IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #29

[cindersoot]

The cyclist that went to the media to discuss his bike ride around Meyers Lake on July 13 said that he was at one side of the lake at 12:20 and at the other side at 12:28. He did not stop to do anything during his trip around the lake.

That means that it took him eight minutes to make the trip around the lake. He's not 90 years old, he does have arms and he was riding a racing bike. I don't see any reason to doubt his claim about how long it took him to cycle halfway around the lake. In thinking about it, it might actually be a stretch of about a mile ... it's 0.76 miles to travel half way around the lake.

It took me 8 minutes on a mountain bike to ride from Collins house to the lake across town, so there is no way it would take 8 minutes to ride from the gate to the parking lot. More like 3 minutes.

 

[otto]

It took me 8 minutes on a mountain bike to ride from Collins house to the lake across town, so there is no way it would take 8 minutes to ride from the gate to the parking lot. More like 3 minutes.

If you cycled from the drainage pipe, along the Evansdale Nature Trail to Lafayette and then via Sipple to Brovan, then you cycled 1.6 miles in 8 minutes. The average cycling speed of an 8-10 year old child is 8.9 miles per hour (correction).

So ... about 9 minutes per mile.

 

[Reverie]

If I was a family member, and if it was affordable, I would really be considering hiring a private investigator. I don't think it would hurt and it might bring some new suspects to light. I believe the family has complete confidence in LE, but I do not think bringing in a PI would not be inappropriate. Maybe there are some retired LE in the area that would love a chance to investigate this case ? Just wanting some resolution for our girls! :heartbeat: And the community too! Can't imagine how tortuous this must be for the community as well asthe families. :banghead:

Yes Boots, torturous is an understatement.

IMO, this (hiring a PI)would be yet another productive way to spend those fundraising dollars.:moo:

A new gazebo will do nothing to get justice for Lyric and Elizabeth. :moo:

 

[Aymstriss]

It has been a few years since I walked the path along Meyers Lake, but I just have a hard time believing that it takes 8 minutes for a person to ride a bike around it. It is really not that big of an area.

 

[otto]

It has been a few years since I walked the path along Meyers Lake, but I just have a hard time believing that it takes 8 minutes for a person to ride a bike around it. It is really not that big of an area.

It's 0.76 miles, so if Cindersoot cycled 1.7 miles in 8 minutes, it should be possible to cycle half that distance in 4 minutes ... so 0.76 miles in about 3 minutes.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Yes Boots, torturous is an understatement.

IMO, this (hiring a PI)would be yet another productive way to spend those fundraising dollars.:moo:

A new gazebo will do nothing to get justice for Lyric and Elizabeth. :moo:

I'd be willing to bet there's a good private investigator who would take on this case for nothing more than the publicity he would gain. I know in other cases, investigators have worked for free. JMO

 

[Just Pat 22]

Regarding whether someone that lives near the lake was part of the door to door police canvas, we know that if people lived on the East end of the lake, they were canvassed and if they lived West of the lake, they were not. I don't think any conclusions can be drawn about whether police really did a door to door canvas when comparing one neighborhood to another. Police did canvas the neighborhood where the children were last seen.

If a house was vacant, can we assume that police simply acknowledged that no one lived there and moved on? I really doubt it. If a house was vacant, it was more likely given special attention.

All of the sex offenders in the area were interviewed ... we know that. The interviews started on July 13.

If you are curious about which districts were canvassed and how thorough police were, email them. Maybe they'll release that information.

I wonder if they searched TG house?

 

[otto]

It sounds like Cindersoot was travelling at 14 mph to make the 1.67 trip in 8 minutes. The average adult cycling speed is 9.7 mph. The cyclist that spoke to the media would have been travelling at 6 miles per hour if it took him 8 minutes to cycle 0.76 miles.

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t189/zed0101/?action=view&current=cyclingspeedchildren.jpg

 

[otto]

I wonder if they searched TG house?

I wouldn't think so. He doesn't appear to have any connection to this case other than the fact that he spoke to the media about the case a few days after the children were abducted.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Cycling speeds and RSO checks are totally irrelevant if the girls never got to the lake in the first place, and were not sexually assaulted.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Cycling speeds and RSO checks are totally irrelevant if the girls never got to the lake in the first place, and were not sexually assaulted.

That's true, but they are relevant if you feel the girls DID make it to the lake or if you feel the perp was a registered sex offender.

IMO, the girls did make it to the lake so cycling speeds are of interest to me.

 

[Tennlyn]

That's true, but they are relevant if you feel the girls DID make it to the lake or if you feel the perp was a registered sex offender.

IMO, the girls did make it to the lake so cycling speeds are of interest to me.

And sadly I believe this was a sex crime, so looking at RSOs is important. MOO

I also hope they've done familial DNA searches if there was any DNA recovered, but I'm not sure how far back Iowa's DNA records for RSOs go. So that may be moot. (I'm interested in the 20-something son of an RSO.) MOO

 

[cindersoot]

It has been a few years since I walked the path along Meyers Lake, but I just have a hard time believing that it takes 8 minutes for a person to ride a bike around it. It is really not that big of an area.

:yourock:

 

[Aymstriss]

Thank you

 

[cindersoot]

It sounds like Cindersoot was travelling at 14 mph to make the 1.67 trip in 8 minutes. The average adult cycling speed is 9.7 mph. The cyclist that spoke to the media would have been travelling at 6 miles per hour if it took him 8 minutes to cycle 0.76 miles.

http://s160.photobucket.com/albums/t189/zed0101/?action=view&current=cyclingspeedchildren.jpg

GEEZ! What do you think I'm making it up?:banghead: There is no dam average.

 

[otto]

GEEZ! What do you think I'm making it up?:banghead: There is no dam average.

I'm looking at distances, times, adults, children and bikes because I'm curious. There are statistics regarding the average speeds of cycling children and adults.

Children (age 13 and younger) average cycling speed: 8.9 mph
Adults (age 14 and older) averate cycling speed: 9.7 mph

Based on distances, and times, it's possible to determine whether children and adults are cycling faster or slower than the average.

It seems that the cyclist was cyling much slower than the average adult, you were cycling much faster than the average adult, and I don't think that there's any way that the children could have cycled to the drainage pipe at the lake in 8 minutes ... although that is rather irrelevant since police have said that 8 minutes after they were seen on video they were still on Brovan, and 8 minutes after that they were somewhere around Elmer/Gilbert/Arbutus.

 

[Aymstriss]

The speed that a person rides, I would think, really depends on the purpose of the ride....trying to get somewhere, leisure, exercise...etc .

 

[otto]

The children were last seen on Brovan at 12:23, and they were last seen on video heading West. The next location we have for the children is Elmer/Gilbert/Arbutus and we have an eyewitness sighting on Lake Avenue. We know where the bikes were found.

They had to travel 1.65 miles to get from point A to B.

 

[otto]

The speed that a person rides, I would think, really depends on the purpose of the ride....trying to get somewhere, leisure, exercise...etc .

I'm looking at average speeds of recreational cyclists ... as far as we know, both the cyclist that spoke to the media and the children were recreationally cycling.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1067763/?page=1

 

[Aymstriss]

I guess the "average speed" really doesn't mean much to me because depending on the "reason" for the bike ride the speed could change dramatically.

:moo: