GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #6

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I just listened to some of the clip of SC again that Kapua posted up above. Knowing his truck was never stuck out there and he never saw her lights in his rearview and listening to him tell lie after lie for 15min straight. I hope they play it again for the jury. There is no reason someone can do that when everyone is trying to find a missing person.

I was thinking the same thing about the interview tapes. I really hope the prosecution plays them during their closing arguments, and I hope they quote Kim saying "his tone was out of context".
 
Girl, if you've lived in Haiku or anywhere on Maui, then you know a weather report is inaccurate. Haiku is given a very broad stroke because they (weather stations) literally paint it from Maliko Gulch to Nahiku. Homes listed for sale in Nahiku are given the 96708 zip code destination, the same as Huelo and Haiku town. Not trying to get on your nerves with the weather thing but you said it was a cool winter night on February 9, 2014 when some of us remember it as otherwise. <3

I was not on Maui in Feb 2014 so I can say nothing about the warmth or coolness on that specific night. My comment about someone possibly wanting to put on a jacket on a cool winter night were based simply on my own experiences living in Haiku and spending time in Makawao/Upcountry, which is generally a bit cooler, because I think Charli was also there on Sunday night. There were cool nights in Haiku that I experienced, and there were VERY cool early mornings in which the heater in my car was cranked up full blast at about 5:30 AM as I drove to work.

If you remember the night of Feb 9 and are saying it was a warm night, then I have no reason not to believe you. ;-)
 
lol!...I miss Haiku so much. I lived off Lower Ulumalu near Hana Hwy.

I would have loved to have bought Steven's grandfather's Kalipo house, SUCH a beautiful house, detached ohana and overall property. Maybe someday... ;-)
 
lol!...I miss Haiku so much. I lived off Lower Ulumalu near Hana Hwy.

I would have loved to have bought Steven's grandfather's Kalipo house, SUCH a beautiful house, detached ohana and overall property. Maybe someday... ;-)
It was on the market for a while. Nice land, pretty hodgepodge residences. Beats being in jail, that's sure.
 
I just listened to some of the clip of SC again that Kapua posted up above. Knowing his truck was never stuck out there and he never saw her lights in his rearview and listening to him tell lie after lie for 15min straight. I hope they play it again for the jury. There is no reason someone can do that when everyone is trying to find a missing person.

Good point, RDS. Hope Rivera's team thinks of it or they read your post here.
 
I am trying my best to listen to the maggot testimony. Its freaking me out.

What do people think about the types of questions the jury are asking during this trial?
 
I was not on Maui in Feb 2014 so I can say nothing about the warmth or coolness on that specific night. My comment about someone possibly wanting to put on a jacket on a cool winter night were based simply on my own experiences living in Haiku and spending time in Makawao/Upcountry, which is generally a bit cooler, because I think Charli was also there on Sunday night. There were cool nights in Haiku that I experienced, and there were VERY cool early mornings in which the heater in my car was cranked up full blast at about 5:30 AM as I drove to work.

If you remember the night of Feb 9 and are saying it was a warm night, then I have no reason not to believe you. ;-)
I love February nights because I can wear a short sleeve T-shirt instead of a tank. I own one sweater and only wear it at pretty high elevation and at night.

I remember when I first came to Hawaii on a February vacation, I went to a concert at a hotel that was at sea level, wore a short dress with thin straps and no cover up.

I have never worn a sweatshirt at sea level ever.
but people are very different in how they respond to temperature. I am a total crybaby about the cold if I go to the mainland.
 
It was on the market for a while. Nice land, pretty hodgepodge residences. Beats being in jail, that's sure.

The house needs updating for sure, but I thought the woodwork inside the main house was gorgeous & high quality. The detached ohana was kind of random, but it has a separate driveway - the monthly rent check is your mortgage payment right there! There are a lot of weird, "off the grid" type properties in Haiku/Huelo area, but the Kalipo property looked pretty decent to me (had normal kitchen & bathrooms at least), but definitely needs updating.

I am trying my best to listen to the maggot testimony. Its freaking me out.

What do people think about the types of questions the jury are asking during this trial?

I think it was smart to establish that the maggot egg-laying corresponded with the rest of the evidence placing her body out there at specific times, and I thought it was interesting how Rivera was tying possible coverage with blanket into an interim in egg-laying by the flies.

I love February nights because I can wear a short sleeve T-shirt instead of a tank. I own one sweater and only wear it at pretty high elevation and at night.

I remember when I first came to Hawaii on a February vacation, I went to a concert at a hotel that was at sea level, wore a short dress with thin straps and no cover up.

