May have to eat my words but I don't think this is the guy. Still think it was sexually motivated, someone who had tried and failed a few times and became frustrated so he kept trying. It's possible LE didn't take notice into looking into this guy because they spent way to much time speculating it was drug related as did many people. Some on here do not even think it was even sexually motivated, maybe LE felt the same way? I won't be a bit surprised it this guy knew who did this, or heard rumors from others in his circle of friends.
IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #31
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Nope.
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As far as MK being a suspect, I'm still up in the air. There is certainly a glaring possibility, but there are still a lot of unanswered questions. 
If any successful prints would have been lifted from the bikes or bodies they would have hit on MK's immediately. He's in the system, and prints are mandatory. It should have hit on him right away.
DNA could take awhile though.
I am more open to the possibility of the bikes being staged at the lake if MK is involved. He could have worn gloves, etc. and no prints would have been left behind. I don't think it's a requirement that he staged them though - they could have just as easily ridden there after being told to go there. I haven't yet forgotten the RUMOR of the Fareway workers who said they stopped by and asked for directions to Meyer's Lake. Maybe he met them closer to home and told them to meet him at the lake - he possibly parked on Maiden Lane and the girls walked from the back of the trail...through the wooded area...right to his truck.
Still not 100% sold on the idea...but I suppose it's possible.
If any successful prints would have been lifted from the bikes or bodies they would have hit on MK's immediately. He's in the system, and prints are mandatory. It should have hit on him right away.
DNA could take awhile though.
I am more open to the possibility of the bikes being staged at the lake if MK is involved. He could have worn gloves, etc. and no prints would have been left behind. I don't think it's a requirement that he staged them though - they could have just as easily ridden there after being told to go there. I haven't yet forgotten the RUMOR of the Fareway workers who said they stopped by and asked for directions to Meyer's Lake. Maybe he met them closer to home and told them to meet him at the lake - he possibly parked on Maiden Lane and the girls walked from the back of the trail...through the wooded area...right to his truck.
Still not 100% sold on the idea...but I suppose it's possible.
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Of course none of can say one way or another that MK is the that killed Lizzie and Lyric but seeing his history kind of helps make the random abduction/crime of opportunity scenario in the L&L case look more plausible to me.
MK seems to be the type that plans a little bit but does not care who is victims are. Random girl outside the bathroom, random woman driving her car, random girls outside his apartment...
I can see him sitting at Meyer's Lake just waiting to see who showed up, all the while knowing that whoever got into his vehicle was going to end up hurt or dead at 7 Bridges. As he sat, 2 girls came by on bicycle and he was able to convince them that they should allow him to drive them home or whatever story might have worked. From there, with victims in tow, he headed straight to 7 Bridges as planned.
I had trouble visualizing a scenario like that before I read about MK because I assumed that the perp would have planned more. But maybe not... maybe the perp really was just waiting and L&L were in the wrong place at the wrong time
MK seems to be the type that plans a little bit but does not care who is victims are. Random girl outside the bathroom, random woman driving her car, random girls outside his apartment...
I can see him sitting at Meyer's Lake just waiting to see who showed up, all the while knowing that whoever got into his vehicle was going to end up hurt or dead at 7 Bridges. As he sat, 2 girls came by on bicycle and he was able to convince them that they should allow him to drive them home or whatever story might have worked. From there, with victims in tow, he headed straight to 7 Bridges as planned.
I had trouble visualizing a scenario like that before I read about MK because I assumed that the perp would have planned more. But maybe not... maybe the perp really was just waiting and L&L were in the wrong place at the wrong time
Of course none of can say one way or another that MK is the that killed Lizzie and Lyric but seeing his history kind of helps make the random abduction/crime of opportunity scenario in the L&L case look more plausible to me.
MK seems to be the type that plans a little bit but does not care who is victims are. Random girl outside the bathroom, random woman driving her car, random girls outside his apartment...
I can see him sitting at Meyer's Lake just waiting to see who showed up, all the while knowing that whoever got into his vehicle was going to end up hurt or dead at 7 Bridges. As he sat, 2 girls came by on bicycle and he was able to convince them that they should allow him to drive them home or whatever story might have worked. From there, with victims in tow, he headed straight to 7 Bridges as planned.
