IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #24

[cindersoot]

I'm not discussing TG...I'm stating that if those bikes were NOT the girls, then I believe we would know they weren't the girls.

And I'm also asking us to sleuth that if those bikes were NOT the girls, then whose would they be? 2 other kids in the area the same time who also didn't see anything?:waitasec:

:great::rocker:

 

[roseofsharon]

Your armchair profile aligns with mine although I suspect he is early to mid 20s and will add that I think this is his first murder crime but he probably has multiple more petty arrests and he has molested before if this was a sexually motivated crime.

I think he does not fare well with females in his peer group and tends to try to hook up with teen females as they are more llkely to find him impressive (older, vehicle, job, etc.)

This is my armchair general profile fwiw ...

- male between 50-70 years of age
- widower and retired
- living in Evansdale all his life
- not social
- quiet, shy, but wouldn't hurt a fly image
- latent pedophile
- acted out for the first time July 13, 2012
- didn't plan abduction and murder, took leave of his senses
- avid hunter/fisherman past and possibly present
- owns truck
- may have ties to 7 Bridges through taking his own children there when they were young

Just IMO

 

[Squeeze]

Is there a reason he wouldn't have just gone down Lafayette Road?

No, depending on where they were abducted. But id think he'd want to get out of town quick, and dubuque road would be my choice.

 

[cindersoot]

I just love that! Yes, if those weren't the girls bikes then who??? Who? I sound like an owl.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Do you believe the girls rode their bikes to the lake that day and were taken from there?

Yes, or they at least got very close to the lake.

I think one of the reasons that the FBI were so sure they were alive, is that the abduction scene was staged.

A sexual predator wouldn't bother.

 

[SoBeCzar]

This is my armchair general profile fwiw ...

- male between 50-70 years of age
- widower and retired
- living in Evansdale all his life
- not social
- quiet, shy, but wouldn't hurt a fly image
- latent pedophile
- acted out for the first time July 13, 2012
- didn't plan abduction and murder, took leave of his senses
- avid hunter/fisherman past and possibly present
- owns truck
- may have ties to 7 Bridges through taking his own children there when they were young

Just IMO

Interesting. Why are you thinking it is a 50 to 70 yr old? I think that is late to act out on pedo urges. Most mens sex appetites begin to wane as they age. Not saying it goes away, just wanes.

 

[SoBeCzar]

Yes, or they at least got very close to the lake.

I think one of the reasons that the FBI were so sure they were alive, is that the abduction scene was staged.

A sexual predator wouldn't bother.

But they weren't alive. Does that make you lean any towards a predator? I think LE has changed their stance since finding the bodies.

 

[Squeeze]

With it being so hot that day, another possible lure may have been someone suggesting the girls looked like they needed an ice cream cone and offering to buy it for them and to just follow them to the store.

Would the nearest store for ice cream be Casey's?

IMO

Sorry if this has been answered. WAY behind here. Four Queens dairy is right next to the bike trail and Fareway. We ride our bikes there often in the summer, using the trail, and do so just the night before.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I just thought of something. Mr. TG told me that, " the bikes were laying ACROSS the trail". Now if the bikes were laying across the trail, then how did he swerve around them? The trail is about 6 ft across and a bike is ? ft across, so that leaves how much room to swerve around?

Stop. Stop. Stop. You are killing me. My best theory is one that is off limits. He seems to be at the center (literally) of it all.

Who would have guessed there was CCTV on Brovan?

Not to beat a dead horse (or live one that would be fun to ride...).

 

[roseofsharon]

Interesting. Why are you thinking it is a 50 to 70 yr old? I think that is late to act out on pedo urges. Most mens sex appetites begin to wane as they age. Not saying it goes away, just wanes.

Yes, that is very true, but sometimes something happens to (some) men when they get older. I'll leave the explanation up to the experts.