I have never worn a sweatshirt at sea level ever.
but people are very different in how they respond to temperature. I am a total crybaby about the cold if I go to the mainland.

I had no jacket/covering of any kind when I lived there, I only had flimsy short-sleeve shirts & tanks - which is why I felt cool being outside in the night/early morning occasionally. I do tend to feel cool more than other people, I have been known to sit with a space heater on my knees blowing onto me lol. When it gets into the lower 70s or the 60s, I start feeling cool, but others might still consider that "warm."

Where do you live, Puakenikeni? Windward side or leeward side?

Steven spoke in an early intereview of Charli wearing a jacket that night, but in a different interview he did not mention a jacket, so we can't know for sure. But February is the coldest month statistically, so it's at least conceivable that she had a jacket of some kind with her.
 
Moxie:
"I think it was smart to establish that the maggot egg-laying corresponded with the rest of the evidence placing her body out there at specific times, and I thought it was interesting how Rivera was tying possible coverage with blanket into an interim in egg-laying by the flies."

One more Big nail for SC.
 
I am trying my best to listen to the maggot testimony. Its freaking me out.

What do people think about the types of questions the jury are asking during this trial?

Funny, I had no trouble listening to Dr. Goff and I could not watch the previous testimony from the evidence specialist. I thought Dr. Goff did a great job of educating the jury and his presentation demonstrated the scientific process in relatively simple terms. He seemed very conscious of keeping the presentation… tasteful? If that’s the right word.

I haven’t paid the closest attention to the jurors’ questions. When there is live stream, I listen to the prosecution and skip over large parts of the cross and the jurors’ questions.
 
I love February nights because I can wear a short sleeve T-shirt instead of a tank. I own one sweater and only wear it at pretty high elevation and at night.

I remember when I first came to Hawaii on a February vacation, I went to a concert at a hotel that was at sea level, wore a short dress with thin straps and no cover up.

I have never worn a sweatshirt at sea level ever.
but people are very different in how they respond to temperature. I am a total crybaby about the cold if I go to the mainland.

I run cold compared to the average person. I love Hawai'i weather because I don't need to wear layers in the evening/at night. I do bring a very light sweater and long-sleeved shirt in case I go to some overly air-conditioned restaurant or if there's a strong breeze.

The coldest I have ever been in Hawai'i was at the top of Haleakala at sunrise. It was a real tourist-y thing to do, but I have to say, the view is spectacular! You can see the peaks of Mauna Kea and Mauna Loa on Hawai'i Island. But OMG, it was cold, even though I was prepared and dressed for the experience.
 
Bug expert: Scott killed the night last seen alive
http://www.mauinews.com/page/conten...-killed-the-night-last-seen-alive.html?nav=10

Testifying Friday in the 2nd Circuit Court murder trial of Steven Capobianco, forensic entomologist M. Lee Goff said his determination that there had been two insect-laying events associated with the maggots was consistent with a dead body having been wrapped in a blanket that was taped at the ends to prevent insect activity for a period.

"That would be a possibility if, in fact, the flies cannot get to the body," Goff said. "They may be attracted but they cannot penetrate the wrappings and lay their eggs."


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Goff wrote a book, "Fly for the Prosecution," about his work as a forensic entomologist and was a consultant for the "CSI" television series.

In examining the nine containers of insects recovered by Maui police, Goff said that he found two species of blow flies.

"Both of these are very common, localized in Hawaii, and very widely distributed to the islands," he said. "And they are relatively aggressive, typically showing up very early in decomposition."

He said he also found a beetle in one container of insects collected from a pair of black jeans. He said the type of beetle "is very commonly associated with decomposing material; however, it is a predator."

"So it's there to feed on the maggots," he said.

Taking a technique developed in agriculture to predict pest outbreaks and determine when to treat crops, Goff said temperatures can be used to calculate how long it would take for larvae to develop.

"It's actually a very simple process," Goff said. "We start with when the body was found, when the insects are collected and the development ceases and we work backwards."
 
Dr Goff was definitely a great witness. I found his explanations really easy to understand. I've been telling my family how much I know about maggots.
 
To reply to Moxie before moving on to the new clues -- I live windward in basically the same climate and orientation as Nua'ailua Bay. This is why I keep commenting on the jungle and weather. Part of my land is cleared, the part where my house is, but the other half of it is stream gulch rain forest.
I spent a year or two living on the lee side.

I don't at all dispute that Charli could have had a jacket in the car, just saying I think she could have been fine without one too.
I do not think the hoodie was Charli's, partly because, to quote Kim, Phaedra was Charli's shadow. Apparently she was with Charli most of the time she (PW) was not in school, so I think she knew Charli's clothes really well, and she was very definite No on whether the sweatshirt was Charli's. No "not sure" -- just no.

