TX - Heidi Broussard, 33 Found Deceased, & Margo Carey, 2 weeks, Found Alive Austin, 12 Dec 2019 #8

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The "tampering with a corpse" or however it's worded - how exactly, I wonder, does this apply in MF case. Just for the fact it was in her trunk?

In Texas, you can be charged with misdemeanor tampering if you just know about a dead body without reporting it to the cops. It's upgraded to a felony if you attempt to conceal the body.
 
My Theory



I have followed this case since it first broke that Heidi Broussard and her newborn baby, Margo, were missing. Given the evidence, I’ve developed a theory on what happened. We will more than likely never understand why Magen did what she did, and there’s no reasonable explanation. I believe that Magen is dealing with some mental health issues or substance abuse problems that were catalysts for what she did. It’s hard to know exactly what happened and there are many questions that I obviously don’t have answers to. Maybe some of you can fill in the blanks.


At approximately 7:50am Heidi Broussard dropped her son, Silas, off at Cowan Elementary in Austin, Texas and proceeded to return home to the Club at Summer Valley apartments off West William Cannon Drive and South First Street. It is presumed that she did not make any stops but she allegedly called her boyfriend Shane at 8am. (There are rumors that she may have stopped at a Starbucks, but it has not been confirmed. If she took West Gate Blvd. to William Canon Drive to return home, there is a Starbucks about halfway in between her home and the school.) This places her back at her apartment at approximately 8:05am – 8:15am.

Once back at the apartment, Heidi takes the diaper bag and baby Margo in her car seat up to their 3rd floor apartment and she lets their dog Zeus out. In the “Jay is 4 Justice” interview Carissa Nolte (Heidi’s good friend) noted that Heidi would routinely just open the front door and let the dog run downstairs to a grassy area that could be seen from her balcony. Zeus is well trained, and he returns to the apartment when she calls him. It is around this time (8:30am) that Carissa claims Heidi received the last text message she’d ever see. Carissa says it was from Magen and it was regarding breastfeeding difficulties. I believe that it is around this time that Magen calls Heidi and “surprises” her by telling her that she is in Austin and nearby with a newborn of her own and wants to see Heidi. She may have asked Heidi to come downstairs to help her or something along those lines. (Magen was probably already in the apartment complex and saw Heidi return home.)

Excitedly, Heidi puts Zeus on the patio because she assumes that Magen will be coming upstairs to hang out for a while, and heads downstairs to meet her, accidentally leaving the door to the apartment open. Heidi is carrying baby Margo in her arms, and she has only her phone and her keys with her. Once downstairs she sees Magen in the backseat on the passenger’s side of the vehicle. A car seat is in the backseat on the driver’s side, and there’s somebody else driving the vehicle. (She may or may not have known this person.) Magen and Heidi exchange greetings and Magen asks Heidi to get in the passenger’s seat to show them where to park. (In apartment complexes such as this many of the parking spots are reserved and visitor parking is sometimes tricky to find.) Heidi agrees to get in the passenger seat holding the baby because she believes that she’s only traveling within the apartment complex, so she isn’t concerned about a car seat for Margo. I don’t believe Heidi would have gotten into the vehicle willingly (which is what was reported by law enforcement) without securing Margo in a car seat and bringing the diaper bag.

At this point I think that Magen has scouted the area with whoever is driving, and they know where they can go in the complex where they more than likely won’t be seen. With Heidi sitting in the passenger’s seat and Magen sitting directly behind her in the backseat, the unthinkable happens. Magen quickly uses a garrote, or something similar, to strangle and murder Heidi right there in the car. Once Heidi is subdued, Margo is moved into the car seat. Magen and her accomplice then immediately leave the apartment complex and go to a predetermined location where they can move Heidi’s body into the trunk of the car. Once the body is moved, they start their journey back to Magen’s home in Houston.


Questions



1) Who was driving the vehicle? It’s being reported that another female has been arrested in connection with the case, and she is being charged with the same crimes as Magen.

