IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #15

[iamnotagolem]

TG was not confused.

He went to the police station later in the day to report what he'd seen, then spoke to officers on the trail the next day.

Can you, or anyone that has a link handy post it? TIA I'm off to look, I thought we discussed this a few days ago and it turned out that he didn't report it until 3 days later, when initially I thought he had reported it as you posted. Off to look.

 

[Sere-nity]

He has not been named as a POI so we cannot sleuth him.

My statement was not intended to be a sleuth statement. I am just stating that just because someone is a known figure does not mean that they can do no wrong.

 

[roseofsharon]

The only problem I continue to have with this theory is, why drop the bikes off at the lake when they could have been left anywhere, certainly somewhere more accessible than the lake trail.:waitasec:

Why drop off the bikes at all? Either leave them where the girls were abducted, or put them in the vehicle and dump the bikes later. Why take the time, after abducting two girls, to drive to the lake and discard the bikes?

That is why I have a hard time with the staged bikes theory. JMO

I posted earlier that a local person would need to get the bikes away from anything to do with them. Going with this theory, I don't know why the bikes wouldn't have just been left in the forest on Maiden Lane. I can only think that if the bikes were staged, the person who did this, wanted it to look like the girls had ridden their bikes to the trail and if the bikes were left by the perp, they were made to look like the girls could have gotten into some trouble in the lake. Just MOO

 

[RNER]

And also if they DID ride there bikes there, the perp would have to be just waiting for the instant they arrived imo, cause how would you just happen to bump into a predator at that spot, it would be to much of a coincidence IMO.. And I don't know why they rode around their neighborhood for 45 mins then decided to rush to the lake knowing they would have no time to spend there cause they needed to be back by 1:00.

This is why I think they went to the lake to meet someone who was already there with their own bikes, and those are the bikes the biker man saw.

There has been no description of the bikes released to the public from either person (biker and LE/fireman) that found them that I am aware of. I find it strange that the bike's descriptions have not been made public when LE/FBI/FAMILY has requested the community to report any knowledge, witnesses or sightings of the girls on the day they disappeared.

 

[taagean]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1067763/

Recreational bike riding. An injury study showed the average speed of children 13 years or younger was 8.9 mph. These children were not in accidents, it was a study done to see what the average mph was for various ages.

 

[MNDad]

I'm not caught up, but wanted to comment on this, I'll delete if it's been answered.

My husband and I have iPhones, we can change the time on them, my phone was 6 minutes faster than his for the longest time until we changed his because mine was more accurate.

Me, wife and kids all have iPhones. You can definitely manually set time but I have all of ours set to get time from ATT, which I think is the default. Don't know about US Cellular's systems and devices.

 

[Reverie]

I think they went to the lake to meet someone they knew or someone they considered "a friend". Maybe they were lured away innocently and willingly at first...then things changed because the "friends" had bad intentions.

Kids will push the limits of time constraints, engage in risky behavior, and ignore consequences, especially if it is to meet a "friend" who the admire or have a crush on, and for girls, it starts at this age!

This might explain why the alleged girls on the CCTV are pedaling so fast. More time to spend there before going back to grandma??

There are too many "IFs" in this case. I just want them to come home. No child deserves such a fate.

 

[RNER]

The thing is, the girls were caught on cctv riding AWAY from granmas at 12.15.

That would imply to me that they had gone home as requested at the time they were requested, and for some reason WENT BACK OUT AGAIN.

They were expected home around 12.15, grandma had already started worrying/searching by 12.30.

:moo:

Why hasn't Grandma stated that publicly? Or did she, and I missed it?

 

[Sunlight]

Me, wife and kids all have iPhones. You can definitely manually set time but I have all of ours set to get time from ATT, which I think is the default. Don't know about US Cellular's systems and devices.

Yes, but if you make a call on it, is the time recorded for billing set by ATT or by how you personally set the time? I would think the ping on the cell towers is what determines the time a call was actually made, not what you program yourself...otherwise, one could set your phone hours off and make calls that show up on different days even...MOO

 

[Marilynilpa]

If you haven't sleuthed (investigated) him SS, how do you know he is so highly respected in the community..just sayin'....MOO

You can sleuth til the cows come home, you just can't post about it here on WS.

 

[hambirg]

The thing is, the girls were caught on cctv riding AWAY from granmas at 12.15.

That would imply to me that they had gone home as requested at the time they were requested, and for some reason WENT BACK OUT AGAIN.

They were expected home around 12.15, grandma had already started worrying/searching by 12.30.

