LE should do a search along two routes, one towards JM's sister's place and one towards the grandma's place.

JM does seem quite close to his sister and grandma. It wouldn't be a bad idea at all to check along those routes to their homes. Does his sister or grandma live anywhere close to where some of the other victim's bodies were found? JW

 

[ILOKAL]

I was thinking that maybe he went to the police station to try to get his (orange) car back (maybe that's also why he got his driver's license renewed the previous day). He even brought along an extra driver. Yeah, it would have been silly of him to think he'd get it back so soon, but, well...

That's a great thought! Then again, if that was the case, he must have been pretty confident that LE didn't or wouldn't find anything incriminating in that car. Needless to say I hope that's not the reason he went

 

[MJPeony]

OMG... There is forensic connection now to Morgan Harrington

http://wtvr.com/2014/09/29/hannah-graham-morgan-harrington-connection/

 

[quiqui]

OMG...
http://wtvr.com/2014/09/29/hannah-graham-morgan-harrington-connection/

I just saw the same thing and it gave me chills. It is unfathomable to me the amount of pain one person may have caused for 2 (multiple?) families. My thoughts are with everyone involved.