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3) From all reports that I’ve seen, it was a black SUV that Heidi willingly got into. Why then was Heidi’s body moved into the trunk of her silver Nissan Versa? Does Chris Green drive a black SUV as neighbors have told the media?

4) Everything about this brazen act seems so well planned and premeditated. Why was their no attempt made by Magen and her accomplice to dispose of Heidi’s remains in the 8 days she was presumably dead?

5) Where was Chris Green (Magen’s boyfriend) during all of this? He has not been charged with anything and he reportedly is the person who called CPS to their home. Did he not question why he wasn’t notified his girlfriend was in labor? Was he not suspicious that Magen showed up with a 2-week-old baby? Chris looks to be biracial, did he not question anything about the baby once he saw her? Did Magen just think that no one would notice the baby’s skin tone?

6) Assuming my theory is correct, how could Chris not question Magen’s vehicle being parked so oddly in the back yard? How did he not detect an odor of decomposition?

7) On the contrary, let’s assume that Heidi WASN’T killed but was kidnapped and held against her will. How could this possibly go unnoticed by Chris?

8) Why has no one been charged with murder?

9) Why did it take Shane so long to call the police? He hadn't been able to reach her for almost 12 hours. He found everything she would have taken with her still in the apartment when he got there around noon. But he waited over 7 hours to call the police.

10) Who is closes enough to Magen to agree to go through with this heinous plan? Who else would benefit from this happening?

Do you have a source for someone else being arrested.

And that HB's body was transferred?
 
Been lurking since this horrific case started and haven’t posted anything till now. Maybe ?? The dna test results are not only for the baby but could also be a determination as to who’s dna is on the deceased or on a murder weapon if one was found. IF they have a murder weapon they may wait for test results before charging MF or anyone else with murder
MOO
 
DEC 23, 2019
Friend of Heidi Broussard says she spoke to suspect 'every day' after disappearance
[…]

“Oh my god, oh my god,” CN said on the air when she learned of the connection.

“Heidi would not be there. I’ve talked to Magen every day, all day,” CN added . “She’s been sick over this. She just had a baby. She’s been breast-feeding and she had to go see a specialist... I didn’t even think about Magen because that’s her best friend.”

CN added that Fieramusca called her “like five or six times a day” in the wake of Broussard’s disappearance.

“We talked to 3 or 4 a.m. those first three nights,” CN said.

CN said she never saw Fieramusca’s baby in person. Fieramusca also doesn’t have a Facebook page, she said, so she never saw a photo of the child.

[…]
 
So why doesn't Heidi's parents have Margo regardless of who the father is? Wouldn't they be next of kin? I don't think there would be any good reason to not reunite a 4 week old baby with the family ASAP.

At the end of the day, as tough as it is, Margo having to spend a few days away from her family is less important than making sure every possible charge sticks against her mother's murderer. Proving that the authorities did everything right during this time is critical to doing that, including doing DNA tests to prove Margo isn't "Luna" and making sure they followed the procedure for custody until they were sure of that.
 
After Slaying of Tx. Mom and Recovery of Her Kidnapped Baby, Expert Speaks Out on Infant Abductions

"The motivation of these women who want an infant is almost always to preserve a relationship," the expert says.

Robert Lowery, the vice president of the Missing Children Division at the Virginia-based National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, says a “stereotypical infant abduction” often involves “a female abductor and the murder of the mother.”

While Broussard’s friend, Vi**ie Sh****s, tells PEOPLE that when she last saw her, Fieramusca told her she was pregnant and due to deliver her baby within a week. Shreves says that, to her, Fieramusca did not seem like someone who was about to give birth.
 
At the end of the day, as tough as it is, Margo having to spend a few days away from her family is less important than making sure every possible charge sticks against her mother's murderer. Proving that the authorities did everything right during this time is critical to doing that, including doing DNA tests to prove Margo isn't "Luna" and making sure they followed the procedure for custody until they were sure of that.

