IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #29

[cindersoot]

Does anyone know if there were any attempted abductions before the girls abduction? It seems very strange to me that after the fact there were and still are numerous attempts all over Iowa.

 

[BunnyHop]

:floorlaugh: :jail:

The 12:23 sighting on Brovan released by LE is what's throwing me for a loop. Not because of the certain witness, but because the girls were apparently right outside their house, Heather was home at 12:00...and did not, or had not seen them since she got home and became worried at 1!

If they were still on Brovan at 12:23, why would Grandma or Heather have needed to be worried if either of them had gone out and looked/yelled for them? They would have seen them.

The camera caught them on that street, and unless I'm crazy...that road certainly isn't long enough that you couldn't see the intersection at the end of the street.

Yep, Fishy to me. :seeya:

 

[threecrazykids]

I'm sure that if there was anything to check out, they would have. I think I might be missing your point here. What makes you think he wasn't checked? It sounds like you think the police would have some right to stop him from posting his poetry??? Or did I misread that?

We are in agreement. You got my point. No, I'm not saying police would STOP him from writing his poetry. I'm saying that IF this poetry he writes is somehow related to some sort of disturbing "confession" or "connection" to these girls deaths, that LE would have arrested him and the poetry would stop because he'd be in jail.

It sounds like (per Daisy) that tons of people are onto this guy and have reported it. He's still posting, so clearly he's not behind bars. If LE was notified and there WAS some sort of connection he wouldn't still be posting. :seeya:

 

[foxbluff]

There's nothing illegal about being a really bad poet...

I don't know how a simple, true statement could tickle me so, but it does!

Perhaps it just takes me back to high school English when the teacher insisted that everybody write an original poem A N D read it out loud in front of the class. I told my mother there should be a law against that! :floorlaugh:

 

[carbuff]

We are in agreement. You got my point. No, I'm not saying police would STOP him from writing his poetry. I'm saying that IF this poetry he writes is somehow related to some sort of disturbing "confession" or "connection" to these girls deaths, that LE would have arrested him and the poetry would stop because he'd be in jail.

It sounds like (per Daisy) that tons of people are onto this guy and have reported it. He's still posting, so clearly he's not behind bars. If LE was notified and there WAS some sort of connection he wouldn't still be posting. :seeya:

Okay, gotcha! Thanks for clearing that up.

He does sound like a deeply disturbed individual, though it could also be just posing for attention, or even venting...

 

[cindersoot]

We are in agreement. You got my point. No, I'm not saying police would STOP him from writing his poetry. I'm saying that IF this poetry he writes is somehow related to some sort of disturbing "confession" or "connection" to these girls deaths, that LE would have arrested him and the poetry would stop because he'd be in jail.

It sounds like (per Daisy) that tons of people are onto this guy and have reported it. He's still posting, so clearly he's not behind bars. If LE was notified and there WAS some sort of connection he wouldn't still be posting. :seeya:

Jmo, but as long as this sick poet gets attention, he will keep on with his very disturbing poems if you can call them that.

 

[BunnyHop]

No I don't know. That's why I asked. It's hard to tell from the pics if they are clearing the entire island or just room for the gazebo. Hopefully a local can let us know or the media will keep posting pics for us.

LE has cleared no one in this case. So I agree the memorial should be done after an arrest is made, or at least after family is cleared.

I would like to know where those pictures came from......... source
with editorials. TIA

 

[BunnyHop]

I've said it before but wouldn't Heather want justice? Wouldn't she want the other children in the community to be safe? As long as this creep is out there, no child is safe.

If it was my child, I would want to know. Then I would take a stand. I would stand for justice. :rocker:

 

[foxbluff]

What is the deal with this guy? LE can hunt down people using IP addresses all the time. Have they checked this guy out? If not...they must not feel there is anything there connecting him to this crime. I'm baffled this craigslist guy has rambled on for months and LE hasn't done anything (that we/you know of) if there is really an obvious connection.

I agree LE wouldn't have any trouble tracking the poet down.

Is there a possibility that LE is watching the poet, needing him to keep talking... trying to "give him enough rope to hang himself?" IDK.

