Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #37

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I don't know. I would love to hear the locals' opinion of why they think LE thinks the perp/s are following this story in the news. Also, curious of thoughts on the positioning of the girls' bodies...

Here's another link: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...llins-lyic-cook-morrissey-evansdale/30807291/

It mentions Evelyn Miller's case and her killer, Casey Frederickson, as a reason they're not releasing the COD on the girls.

It was pretty obvious that Frederickson was the perp from the beginning but the problem was no valid evidence. He lived in the same residence, so his DNA and fingerprints all belonged there. Her body had been dumped into the river, which tends to wash away forensic evidence. Sure, they could have charged him (and plenty of people wished LE would) but a first year law student could have successfully defended him at that point without losing more than a day in classes.

By keeping Evelyn's cause of death as closely held as possible, there was only one way for Frederickson to know she died of strangulation when he started talking to cellmates. It also served to validate that those conversations really happened because there was no way for his cellmates to know how she died except that Frederickson told them. And the cellmates were quickly cleared in the matter of the night Evelyn was abducted, leaving only one conclusion.

People talk about what they do. Some people tell everyone (hello Twitters and FBer's!), some only do it in quiet private conversations. Some people somehow elicit deep confidences from total strangers; my mama was like that and I was always amazed at what people would tell her in 5 minutes of conversation. I'm not talking about sports preferences, I'm talking about women confiding about their abortions before abortion was legal, men who thought maybe they were drinking too much and doing bad things when they were drunk and on and on. Maybe they sensed that my mama listened with compassion and sympathy, I don't know. I do know she helped a lot of people and even now, more than 4 years since she died, we are still hearing from people she helped.

Chances are, the person who did this will talk as well. Those who don't talk are in a minority. They may not confess but may say something casual like "Wow, I can't believe someone could knock those two little girls on the head like that." Not really a startling sentiment unless that is in fact the causes of death for our two girls. O.o

Someone out there needs to remember some such comment and realise that maybe it would help the case.
 
Hello 24Roses! :seeya: I completely agree with you too. Its sad that there was/is so much dysfunction in the families. Misty was swimming with far bigger fish than Dan. Yet, I cannot shake the feeling it was someone familiar with Elizabeth's family, either through church, school or perhaps helping Drew part-time - someone the family may have helped. Or maybe it was someone who watched them from afar and came to know the girls' patterns during the summer. Again, could be overthinking the situation, and it's just a creep who happened to be at Meyers Lake and the girls were at the lake at the wrong time.
 
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Did the killer spread the bodies apart from each other because they would be less likely to be found? This might demonstrate some research on the killer/s' part in disposing of the bodies. It would seem someone who had killed before would know to spread the bodies out, but a first kill of 2 people they might have just left the bodies together and covered with brush. I think whomever committed this crime is following the story because they are local. I agree with Grainne Dhu that Elizabeth was the primary target, and the perp might have already been questioned in regards to the case. Then again he/they may not have popped onto LE's radar yet.

ETA: Did the killer/s want to put the bodies in the river, but because of the drought and low water levels they abandoned that idea and left them on land?

Fairly soon after the bodies were discovered, someone either in the media or on WebSleuths (can't remember which) speculated that the placement of the two bodies could indicate two perps, each of whom took one girl to assault and kill. In the summer, the weeds and grasses would have been tall enough to give the illusion of privacy just by sitting down.

If the perp isn't yet in the files, then it's someone like Joseph Duncan; a specialist in finding remote places and in snatching victims even in front of witnesses, no close social ties and living a roving life. Ugh, Duncan even managed to abduct two young girls, Sammiejo White 11 and her sister Carmen Cubias, 9.
 
I think this point was made just in case anyone had noticed a family member, friend or work colleague for example showing a particular interest in any developments in the case which they wouldn't normally do. Just my thoughts.

Thank you to all of you for keeping the discussion about the girl's case going. I still care about the monster(s) that did this being put behind bars and hate the fact the case has gone cold.

Makes sense, thanks.

I don't know. I would love to hear the locals' opinion of why they think LE thinks the perp/s are following this story in the news. Also, curious of thoughts on the positioning of the girls' bodies...

Here's another link: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...llins-lyic-cook-morrissey-evansdale/30807291/


It mentions Evelyn Miller's case and her killer, Casey Frederickson, as a reason they're not releasing the COD on the girls.