I had trouble visualizing a scenario like that before I read about MK because I assumed that the perp would have planned more. But maybe not... maybe the perp really was just waiting and L&L were in the wrong place at the wrong time
That seems to fit.
Or, the abduction was in town (alley behind the bar?) and he drove to
Meyer's Lake with the girls and planted the bikes and purse there to throw
investigators off. He may have even let the girls get out and play briefly
before summoning them back to his truck on some pretext - that would
account for their presence at the lake.
Klunder is turning out to be a person with good avoidance skills, after his
abductions. What he does during the first phase of his abductions is a little
screwed up and exposed - then when he is running he makes quick
decisive judgements and covers a lot of ground, fast, before people can
catch up. He always tries to stay a step ahead while he has the
advantage - he looked for the girl who escaped but didn't stop to chase
her down or risk an encounter with any neighbor. His primary task was
personal escape and getting rid of evidence (which may have included
a body) ?
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I think MK would have expressed a morbid curiosity about L&L's case. . . to someone. In some ways, he does fit the idea of whom I think would have murdered the girls. Still I feel the real killer is right there in Evansdale still getting away with it. I am prayng LE are questioning all his family members, friends and neighbors about him. I want them to be asking where MK was on July 13, 2012. I hope they are testing anything they have available for DNA. And, if it was MK, 3CK is right, where are the fingerprints? Did he have that much forethought to have gloves if L&L's abduction and murder were just a consequence of the girls being in the wrong place at the wrong time? Being that he worked with livestock, he probably had a pair of gloves in his vehicle at all times.
His SO photo just creeps me out! Last updated in January 2013 and he looks like he is on cloud 9 in that photo. WTH is so happy about having to get their photo taken because they are a freak and outcast of society??? He makes my skin crawl. . . and that is even with him dead.
His SO photo just creeps me out! Last updated in January 2013 and he looks like he is on cloud 9 in that photo. WTH is so happy about having to get their photo taken because they are a freak and outcast of society??? He makes my skin crawl. . . and that is even with him dead.
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A thought occurs. Pretty out there but hey, with so little to go on I figure I will throw it out there.
SOs when they are in jail are sometimes afforded opportunities to participate in programs meant to "rehabilitate" them. Like that MK fellow. He was involved in some such program. I would assume that those types of programs involve interacting with others who are incarcerated and share their "problem".
When incarcerated I would think that like attracts like. People tend to gravitate toward others they see as similar. Grew up in the same areas, had similar interests, whatever.
What if MK had a friend, who was still local to the E'dale, Waterloo area?
Just speculating - I have never thought there was more than one perp involved with our girls, but others have felt there may have been two. Just thinking out loud.
SOs when they are in jail are sometimes afforded opportunities to participate in programs meant to "rehabilitate" them. Like that MK fellow. He was involved in some such program. I would assume that those types of programs involve interacting with others who are incarcerated and share their "problem".
When incarcerated I would think that like attracts like. People tend to gravitate toward others they see as similar. Grew up in the same areas, had similar interests, whatever.
What if MK had a friend, who was still local to the E'dale, Waterloo area?
Just speculating - I have never thought there was more than one perp involved with our girls, but others have felt there may have been two. Just thinking out loud.
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He had a friend on his FB page that lived right on River Forest Road in Evansdale and was a RSO. If the girls were indeed riding "away from the lake" as stated in the video - they were headed towards River Forest Road. Also the SAME road that the "white van" at Casey's was questioned...who ended up NOT being involved at all. But we know that LE had the tapes from Casey's so maybe MK's truck was caught on there as well??
I wonder if the focus on the River Forest route was because the girls were seen riding "away from the lake" OR was it because MK's friend TC lived right there on River Forest and was a RSO, or maybe a combination of both?? LE has stated that all RSO's in the area were cleared, but given MK's past, I'm not sure that really makes a difference anymore. Registered or not, evil walks among us.
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I don't think Klunder is the in the Evansdale case. He is too sloppy. I remember back in Dec. when the girls bodies were found and it read, ' partiality decomposed'. If Klunder was involved, then in my opinion only, the bodies would not be partiality decomposed but skeletal.