 

[cindersoot]

If it was my child, I would want to know. Then I would take a stand. I would stand for justice. :rocker:

All I keep hearing is how the Collins are such God fearing people and how they live by faith and forgiveness, and thats wonderful but being a God fearing person also means caring for thy neighbor. Forgive the killer, but don't sit back and wait for God to dish out justice. God gave us brains to do that.

 

[carbuff]

I've said it before but wouldn't Heather want justice? Wouldn't she want the other children in the community to be safe? As long as this creep is out there, no child is safe.

Maybe she's afraid it will be somebody she knows and she can't bear to face it.

 

[foxbluff]

I am 95% sure wh the Craigs List poet is,,,
If this is correct the Craigs list Poets Birthday is

10/13/1973


If you go back you go backwards to las week you will see his record on there
I do not want to say his name until the 5% is confirmed.
People are really after the poet because they (and me )
Think that there could be something to it.
If it is true that this person is the poe
He is a friend on Heathers facebook
they went to the same school.
his initials are K.D.
The Craigs List poet's name is ((Kd))
on his poetry site his name is Kingdom-darkness
Click on read poems by kingdom-darkenss.

http://deepundergroundpoetry.com/poets/Kingdom-darkness/

http://waterloo.craigslist.org/rnr/

Way to go... you've really been doing your homework!

I've been so pushed for time in the last couple of weeks that I don't even have time here to download links which have been provided right in a post. Grrh...

Can you, or anybody here (w/out going to a bunch of trouble), tell me if this poet started posting poems around the time the girls went missing or was he a longtime contributor? TY!

 

[iamnotagolem]

We are in agreement. You got my point. No, I'm not saying police would STOP him from writing his poetry. I'm saying that IF this poetry he writes is somehow related to some sort of disturbing "confession" or "connection" to these girls deaths, that LE would have arrested him and the poetry would stop because he'd be in jail.

It sounds like (per Daisy) that tons of people are onto this guy and have reported it. He's still posting, so clearly he's not behind bars. If LE was notified and there WAS some sort of connection he wouldn't still be posting. :seeya:

I agree with you. I think if someone is posting publicly that they've been looked into, especially after the number of people who have called LE about it. But honestly, I'm sure the FBI looked into him before they got the first tip.

I really worry that LE gets more "I saw on the Internet" tips than "my husband was unaccounted for 6 hours that day" tips.

 

[BunnyHop]

All I keep hearing is how the Collins are such God fearing people and how they live by faith and forgiveness, and thats wonderful but being a God fearing person also means caring for thy neighbor. Forgive the killer, but don't sit back and wait for God to dish out justice. God gave us brains to do that.

Wonkey to me, just saying...... :twocents:

 

[iamnotagolem]

I know the statistical likelihood for a stranger abduction is quite low, but obviously it does happen. I just don't know what to think in this case. Nothing makes sense. With that I include statistics for those interested.

1. Yearly around 750,000 children are reported missing in the United States, around 2,000 every day.

2. Most of these are runaways or kids taken by a family member.

3. Around 100 children are abducted and murdered in the U.S. each year. Around 60% of all child-murder abductions are at the hands of someone the child knows, not a stranger.

4. In around 75% of all murder-abductions, the child is believed to be dead within 3-6 hours of the abduction.

5. Nearly all murdered children are killed by a family member, most often a parent.

6. Most murdered children are not killed by pedophiles or sex-offenders, but by physical abusers, drug addicts, drug dealers, alcoholics, sadists (those who kill for thrill), and lain old otherwise ordinary people.

7. For every successful stranger abduction, there are many more failed attempts. It's hard to know the exact number, as many cases are disregarded by parents and never reported, and record keeping is spotty at best. But based on our own monitoring of news reports, we would estimate around 20 failed attempts for every successful abduction. So while only around 100 children are kidnapped and murdered each year (most by friends and family), countless others are tested! Make sure your child is prepared.