The other reason: I don't see the need for the sweatshirt to be Charli's to fit the set of facts we have. I think we have a green blanket that had been wrapping Charli's body and had been taped, and the tape
rolls, and a top and bottom of men's clothes with them.

What I have been envisioning is he took her body out of the blanket, which was then full of maggots, and dismembered her near that tree and rock, in the process getting blood on his lower sleeves. Because she had been dead for a couple of days, there is no longer flowing blood, so it was not a blood bath and the blood staining was more on the parts of the hoodie where he made contact as he worked.

Then he took the blanket and his contaminated clothes and the tape rolls and took them to the stream, although I have no clue why they got left there. I just think this group of evidence is from one part of the crime. He would have ruined up to three sets of clothes (or even more) for the whole process, assuming each time he wore fresh clothes.

So I see no reason the hoodie would not be either his or belonging to a male accomplice. Of course the scenario I gave is just speculation and subject to change, but seems to work with the facts we have.
 
One more Big nail for SC.
Exactly. Another nail in the coffin. They all add up!

To reply to Moxie before moving on to the new clues -- I live windward in basically the same climate and orientation as Nua'ailua Bay. This is why I keep commenting on the jungle and weather. Part of my land is cleared, the part where my house is, but the other half of it is stream gulch rain forest.
I spent a year or two living on the lee side.

I don't at all dispute that Charli could have had a jacket in the car, just saying I think she could have been fine without one too.
I do not think the hoodie was Charli's, partly because, to quote Kim, Phaedra was Charli's shadow. Apparently she was with Charli most of the time she (PW) was not in school, so I think she knew Charli's clothes really well, and she was very definite No on whether the sweatshirt was Charli's. No "not sure" -- just no.

The other reason: I don't see the need for the sweatshirt to be Charli's to fit the set of facts we have. I think we have a green blanket that had been wrapping Charli's body and had been taped, and the tape
rolls, and a top and bottom of men's clothes with them.

What I have been envisioning is he took her body out of the blanket, which was then full of maggots, and dismembered her near that tree and rock, in the process getting blood on his lower sleeves. Because she had been dead for a couple of days, there is no longer flowing blood, so it was not a blood bath and the blood staining was more on the parts of the hoodie where he made contact as he worked.

Then he took the blanket and his contaminated clothes and the tape rolls and took them to the stream, although I have no clue why they got left there. I just think this group of evidence is from one part of the crime. He would have ruined up to three sets of clothes (or even more) for the whole process, assuming each time he wore fresh clothes.

So I see no reason the hoodie would not be either his or belonging to a male accomplice. Of course the scenario I gave is just speculation and subject to change, but seems to work with the facts we have.



Your property sounds lovely!

About provenance of the gray hoodie, I think your logic is sound and I know it ultimately doesn't matter, but just out of curiosity, I seem to see something gray on the lower left side of the pic of Charli you posted. If you cropped that pic yourself, do you happen to have an uncropped version that shows more in the pic? I just want to make certain it's not a gray hoodie! ;-)

Your timeline of events is very interesting and seems plausible to me, but just a couple things...
You envision him dismembering her a couple days later, whereas Dr. Taylor specifically labeled the injuries she saw in the bones as "perimortem," so they would have occurred "at or around the time of death" and not days later.

Also, why do you think the blanket had been taped? We'd expect to find remnants/pieces of tape if he'd taped the blanket early on and left her there only to remove her from the taped blanket later on. Why would he have carefully removed the tape pieces from the blanket but left so many other things including the rolls of tape? (to answer my own question, maybe he was worried about fingerprints on the bottom of the pieces of tape?)

I envision him utilizing the masking tape for his final removal of the body - possibly needing long pieces to wrap around the girth of her body, which would explain why he went on to the 2nd roll when the 1st roll still had a bit left on it.
 
You ask great questions, Moxie. I definitely don't have this completely figured out, and the questions help challenge my thinking.

"but just a couple things...
You envision him dismembering her a couple days later, whereas Dr. Taylor specifically labeled the injuries she saw in the bones as "perimortem," so they would have occurred "at or around the time of death" and not days later."

I am not remembering now if she said that about both the fractures and the knife incision wound. The fractures she definitely said were perimortem. So this new information from her caused me to change the original impression started by Det. Loo that the mandible fractured as part of chopping up, and now I see a powerful blow to her from the right side while she is alive, as described by Dr. Taylor, who sees evidence of the trauma travel direction. As I posted yesterday, with the link to the article on how perimortem state is detected in fractures, I think, it looks like this could have been perimortem if she died any time that evening. Therefore it could have been the incapacitating factor, and the stabbing later. She could not have lived very long after being stabbed so many times, so the other scenario is the stabbing followed immediately by the blow.

