IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #29

[SapphireSteel]

There is nothing new about people injecting themselves into police investigations. Perhaps there's a psychological disorder that has been named for this odd behavior, but I have no idea what it is.

More likely ... the cyclist has his days mixed up.

So how do you explain away his daughter?

Folie a deux?

Hereditary memory loss?

:floorlaugh:

 

[SapphireSteel]

This from a poster, way back in the day -

01-02-2013, 02:28 AM
janie
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 61

Quote:
Originally Posted by GrainneDhu
If you are referring to TG, it was my understanding that he didn't call his daughter to report seeing the bicycles on the trail, he called to talk to her about something else.

The reason the phone call was important was that his cell phone log gave him a firm time shortly after he'd seen the bicycles.

I am a member of a site similar to the site, one that allows sleuthing of witnesses

TG and his daughter visited the site after hearing that someone had been sleuthing him not only online, but had tresspassed on his propery, took photos, and had posted them.

The daughter was devasted and claimed she was so distraught she couldn't sleep. She came to the site first to explain and then answered member questions. In my opinion, she was not treated respectfully. She eventually went to LE in person and also contacted the FBI to get advice about the sleuthing of her father.

TG eventually joined and answered questions. I feel he was very tranparent not trying to hide anything. He offered to let people come to his property and knock on his door in lieu of sleuthing him. He said they can look anywhere on his property.

He stated he drove to the Gilbertville Depot with his bike on a rack and biked from that point. He also stated he called LE on Saturday about seeing the bikes and followed up in person on Monday when he was again on the trail and saw LE there.
He has been 100 cooperative with LE according to his daughter.


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Appalling. And cautionary. Ms G was upset enough to involve the FBI so I'd be very careful about dismissing Mr G as a fame hungry fantasist or "mistaken".

 

[BunnyHop]

When there is a scheduled auction, many buyers attend. They will park wherever they find a spot. Front, back, wherever. If they are serious buyers, they will park wherever it's easiest to load their vehicles. Much depends on each auction house and how they load. I speak from experience.

Auctions are scheduled. The rest of the time, the house is loading and preparing for said schedules. The only people that would come in "ahead of time", are serious buyers looking over auction items.

Sorry to quote myself here. All auctions are scheduled. Many times goods are posted ahead of time online to view. Sometimes weekly, monthly or every 2 weeks. The rest of the time the house is picking through "estates". By estates I mean that when the elderly pass on, often times the family will call an auction house to come and take the contents. That is just one example. They need trucks and men to clean up the goods. Sometimes there are serious collectors looking for specific items.

The auction houses need able bodied men to load and unload---part timers trying to make a buck.

As I said, I am an antique dealer and been to many auctions. Some are quite "unsavory". As a buyer, I would arrive 1 or 2 hours early to view the goods. I would often stay late into the night to get the best deals after everyone went home. This auction house IMHO doesn't look half bad. :twocents:

 

[Marilynilpa]

Obviously you can assume what you like.

I am assuming that when he came on WS to defend himself he was telling the truth, as was his daughter and I will continue to assume that until I see something other than opinion to prove the opposite.

You are very steadfast in your position, so I assume you have no problems with fitting his sighting into the various times released by LE.

Have you shared your timeline? I imagine you have, but I can't seem to find it quickly. I'd be interested in seeing your times. If you've already done this, could you let me know if it was on this or a previous thread - I'd like to find it. TIA

What is your opinion as to how TG's sighting fits into a timeline that includes the confirmed or possible sighting times released by LE? This is where I have problems with TG's sighting - I can't see how it fits in.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Considering it was midday, perhaps he works in town and takes his exercise at the park at lunch?

Seems like kind of a long lunch time, IMO. And he rides often - he must have an understanding employer/partner. JMO

 

[BunnyHop]

Instead of nit-picking, I would like to post my questions if I may.

Who does not have a solid alibi? Who had something to gain?

Who went off (missing and why?) a week or so earlier?

Who's a "blabbermouth"? Sorry, humor here--(forgive me)word of the week at work. :floorlaugh:

 

[Bootsctr]

I remember the daughter posting at BOC too.