:moo:

BBM

See, this is exactly what makes me wonder if they were ever at the lake. Why if they were almost home when they were suppose to be would they go all the way back down to the lake? I could understand racing around the block a few more times, but why go all the way down to the lake?

I'm just going to say it. . .statistically speaking they were likely abducted near the house.

One thing that I have learned by being to this rodeo a few times is that when LE shows us surveillance tape of the last time the victims were seen, it is usually shortly before their disappearance. If it wasn't it makes sense that they would have been caught on tape again. . .or seen. In this case, the girls didn't loop around the block and ride past the camera again. . .something happened. They were either abducted or they rode directly to the lake. I would like to hear from a local if it is possible that they rode to the lake without being caught on any other surveillance camera. Also what is the likelihood that more people haven't come forward to say they saw the girls riding towards the lake?

All MOO

 

[RNER]

I've considered that, too. But the likelihood of that seems extremely low. I would think the likelihood of that would be just as likely as LE finding the wrong bikes by the lake.

I think it is possible that TG saw the bikes on a different day, unless he mentioned something to his daughter on the day that he saw the bikes. Was it typical of him to call his daughter during his potty break during his bike ride? If so, then he could have just confused the day of seeing the bikes and it really could have been different bikes.

I am sure the date and time that he made the call would have been confirmed by LE. Didn't he notify LE later after he found out the girls were missing and not immediately after calling his daughter?

 

[Marilynilpa]

Can you, or anyone that has a link handy post it? TIA I'm off to look, I thought we discussed this a few days ago and it turned out that he didn't report it until 3 days later, when initially I thought he had reported it as you posted. Off to look.

I'm trying to find a link, too, because I also remember something that said he didn't know about the girls being missing until the next day?

 

[Confusion]

I sort of thought they may have ridden past the house at around 12:15 to see if grandma was out there looking for them yet. Since she wasn't, they may have figured they still had some time to waste.

 

[Confusion]

I'm trying to find a link, too, because I also remember something that said he didn't know about the girls being missing until the next day?

The date of the picture of him talking to the police was Monday. The article said that he told them what he'd seen and they told him to go to the police station and file a report; which he did. That was 3 days after they had disappeared.

 

[Reverie]

Why hasn't Grandma stated that publicly? Or did she, and I missed it?

IIRC, they needed to be back by 12:30 pm. Sorry I don't have a link. Will look for it.

 

[Sunlight]

IIRC, they needed to be back by 12:30 pm. Sorry I don't have a link. Will look for it.

There was a lot of confusion in the beginning about when gma last saw them and when they started to look for them. They were supposed to leave at 1:30.

 

[Marilynilpa]

The date of the picture of him talking to the police was Monday. The article said that he told them what he'd seen and they told him to go to the police station and file a report; which he did. That was 3 days after they had disappeared.

http://globegazette.com/news/iowa/r...cle_7dbadcc0-cfd1-11e1-b097-001a4bcf887a.html

As the group searched, a bicyclist stopped the officers to say he saw the two kids bikes on the trail at about 12:20 p.m., but no sign of the children.

Ted Gamerdinger of Waterloo said he rides the trail often.

“I saw the bikes laying on the path and had to swerve to miss them,” Gamerdinger said. He then went to the Evansdale Police Department to report the sighting.

BBM

This story is referring to the search conducted on Monday, so it does sound like TG did not report his sighting of the bikes until after talking to LE at the lake on Monday.

 

[mahoolin]

Maybe it wasn't the girl's bikes that he saw! This would explain the lack of description of the bikes given to the public per LE/FBI.

I find it hard to believe anyone riding a bike fast enough to have to "swerve" as opposed to "ride around" the bikes could accurately describe the bikes in enough detail to absolutely identify them. Not saying I believe or disbelieve, just sayin, wow, I'm going to have to work on my powers of observation....:what:

 

[MNDad]

In case it helps: http://globegazette.com/news/iowa/e...cle_7dbadcc0-cfd1-11e1-b097-001a4bcf887a.html

Ted Gamerdinger of Waterloo said he rides the trail often.

“I saw the bikes laying on the path and had to swerve to miss them,” Gamerdinger said. He then went to the Evansdale Police Department to report the sighting.

Still trying to find the one about Mr. Pahl and the time stamp.

I know you have a link and a quote but I just dont think this is accurate. At least the take away the reporter is giving is not accurate. It sounds like he saw the bikes and then immediately went to the PD to report it. Why would he do that when the girls weren't even reported missing yet? Not questioning TG as much as how MSM changes things for the sake of sentence structure, not realizing that they are changing the meaning; which often leads to our confusion here on WS.