I read that the perimortem and postmortem are partly distinguished by whether the bone is drier, due to death. I am not sure if maybe the bone would have not dried as quickly being in a warm rainforest with the body wrapped up, and we're not able to ask her about that, so I don't know about the knife wound, how soon it had to be made.
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"Also, why do you think the blanket had been taped? Was there tape found on the blanket? It seems to me that we'd expect to find remnants/pieces of tape if he'd taped the blanket early on and left her there only to remove her from the taped blanket later on. Where are the tape pieces, why would he have carefully removed those but left so many other things?"

Yes, I was thinking along the same lines yesterday, although I did not write it all out. Sound questions. I thought it made sense that the blanket was taped to hold her, but where is the tape?
I NOW think it likely had been taped because I've just learned Rivera asked the expert whether it could have been, and Rivera knows all the evidence, so he would not ask if he thought it did not work with their theory. That is all.

The tape could have been removed and all stuck together in a ball. I have a family member who paints houses and that's how the tape usually ends up when it is removed, although there can of course be small pieces break off. The tape could have gone down the stream.

"I envision him utilizing the masking tape for his final removal of the body - possibly needing long pieces to wrap around the girth of her body, which would explain why he went on to the 2nd roll when the 1st roll still had a bit left on it."

It's possible that both happened. Goff explained that the body needed to be closed off from fly access for a period of time. A loose blanket roll would not do it; thus the need for taping the open ends and I would think keeping it from unrolling by putting tape around the girth too. That's what Rivera asked (see Kapua's snippet).
 
I've not gotten through all of Goff's testimony yet, because I loathe and hate maggots. Living in Hawai'i, it is a constant battle to avoid them, like I was saving coffee grounds for the garden in a sealed tupperware once, and opened it and it was full of maggots, disgusting, right in my kitchen. Any trash over two days old, maggots. Gross. No meat is even necessary in the equation. Ugh.
So thanks for the snippets. I don't see the timeline part in the snippets, and the Maui News paywall is blocking me, although the app is not -- but I can't snip from the app version, so I'll write it in below.
 
Timeline set out by Goff:
Charli murdered the evening/night of Sunday the ninth.

Eggs laid on the body Monday the tenth in time frame between 1 PM and 7 PM.
This means he left the body (in whatever condition), lying out where flies could come, the first night and most of Monday. Flies can get in whether body is under bushes and so forth, hidden from view, but not if taped up and sealed in the blanket (he agreed with Rivera).

Monday night, we pretty well know that Steven got out there after leaving the Kaiser house, maybe around 5 PM.
This is when Goff's timeline says that fly access ceased.
This means that Steven probably wrapped the blanket around her on Monday and left her again.
The reasoning here is that the oldest maggots, from the Monday exposure to flies, were inside the blanket, developed there.

Regarding her clothes, they did not have a horrible smell of decomp that was mentioned, only the blanket, so I think he removed her clothes, possibly even on Sunday, and placed them where he planned to retrieve them and dispose of them later. Had she been clothed in tank top and skirt inside the blanket, the clothes would have been just as infested and full of stench, but they were not, but the bra that was found near the bones did have it and also the maggots. So I think he removed the tank top and skirt first and left the bra.

Next event is unwrapping the blanket, and a second exposure to flies.
Goff says this occurs BY (no later than) 6 AM Wed. 2/12, after an "inactive period" (from Monday 7 PM to some unknown time prior to 6 AM Wednesday.
Goff also says the flies are not active at night, so this would rule out Tuesday after dark.

This leaves Tuesday afternoon as the only time he could have unwrapped the body in my read (open to correction).
Tuesday he started by Skyping, cops interviewing, work at Mana foods, leaving for Keanae with Brooke Scott around 3:30, going out to "the breakdown pullout" -- and then separating himself and getting down to Paraquat's, where he was seen by Brooke and Phaedra leaving at or near dusk? This is very little time to do anything more than to unwrap the blanket. It is not enough time to dismember a body, is it? It's an hour or less by my calculation.

The important thing for Goff's timeline is that the flies COULD access the body (or parts) on Monday day, but COULD NOT for a period of time, but then COULD and did for some time prior to dawn on Wednesday, and that second access was focused not by where the blanket was, but in the spot on the ground that was near the tree and rock, where the bones were found, and her bra.