 

[cindersoot]

The cyclist stated on this forum that he was unable to describe the bikes.

I'm sure that the police timeline has absolutely nothing to do with the cyclist.

He was unable to describe the bikes? You mean color and etc?

 

[SapphireSteel]

He was unable to describe the bikes? You mean color and etc?

He said they were "children's bikes", also that LE did not tell him if they were the girls or not.

 

[tlcya]

oh he** no.

Backing out.

maybe I will check in tomorrow.

lol

 

[Bootsctr]

He said they were "children's bikes", also that LE did not tell him if they were the girls or not.

Was Aunt Tammy's bike a child's bike?

 

[cindersoot]

He said they were "children's bikes", also that LE did not tell him if they were the girls or not.

I remember somewhere I think it was the aunt who said she gave her bike to Lyric? So it would be an adult bike, right?

 

[SapphireSteel]

You are very steadfast in your position, so I assume you have no problems with fitting his sighting into the various times released by LE.

Have you shared your timeline? I imagine you have, but I can't seem to find it quickly. I'd be interested in seeing your times. If you've already done this, could you let me know if it was on this or a previous thread - I'd like to find it. TIA

What is your opinion as to how TG's sighting fits into a timeline that includes the confirmed or possible sighting times released by LE? This is where I have problems with TG's sighting - I can't see how it fits in.

Here it is -

The time TG saw the bikes was always "around 12.20".

That could easily mean 12.26, ie, another six minutes for what happened to have happened.

All we need is the bikes to get from Brovan to the Lake. 12.11 - 12.26 is 25 minutes, plenty of time.

12.15 - 12.26 is 11 minutes, also plenty of time.

12.15 - 12.23 is 8 minutes...which is exactly the time it would take two little girls to bike that distance.

12.15 - 12.20 is 5 minutes - exactly the amount of time it would take someone in a car to pick the girls up, throw their bikes in the boot, and have two teenage accomplices place them at the park and stroll away.

Or perhaps to already be "fishing" at the lake waiting for the mastermind to drive up with his prey, palm the bikes off for the staging, and keep going.

:cow:

Just as you have problems with fitting the timing in, I have problems seeing how it doesn't fit.

What exactly is it that makes the above so unlikely, in your mind?

 

[Sere-nity]

Here it is -



Just as you have problems with fitting the timing in, I have problems seeing how it doesn't fit.

What exactly is it that makes the above so unlikely, in your mind?

So are you and I in agreement that the 12:23 time on Brovan is the red herring?

 

[cindersoot]

Was Aunt Tammy's bike a child's bike?

Ya beat me to the punch.:rocker:

 

[cindersoot]

Considering it was midday, perhaps he works in town and takes his exercise at the park at lunch?

Nope.

 

[SapphireSteel]

So are you and I in agreement that the 12:23 time on Brovan is the red herring?

Yes but maybe not. The sighting on Brovan was of the girls. The sighting at the lake by TG was of two bikes.

As far as I know, LE has never confirmed the Brovan sighting, either, so it belongs in the same arena as TG's sighting as it is just as likely to be "made up" by someone trying to "insert themselves into the investigation".

The only difference is, we don't know the 12.23 witnesses name, so he/she's not being doubted or sleuthed.

Also I am mindful of the fact that TG never claimed to have sighted the girls, or even the girls bikes .

He merely claimed to have swerved past two childrens bikes on that path at that time.

That's it. He sighted two bikes...yet for this he is being dismissed and doubted.

Could the girls be on their bikes in one part of town and two random bikes be dumped in another part of town at the same time?

Obviously the answer is YES.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Nope.

How do you know?

 

[cindersoot]

If this case is ever cracked and it's proved that the bikes were staged I will eat my socks. No I will eat my husbands socks and believe me that's bad.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Here it is -



Just as you have problems with fitting the timing in, I have problems seeing how it doesn't fit.

What exactly is it that makes the above so unlikely, in your mind?

Do you believe that Mr C saw the girls between 12-3?