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I wasn't saying anything bad towards the poster. :truce:
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He had a friend on his FB page that lived right on River Forest Road in Evansdale and was a RSO. If the girls were indeed riding "away from the lake" as stated in the video - they were headed towards River Forest Road. Also the SAME road that the "white van" at Casey's was questioned...who ended up NOT being involved at all. But we know that LE had the tapes from Casey's so maybe MK's truck was caught on there as well??
I wonder if the focus on the River Forest route was because the girls were seen riding "away from the lake" OR was it because MK's friend TC lived right there on River Forest and was a RSO, or maybe a combination of both?? LE has stated that all RSO's in the area were cleared, but given MK's past, I'm not sure that really makes a difference anymore. Registered or not, evil walks among us.
Remember we don't know what MK was driving back in 2012. The truck he has now has paper plates so he must of just bought it.
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I must have missed where the girls were described as partially decomposed. Didn't we all spend months debating if the remains were skeletal, or more "intact" than that? That and debating if the girls remains had been there since they went missing or more recently.
Why would we have done that if we had some knowledge of the state of the remains? No snark, just its been so long maybe I am misremembering? :waitasec:
But I could swear the state of the remains was a huge discussion that we never really got answered.
Why would we have done that if we had some knowledge of the state of the remains? No snark, just its been so long maybe I am misremembering? :waitasec:
But I could swear the state of the remains was a huge discussion that we never really got answered.
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The KWWL report in the beginning said P decomposed. Some were saying that the report was speculating. I think the report was right because it was also said by a news reporter who was on the scene and had just spoken with a DCI agent.
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If there were no fingerprints on the bikes. Then where would they get fingerprints?
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BBM. Where did you read that?
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http://www.kwwl.com/story/20270787/...-found-may-be-related-to-missing-cousins-case
this link has the original press release from LE about two deceased bodies found by hunters
This raises doubt that the bodies were completely skeletonized for me so cindersoot you are probably right, probably partial decomposition.
The thing that confused the issue for me was when Heather made the "bones" statement which was going to be linked below but apparently that story is no longer available per this http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Eliz...e-206121971.html?img=1&mg=t&m=y&smobile=y&c=y
but a google search reveals the following when looking for the history of the story's existence https://www.google.com/search?q=her...s=chrome.0.57.7205j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 top story that comes up
ETAA that makes me wonder if Aben was purposefully using the term bodies to make the unsub think there may be more evidence to be gleaned and maybe Heather let a cat out of the bag maybe she wasn't supposed to? Curious why that story is now missing. Stories from much earlier are still in existence. :waitasec:
curious.
this link has the original press release from LE about two deceased bodies found by hunters
This raises doubt that the bodies were completely skeletonized for me so cindersoot you are probably right, probably partial decomposition.
The thing that confused the issue for me was when Heather made the "bones" statement which was going to be linked below but apparently that story is no longer available per this http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/Eliz...e-206121971.html?img=1&mg=t&m=y&smobile=y&c=y
but a google search reveals the following when looking for the history of the story's existence https://www.google.com/search?q=her...s=chrome.0.57.7205j0&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 top story that comes up
ETAA that makes me wonder if Aben was purposefully using the term bodies to make the unsub think there may be more evidence to be gleaned and maybe Heather let a cat out of the bag maybe she wasn't supposed to? Curious why that story is now missing. Stories from much earlier are still in existence. :waitasec:
curious.
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Very true - thank you! Hopefully LE can determine what he was driving back then just to be sure.
I agree with you that I'm not sold on the idea that MK is involved, he's too sloppy. However, for all we know there could have been a freezer or something at the hog facility that he could have put them in...even for MONTHS before he decided to drop them off at 7 bridges.
I just find it ironic that apparently LE has stated that they think they were killed within hours of their abduction (in some reports from the family) - yet LE was stating on the news weeks after that they "had reason to believe the girls were alive". Maybe the partial decomp was attributed to them being kept somewhere before their bodies were put at 7 bridges? Just throwing out different thoughts.
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As you mentioned in an earlier post, this was discussed at length. So, I'm confused. In my mind, we still don't know for sure what condition the bodies were found. I just don't know.
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