IMO

This link provides some insight with the exception that the perp may be a pedophile who suppressed his feelings for most of his life.

http://ca.askmen.com/sports/health_400/435_why-men-act-strangely-after-40.html

 

[elmomom]

I haven't posted anything in awhile, but I have been reding, and you all are on top of everything. I just want to give a shout out to Cinder - beware of the naughty chair as I see it looming overhead, lol

 

[Marilynilpa]

I'm not discussing TG...I'm stating that if those bikes were NOT the girls, then I believe we would know they weren't the girls.

And I'm also asking us to sleuth that if those bikes were NOT the girls, then whose would they be? 2 other kids in the area the same time who also didn't see anything?:waitasec:

I don't believe I said anything about you discussing him, so I'm not sure why you responded as you did to my post. I was actually making kind of an inside joke with cindersoot, who has long had "problems" relating to TG, going back to the earlier days of this case.

Regarding your post, there was much discussion in the earlier threads regarding the bikes, and who they might have belonged to if they didn't belong to the girls. We debated this back and forth, IIRC, but as usual there were various theories and no consensus was reached.

IMO, if TG did see bikes that day, they could have belonged to anyone. As to why the owners did not come forward, we don't know that they didn't. I doubt LE would publicly name the owners if they did not wish to be identified.

LE has never officially recognized TG's sighting, and thus have not commented on what bikes he did or did not see on July 13.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Yes, or they at least got very close to the lake.

I think one of the reasons that the FBI were so sure they were alive, is that the abduction scene was staged.

A sexual predator wouldn't bother.

BBM

I think the FBI was just playing the odds when they stated they felt the girls were still alive. JMO

"More than 99 percent of children reported missing in America in recent years have come home alive," Allen told Reuters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/26/us-usa-missing-children-idUSBRE83P14020120426

 

[GrainneDhu]

Stop. Stop. Stop. You are killing me. My best theory is one that is off limits. He seems to be at the center (literally) of it all.

Who would have guessed there was CCTV on Brovan?

Not to beat a dead horse (or live one that would be fun to ride...).

If you looked at the businesses in that little strip mall, you'd guess. Auction houses often have goodies in them and they all belong to someone other than the auctioneer, so a burglary is a double ouch.

 

[threecrazykids]

I don't believe I said anything about you discussing him, so I'm not sure why you responded as you did to my post. I was actually making kind of an inside joke with cindersoot, who has long had "problems" relating to TG, going back to the earlier days of this case.

Regarding your post, there was much discussion in the earlier threads regarding the bikes, and who they might have belonged to if they didn't belong to the girls. We debated this back and forth, IIRC, but as usual there were various theories and no consensus was reached.

IMO, if TG did see bikes that day, they could have belonged to anyone. As to why the owners did not come forward, we don't know that they didn't. I doubt LE would publicly name the owners if they did not wish to be identified.

LE has never officially recognized TG's sighting, and thus have not commented on what bikes he did or did not see on July 13.

My apologies...I thought you were implying I was trying to pull TG back into it.:blushing:

I'm really not dragging TG back into the picture. I am just trying to figure out what bikes he swerved around. He not only reported it once, but I believe went back again to make sure they knew what he'd seen...to me he was very sure of what he saw whether or not LE chooses to run in the media with it.


Why isn't LE including this sighting? Because they weren't the bikes of the girls? Then why not say so?!!! They don't have to include WHO they belonged to. A simple statement of "we have determined that one account of seeing 2 bikes across the paths was found to be other bikers in the area on that day".

I don't believe that someone like Ollipop, chelsea6, etc...even closer locals than myself (as I have said...I follow other places where family has posted) wouldn't know that those bikes had been eliminated as the girls even if LE hadn't come out in the media.

Anyway...I don't want to go to the naughty chair so I want to be sure no one thinks TG is in my sights. :blushing:

 

[GrainneDhu]

As for whether any given individual saw the girls or their bicycles on 13 July, I keep in mind that eyewitnesses are often wrong. They're (usually) not malicious, they are making an honest mistake. There have been lots of experiments where subjects know they will be asked about the scene (photographs or video) they are shown and there are always a substantial percentage of witnesses who make mistakes. And this is when they know that they are going to be asked about what they see. Over time, even as little time as 15 minutes, witnesses are more likely to make mistakes.