8. Women are the culprits in 68% of all child abduction cases worldwide.

9. Seven in ten children will walk away with a stranger despite being warned, according to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. This is because merely telling kids "don't talk to strangers" isn't enough. They need more substantial training in stranger danger.

http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/abduction-murder.asp

 

[BunnyHop]

No I don't know. That's why I asked. It's hard to tell from the pics if they are clearing the entire island or just room for the gazebo. Hopefully a local can let us know or the media will keep posting pics for us.

LE has cleared no one in this case. So I agree the memorial should be done after an arrest is made, or at least after family is cleared.

I would like to see a source for the pics and link to article.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I know the statistical likelihood for a stranger abduction is quite low, but obviously it does happen. I just don't know what to think in this case. Nothing makes sense. With that I include statistics for those interested.

1. Yearly around 750,000 children are reported missing in the United States, around 2,000 every day.

2. Most of these are runaways or kids taken by a family member.

3. Around 100 children are abducted and murdered in the U.S. each year. Around 60% of all child-murder abductions are at the hands of someone the child knows, not a stranger.

4. In around 75% of all murder-abductions, the child is believed to be dead within 3-6 hours of the abduction.

5. Nearly all murdered children are killed by a family member, most often a parent.

6. Most murdered children are not killed by pedophiles or sex-offenders, but by physical abusers, drug addicts, drug dealers, alcoholics, sadists (those who kill for thrill), and lain old otherwise ordinary people.

7. For every successful stranger abduction, there are many more failed attempts. It's hard to know the exact number, as many cases are disregarded by parents and never reported, and record keeping is spotty at best. But based on our own monitoring of news reports, we would estimate around 20 failed attempts for every successful abduction. So while only around 100 children are kidnapped and murdered each year (most by friends and family), countless others are tested! Make sure your child is prepared.

8. Women are the culprits in 68% of all child abduction cases worldwide.

9. Seven in ten children will walk away with a stranger despite being warned, according to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. This is because merely telling kids "don't talk to strangers" isn't enough. They need more substantial training in stranger danger.

http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/abduction-murder.asp

 

[iamnotagolem]

This image is from the Concert for the Angels facebook page. I have been trying to find the overall plan for the park renovation for a couple of weeks and all I can come up with is that there isn't an approved park plan, but there is an approved park renovation. This image further confirms my understanding that there is no plan

In reading comments under articles related to the renovation, it seems that there is a lot of controversy surrounding this renovation.

I would like to see a source for the pics and link to article.

I would like to know where those pictures came from......... source
with editorials. TIA

Here is the original post with pictures, it's in this thread a few pages back.

 

[threecrazykids]

I know the statistical likelihood for a stranger abduction is quite low, but obviously it does happen. I just don't know what to think in this case. Nothing makes sense. With that I include statistics for those interested.

1. Yearly around 750,000 children are reported missing in the United States, around 2,000 every day.

2. Most of these are runaways or kids taken by a family member.

3. Around 100 children are abducted and murdered in the U.S. each year. Around 60% of all child-murder abductions are at the hands of someone the child knows, not a stranger.

4. In around 75% of all murder-abductions, the child is believed to be dead within 3-6 hours of the abduction.

5. Nearly all murdered children are killed by a family member, most often a parent.

6. Most murdered children are not killed by pedophiles or sex-offenders, but by physical abusers, drug addicts, drug dealers, alcoholics, sadists (those who kill for thrill), and lain old otherwise ordinary people.

7. For every successful stranger abduction, there are many more failed attempts. It's hard to know the exact number, as many cases are disregarded by parents and never reported, and record keeping is spotty at best. But based on our own monitoring of news reports, we would estimate around 20 failed attempts for every successful abduction. So while only around 100 children are kidnapped and murdered each year (most by friends and family), countless others are tested! Make sure your child is prepared.

8. Women are the culprits in 68% of all child abduction cases worldwide.

9. Seven in ten children will walk away with a stranger despite being warned, according to the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children. This is because merely telling kids "don't talk to strangers" isn't enough. They need more substantial training in stranger danger.

http://www.keepyourchildsafe.org/abduction-murder.asp

For the love of all that is Holy...I did NOT know this. :what:

 

[BunnyHop]

Here is the original post with pictures, it's in this thread a few pages back.

Thanks so much, is there a link?