IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #25

[tlcya]

Glad to see you again SierraShelby :welcome: as a verifiied insdier.

Thank you for being so patient with the many quesions members have. Its just that we have spent so very many months puzzling over the timeline we have tried to form of the girls activities and whereabouts that afternoon.

 

[roseofsharon]

I don't remember, what is the "depot" and where is it located? TIA

 

[Dum-Dum Sucker]

Thanks for finding the quote, I was just about to go looking for it. Something about this has always bothered me. Can't put my finger on what, but it's bothered me.

I wish we knew what "a long time" means in this boy's mind.

What has always bothered me about this quote is Aunt Tammy asking if the little boy had seen two little girls on A bicycle - singular - one bicycle. This might seem picky, but Tammy was asking a faulty question.

No - the boy had not seen a girl giving another girl a buck on a bicycle, which essentially is what Tammy was asking.


There was a little boy fishing, and he had been there a long time. I asked him as well, when I first approached and started asking random people. I said, "Did you see two little girls on a bicycle? He said "No". I said, "How long have you been here?" He said, "A long time."

 

[PlainJaneDoe]

Jeez, I missed A LOT!!!! Welcome!!

:seeya:

 

[carbuff]

What has always bothered me about this quote is Aunt Tammy asking if the little boy had seen two little girls on A bicycle - singular - one bicycle. This might seem picky, but Tammy was asking a faulty question.

No - the boy had not seen a girl giving another girl a buck on a bicycle, which essentially is what Tammy was asking.


There was a little boy fishing, and he had been there a long time. I asked him as well, when I first approached and started asking random people. I said, "Did you see two little girls on a bicycle? He said "No". I said, "How long have you been here?" He said, "A long time."

If he was there fishing, and the lake is that small, shouldn't he have seen something? Does that point back to Maiden Lane again?

 

[otto]

WHY DRAIN THE LAKE??????????????????

If no one "saw THEM" at the lake, in the lake, around the lake, near the lake, and only their bikes and purse were near the lake, I just can't believe that LE/FBI would take the time to drain the lake, call specialists from across the country with specialized cameras and equipment, and waste several days focusing on the possibility that they or evidence were IN THE LAKE!

Logically speaking...it doesn't make sense! I can't think of any reason a lake would be drained (at least where I live and in any other case that I am familiar with) with the thought that they "might be" in the lake-especially since family and others thought they never went there!

IMOO...Someone saw them IN THE LAKE! That "key witness" has not been publically identified and is only known to LE, and maybe they even saw the girl's being drowned or attacked.

The bikes were leaning against the fence at the gate to the lake, and Elizabeth's purple purse was on the shore, 10 feet East of the bikes. One could easily assume that they went in the water - either by choice or accidentally. Investigators said, at the time, that they had to rule out the possibility that the children drowned ... and they did.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I thought it was odd that they drained the lake, but I was glad they did it. I remember I thought it was strange that Elizabeth's mother went to the police station to report the girls missing instead of calling 911. I thought it was weird the girls went missing when they did. This whole case is just beyond bizarre to me. I can't imagine how it must feel to be LE's boots.

At first I thought it was strange that Heather went directly to the police station rather than calling them, but then I wondered if perhaps LE received a lot calls from or about various members of this family. Maybe Heather felt it would be more effective to go directly to the police station, where she could speak to someone in charge and make sure that action was taken right away. Also, while driving to the police station, I imagine she was using her cell phone to keep in touch with Tammy, Wylma and Misty about their search for the girls. JMO

 

[Marilynilpa]

What has always bothered me about this quote is Aunt Tammy asking if the little boy had seen two little girls on A bicycle - singular - one bicycle. This might seem picky, but Tammy was asking a faulty question.

No - the boy had not seen a girl giving another girl a buck on a bicycle, which essentially is what Tammy was asking.


There was a little boy fishing, and he had been there a long time. I asked him as well, when I first approached and started asking random people. I said, "Did you see two little girls on a bicycle? He said "No". I said, "How long have you been here?" He said, "A long time."