I don't disagree, but IMO if they already had DNA results back showing that she is indeed Margo, and Heidi is the mother, I think they would place her with the grandparents if there was a question of paternity. As far as we know, this hasn't happened yet, so IMO, they are still waiting for results.

JMO
 
except she’d already spent 8 days away.

I don’t disagree with you on the level as a mom and a citizen, but consider this hypothetical from a legal perspective:

From the night the baby was rescued, they hand the baby to SC. DNA results come back, and the baby is not Margo. Heidi’s body, of course, was still found at MF’s. MF’s lawyers argue the police wrongfully charged her with kidnapping Margo and the investigation was biased by believing a false motive from the beginning. They also argue it isn’t capital murder because, hell, if they were wrong about Margo’s kidnapping, maybe Heidi wasn’t kidnapped either!

A hyperbolic example maybe, but the fact stands that this is a critical part of the case and everything must be done to the letter.
 
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I don't disagree, but IMO if they already had DNA results back showing that she is indeed Margo, and Heidi is the mother, I think they would place her with the grandparents if there was a question of paternity. As far as we know, this hasn't happened yet, so IMO, they are still waiting for results.

JMO

There could be results back and it not be automatic. When a child is placed in protective custody, there are a series of hearings. They may just be pending for the hearing, which, will, of course, be given precedence in the court system.
 
My Theory



I have followed this case since it first broke that Heidi Broussard and her newborn baby, Margo, were missing. Given the evidence, I’ve developed a theory on what happened. We will more than likely never understand why Magen did what she did, and there’s no reasonable explanation. I believe that Magen is dealing with some mental health issues or substance abuse problems that were catalysts for what she did. It’s hard to know exactly what happened and there are many questions that I obviously don’t have answers to. Maybe some of you can fill in the blanks.


At approximately 7:50am Heidi Broussard dropped her son, Silas, off at Cowan Elementary in Austin, Texas and proceeded to return home to the Club at Summer Valley apartments off West William Cannon Drive and South First Street. It is presumed that she did not make any stops but she allegedly called her boyfriend Shane at 8am. (There are rumors that she may have stopped at a Starbucks, but it has not been confirmed. If she took West Gate Blvd. to William Canon Drive to return home, there is a Starbucks about halfway in between her home and the school.) This places her back at her apartment at approximately 8:05am – 8:15am.

Once back at the apartment, Heidi takes the diaper bag and baby Margo in her car seat up to their 3rd floor apartment and she lets their dog Zeus out. In the “Jay is 4 Justice” interview Carissa Nolte (Heidi’s good friend) noted that Heidi would routinely just open the front door and let the dog run downstairs to a grassy area that could be seen from her balcony. Zeus is well trained, and he returns to the apartment when she calls him. It is around this time (8:30am) that Carissa claims Heidi received the last text message she’d ever see. Carissa says it was from Magen and it was regarding breastfeeding difficulties. I believe that it is around this time that Magen calls Heidi and “surprises” her by telling her that she is in Austin and nearby with a newborn of her own and wants to see Heidi. She may have asked Heidi to come downstairs to help her or something along those lines. (Magen was probably already in the apartment complex and saw Heidi return home.)

Excitedly, Heidi puts Zeus on the patio because she assumes that Magen will be coming upstairs to hang out for a while, and heads downstairs to meet her, accidentally leaving the door to the apartment open. Heidi is carrying baby Margo in her arms, and she has only her phone and her keys with her. Once downstairs she sees Magen in the backseat on the passenger’s side of the vehicle. A car seat is in the backseat on the driver’s side, and there’s somebody else driving the vehicle. (She may or may not have known this person.) Magen and Heidi exchange greetings and Magen asks Heidi to get in the passenger’s seat to show them where to park. (In apartment complexes such as this many of the parking spots are reserved and visitor parking is sometimes tricky to find.) Heidi agrees to get in the passenger seat holding the baby because she believes that she’s only traveling within the apartment complex, so she isn’t concerned about a car seat for Margo. I don’t believe Heidi would have gotten into the vehicle willingly (which is what was reported by law enforcement) without securing Margo in a car seat and bringing the diaper bag.