Somewhere in these threads, a WS member wrote about witnessing a car accident. She saw it was about to happen, so she was trying to observe and remember everything. But at trial, it turned out that the traffic video of the accident showed she had made some errors in her statement to the police.

So what happens if someone doesn't realise they will be asked about what they saw? Experiments show that ignorance about what they are going to be asked does not lead to an improvement in memory.

There are also experiments that show that if one witness reports something, their confidence in the reliability of their own memory is highly inflated if they learn another witness reported seeing the same thing.

 

[GrainneDhu]

My apologies...I thought you were implying I was trying to pull TG back into it.:blushing:

I'm really not dragging TG back into the picture. I am just trying to figure out what bikes he swerved around. He not only reported it once, but I believe went back again to make sure they knew what he'd seen...to me he was very sure of what he saw whether or not LE chooses to run in the media with it.


Why isn't LE including this sighting? Because they weren't the bikes of the girls? Then why not say so?!!! They don't have to include WHO they belonged to. A simple statement of "we have determined that one account of seeing 2 bikes across the paths was found to be other bikers in the area on that day".

I don't believe that someone like Ollipop, chelsea6, etc...even closer locals than myself (as I have said...I follow other places where family has posted) wouldn't know that those bikes had been eliminated as the girls even if LE hadn't come out in the media.

Anyway...I don't want to go to the naughty chair so I want to be sure no one thinks TG is in my sights. :blushing:

I was writing my post about the problems of eyewitness reports at the same time you were posting this.

One good reason for LE not to issue any corrections to any eyewitness report is that doing so can tip the perp to what LE knows.

Another good reason is that what one witness reports can affect how confident other witnesses are in their own reports. If this ever goes to trial, that would be an obvious thing for the defence to explore.

 

[Squeeze]

Apparently neither my parents, my brothers, nor I have control over our children as none of ours ever had a bedtime before 8 pm.

Its also summer, gets dark around 9:00 or so. Hard to get kids in bed when its still light outside. And, if they dont have to get up early, no point in being in bed that early.

 

[chelsea6]

I am torn with what I believe right now. On one hand I think LE is laying low and wanting the perp to sweat it out or become smug thinking they have nothing...yet they are quietly watching, waiting for the perp to slip up (as seen with Evelyn Miller).

On the other hand, I am not so sure LE has ANYTHING to go on.:banghead: One would think that if they had SOME piece of evidence and really needed that last nail in the coffin they would come forward with that something that might trigger someone's memory or show that piece of evidence that could seal the deal.

Are they not releasing anything because they don't NEED anything...or because they don't HAVE anything?:waitasec:

I wonder too!!:waitasec: We all want justice for these girls, and it's driving us all crazy waiting to hear something from the Police!!! lease:

 

[Marilynilpa]

My apologies...I thought you were implying I was trying to pull TG back into it.:blushing:

I'm really not dragging TG back into the picture. I am just trying to figure out what bikes he swerved around. He not only reported it once, but I believe went back again to make sure they knew what he'd seen...to me he was very sure of what he saw whether or not LE chooses to run in the media with it.


Why isn't LE including this sighting? Because they weren't the bikes of the girls? Then why not say so?!!! They don't have to include WHO they belonged to. A simple statement of "we have determined that one account of seeing 2 bikes across the paths was found to be other bikers in the area on that day".

I don't believe that someone like Ollipop, chelsea6, etc...even closer locals than myself (as I have said...I follow other places where family has posted) wouldn't know that those bikes had been eliminated as the girls even if LE hadn't come out in the media.

Anyway...I don't want to go to the naughty chair so I want to be sure no one thinks TG is in my sights. :blushing:

BBM

LE has been extremely closed-mouthed about this case. I don't think LE would issue a statement about the validity or invalidity of any sighting that they never made public. JMO

We certainly don't want you to go to the naughty chair over TG, but I don't think any of the questions you asked put you at risk!