I have never thought of this, but you are SO right. A little boy would have noticed two girls on one bicycle, but probably wouldn't have given a second thought to two girls each riding her own bike.

I hope someone with much better questioning skills spoke to this little boy.

 

[SapphireSteel]

At first I thought it was strange that Heather went directly to the police station rather than calling them, but then I wondered if perhaps LE received a lot calls from or about various members of this family. Maybe Heather felt it would be more effective to go directly to the police station, where she could speak directly to someone in charge and make sure that action was taken right away. Also, while driving to the police station, I imagine she was using her cell phone to keep in touch with Tammy, Wylma and Misty about their search for the girls. JMO

Hadn't they already called the police, when Lyric went "missing" before? Perhaps she thought they would be taken more seriously if she went in this time.

:welcome4: to SierraShelby!!!!!!

<modsnip> - what time do you estimate you saw the bikes, and were they tossed or propped neatly?

Thank you so much!!!

 

[nikkiw319]

I don't remember, what is the "depot" and where is it located? TIA

The depot is a stop in gilbertville along the bike trail. It used to be a train depot years ago. It's now only open for bathroom access.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I have never thought of this, but you are SO right. A little boy would have noticed two girls on one bicycle, but probably wouldn't have given a second thought to two girls each riding her own bike.

I hope someone with much better questioning skills spoke to this little boy.

IIRC there were two people in the lake, a paddle boater and the fishing boy.

I believe that only Aunt Tammy saw them and LE were never able to trace them.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

:cow:

 

[JaimeInLA]

Hadn't they already called the police, when Lyric went "missing" before? Perhaps she thought they would be taken more seriously if she went in this time.

:welcome4: to SierraShelby!!!!!!

Mr G - what time do you estimate you saw the bikes, and were they tossed or propped neatly?

Thank you so much!!!

Yes, but that was in Waterloo, not Evansdale.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yes, but that was in Waterloo, not Evansdale.

I thought they were both covered by Black Hawk County Police?


:waitasec:

 

[JaimeInLA]

IIRC there were two people in the lake, a man who saw two girls riding west and the fishing boy.

I believe that only Aunt Tammy saw them and LE were never able to trace them.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

:cow:

I corrected it for you above. :innocent:

We have NO idea where the paddle boater came from, why they wanted to talk to him, or if he is the same man Tammy says she spoke to. But yes -- she says she spoke to 2 witnesses at the lake, and neither have ever been acknowledged by LE.

 

[nursebeeme]

reminder: you may refer to verified insiders via their screen names. Please and thank you.

 

[Bootsctr]

Yes, but that was in Waterloo, not Evansdale.

Right, and it was Aunt Tammy's daughter with Lyric, not Elizabeth so Heather probably was not involved at all with Lyric's first disappearance.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I corrected it for you above. :innocent:

We have NO idea where the paddle boater came from, why they wanted to talk to him, or if he is the same man Tammy says she spoke to. But yes -- she says she spoke to 2 witnesses at the lake, and neither have ever been acknowledged by LE.

Personally I think Aunt Tammy may be the one who got her days "mixed up". I doubt those two witnesses were ever there, they would have found them by now.

:cow:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Right, and it was Aunt Tammy's daughter with Lyric, not Elizabeth so Heather probably was not involved at all with Lyric's first disappearance.

I don't think it really matters, but I believe all 3 were present when Heather went to LE...in fact, all 4 of them if you include Wylma.

Perhaps they all thought it would be easier just to drive to LE to report them missing this time.

:cow:

 

[Marilynilpa]

I'm not a local but I do know that Meyer's Lake is filled with leeches.

Do people jetski in waters that have leeches? If so, do they call themselves "snack food"?

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[otto]

there was a guy got out of his vehicle and started walking at the depot then i seen, when i returned he left as i did. there was two people fishing on north west corner of the lake . a vehicle pulled in as i was leaving the parking lot of the lake then a few cars on laff that about it

Thanks. It sounds like the lake and parking lot were fairly deserted. Would you agree?