At this point I think that Magen has scouted the area with whoever is driving, and they know where they can go in the complex where they more than likely won’t be seen. With Heidi sitting in the passenger’s seat and Magen sitting directly behind her in the backseat, the unthinkable happens. Magen quickly uses a garrote, or something similar, to strangle and murder Heidi right there in the car. Once Heidi is subdued, Margo is moved into the car seat. Magen and her accomplice then immediately leave the apartment complex and go to a predetermined location where they can move Heidi’s body into the trunk of the car. Once the body is moved, they start their journey back to Magen’s home in Houston.


Questions



1) Who was driving the vehicle? It’s being reported that another female has been arrested in connection with the case, and she is being charged with the same crimes as Magen.

<mod snip>

3) From all reports that I’ve seen, it was a black SUV that Heidi willingly got into. Why then was Heidi’s body moved into the trunk of her silver Nissan Versa? Does Chris Green drive a black SUV as neighbors have told the media?

4) Everything about this brazen act seems so well planned and premeditated. Why was their no attempt made by Magen and her accomplice to dispose of Heidi’s remains in the 8 days she was presumably dead?

5) Where was Chris Green (Magen’s boyfriend) during all of this? He has not been charged with anything and he reportedly is the person who called CPS to their home. Did he not question why he wasn’t notified his girlfriend was in labor? Was he not suspicious that Magen showed up with a 2-week-old baby? Chris looks to be biracial, did he not question anything about the baby once he saw her? Did Magen just think that no one would notice the baby’s skin tone?

6) Assuming my theory is correct, how could Chris not question Magen’s vehicle being parked so oddly in the back yard? How did he not detect an odor of decomposition?

7) On the contrary, let’s assume that Heidi WASN’T killed but was kidnapped and held against her will. How could this possibly go unnoticed by Chris?

8) Why has no one been charged with murder?

9) Why did it take Shane so long to call the police? He hadn't been able to reach her for almost 12 hours. He found everything she would have taken with her still in the apartment when he got there around noon. But he waited over 7 hours to call the police.

10) Who is closes enough to Magen to agree to go through with this heinous plan? Who else would benefit from this happening?

The best scenario I have read so far that makes sense with all we know.

ETA: Just noticed that you just joined, WELCOME! Look forward to your inputs in this case
 
There could be results back and it not be automatic. When a child is placed in protective custody, there are a series of hearings. They may just be pending for the hearing, which, will, of course, be given precedence in the court system.
This makes sense, and in the interview that Shane's best friend did, he did say that Shane was expecting a visit from CPS to make sure that he was prepared and had support, so if I could make an assumption, it would be that he is the father JMO.
 
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I think Margo’s ID was known immediately. It is the “other” factor delaying things, imo.

iirc, this was used during the Lizzy Shelley/Alex Whipple case. I believe brought to the scene. Moo

As much as it is counter-intuitive to me as well as agita inducing, Margo's ID could not have been known immediately. Suspicion as to who she is was certainly there. But, without a DNA test that conclusively states who the relatives are placing her with anyone in the family would not pass CPS muster. (We can look at the old case of Paul Fronczak as an example --even though DNA testing was not available-- as a danger of assuming.)

I am not going to question anything about her lineage until we have hard facts. MOO
 
I don't disagree, but IMO if they already had DNA results back showing that she is indeed Margo, and Heidi is the mother, I think they would place her with the grandparents if there was a question of paternity. As far as we know, this hasn't happened yet, so IMO, they are still waiting for results.

JMO
Is the baby in the control of CPS in Houston or Austin? The reason I ask is because maybe they are going over and above board to make sure their ducks are in a row. They haven't been doing too well lately as in the case of Maleah (Houston), and other cases in other states. I'm not saying I agree because I definitely believe Shane is the father and we most certainly know Heidi is the mother. She should be returned to her family.
 
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