Now, gruesome as this is to say, he could have dismembered the body on Monday night, and wrapped up the pieces in the blanket instead of the whole person, and taped it up and left it for Tuesday to finish. Then he would have opened it up and removed the body parts, and taken the blanket and his clothes that were there to the stream (and the tape rolls). For transferring to a new and better container, I think a black plastic hefty contractor's bag is more likely than a box. If you have ever bought those, they are made for disposing of construction fragments, and are really tough so that nails and sharp edges don't tear them open.

OR, he buried the parts or took them to the ocean or somehow scattered them, but did he have time on Tuesday afternoon?
When did Kyle smell the decomp by the bridge? Was that Wednesday?

Lastly, it is possible that he began dismembering on Sunday night, starting with her jaw and head. Thus making the knife incision mark on the jawbone very close to time of death, perimortem. What I would speculate there, due to the ultimately short time window he had, is he then realized it was going to take much longer than the time he wanted to spend right after the murder. Let's assume he was in some altered state of shock or rage or something right after. No mood for methodical work, and he has the vehicle to torch, and drugs to sell. This would explain why only the one part of the mandible is marked up. He started and aborted?

So, Hana and beyond. What if his idea was to separate the head and torso. Did Scott Peterson do that? So say he takes her head off and takes it with him to dispose of south of Hana or beyond. It is much smaller than the rest of her, and less risk to have in the vehicle. I am not wedded to the theory, but we need a reason he went out to Hana instead of home. It is dark, and the trauma and decapitation broke the connection between the lower mandible and the head, and the mandible pieces fall off in the dark, and end up hard to see on the ground. This is how they get separated. The torso he leaves there, maybe rolled under some vegetation cover, unclothed except maybe bra.

Monday night he returns to do work and then wraps in blanket until he can get back to do the next step. At that point, there is no search going on that he has heard about, and he figures he has more time that week to work in this remote area that is 4WD only.

There is at least one problem I see with the idea he dismembered her on Monday night. The "younger" maggots on the ground were from eggs laid after an inactive period, lain late Tuesday or Wednesday. But the dismembering is most likely the event that put material on the ground that caused all the maggots. I think this means that the optimum time for creating the material is Tuesday night, because he did not have time to do this on Tuesday afternoon.

Tuesday he followed Brooke and Phaedra to Haiku residence, talked to Kim, went out with Adam Gaines to Keanae, came back to Haiku, "went home" after Adam and Fiona went to Nahiku to get Nala.

Now at this point he learns Nala is found, which he probably did not think was going to happen, and now he is worried? So possible, tired or not, he goes back in the middle of the night and completes the job, and leaves material on the ground that attracts flies at dawn on Wednesday, which is within Goff's timeline. If he does the dismembering in the middle of Tuesday night, exhausted and sleep deprived, that would possibly explain why he doesn't manage to collect everything.

However, I do not think he used HIS truck to transport remains prior to Wednesday morning, because he let the police do a visual search of his truck Wed. morning with no reservation. On THURSDAY morning he bleached his truck. So maybe on Wednesday evening when the others went to Peahi and he was out Hana Highway and not seen again, but claimed he went home, perhaps then he used his truck to move evidence, and bleached the next morning.

I will stop there and hope for feedback.
 
I just looked up the sunrise time, because it matters if the spec is to fit with the timeline.

Sunrise at 6:51 AM for Wed the 12th.
Sunset at 6:18 PM on Tue the 11th.

Goff says the second round of fly access happened by 6 AM Wed.
This is BEFORE sunrise, with flies inactive at night. This means flies got to body or body parts or other remains by sunset Tuesday, before 6:18 PM, after not having access since Monday at sunset.

Realistically, with Steven's Tuesday schedule this places the time when access was unblocked (body was unwrapped) during that period of time Tuesday afternoon that Steven snuck down there after showing the searchers the decoy spot where he said his truck had been stuck. When he met the sisters as he was coming out in his truck and said he had searched and nothing there.

Presumably they would have mentioned if he was wearing different clothes from what he had been an hour or two earlier. If he did anything messy, he must have changed and changed back.
All we know from the testimony time frame is that in that hour to 90 minutes he may have had, possibly less time, he changed the body status from sealed in blanket to open to fly access, and in that time prior to sunset flies came, and it happened in that spot where they found the bones and piercing, because the second batch of maggots were swirling around on that ground indicating there was food. And maggots do not travel away from where they are born (unless they get transported). So something happened there before Tuesday sunset, but that is not to say it did not continue Tuesday night.

BUT there were no eggs laid on Wed after 6 AM, or thereafter until the searchers came, at least not on anything that got left there on the ground or on any evidence. So the evidence was either moved or sealed up tightly by Tuesday night.
 
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