Great article, thanks for posting.

"Lyric Cook-Morrissey's parents also have been in the news. Her father Daniel Morrissey is serving a 90-year prison term with a mandatory 30 years for multiple drug offenses, and mother Misty Cook-Morrissey is serving 10 years for selling methamphetamine in a separate case."

It does seem to me that a connection here is likely, after seeing so many other cases here involving hard drugs like meth, etc., for example, Bella Grogan-Cannella. Chances are high imo that this is somehow related to the drug use in the household, and/or some dirt bag(s) affiliated the parents' drug interactions, I would think. I know sure you guys have likely discussed these possibilities to death in all the previous threads, sorry to be repetitive, but from a set of fairly fresh eyes who doesn't know all the details and did not follow this case from the beginning, this seems to be the most obvious avenue worth aggressively pursuing. Surely LE has been doing this, and hopefully has asked the parents for a list of everyone they have used with or bought drugs from/sold drugs to, asked for a list of every one who has ever been in that house. Now whether or not they have complied with that request...

Everybody's efforts and commitment here to these girls is admirable. Keep up the good work! I really hope they find these girls' killer(s)!
 
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There was actually a nearly perfect abduction spot on the bike path where it made a relatively slight curve around the corner of Meyers Lake. The path was separated at that point from the lake by an eight foot chainlink fence (the same fence the girls' bikes were found leaning on). On the opposite side of the curve, there was a little patch of woods; my eyeball estimate is that it was no more than 2 acres. In that little patch of woods was a gravel dead end road that was once called Maiden Lane. Maiden Lane joined the street system at about the bend where S Evans Rd turns into Arbutus Ave. Maiden Lane has a slight curve so that a vehicle driven down to the end of the gravel cannot be seen in summer from S Evans/Arbutus.

The bike path at that point had a blind curve due to a slight rise in the path and overgrowth of the Iowa jungle. There were tall weeds and vines growing up the chainlink which helped obscure the view in the summer.

In the summer, at that one single spot on the bike path around Meyer's Lake, there was no way for someone to see that particular spot from the parking lots, etc, on the other side of the lake.

A former WS poster, Ollipop, noted that in the summer, traffic on the bike path was about 6 to 7 groups of people per hour. That's around 10 minutes apart on average, meaning that there were plenty of times for someone who knew that particular area to lie in wait and select potential victims without other witnesses to see what was happening. He said that even before the girls were abducted, it was a creepy feeling spot. My theory is that most normal people still have atavistic instincts from the time when we were as likely to be the prey as we were to be the predator and spots like that give us the creeps because our inner alarm system is on the alert for sabre-toothed tigers.



I looked at Google Maps and chose what I thought was the most direct route. Then I asked Google Maps to suggest a route and one of the three offered was the one I had already picked, so I think the following route is fairly obvious.

My guess would be Maiden Lane to S Evans Rd to Gilbert Dr. Stay on Gilbert (crossing into the suburb of Elk Run Heights) until the junction with Hwy 281. Stay on Hwy 281 for about 20 miles and turn on N Canfield Rd. Turn on Tucson Ave. Turn on 270th St and you're there. It is the shortest, most direct route; there are several other possible routes but none of them are as direct.



There was construction going on I380/70/20 (it's all the same stretch of road with different names). All the traffic was on far side of the central divider from Meyers Lake and the construction was on the side that was closer to Meyers Lake.

I have no doubt the construction workers were questioned pretty early on, if for no other reason than that road fixing is a travelling job and LE would want to get to those workers before they moved on. Nothing has been reported in the media about the construction workers, so I'm guessing they didn't see anything.

Since that happened, I got in touch with an old friend who had a summer job as a flagger (the person who regulates traffic if needed). They wouldn't have needed flaggers for that particular day since all the traffic was shunted to the other side of the road and there was no lane sharing but his comments were enlightening anyway. He said he'd be surprised if anyone working the construction that day saw a thing because it is a highly dangerous job, particularly for the workers on foot. It involves heavy machinery with limited visibility plus light vehicles ferrying people up and down the construction area because the area tends to spread out. The heavy vehicles are usually (not always) slow but the light vehicles tend to go faster, you can definitely feel the wind whip when they pass you. Everyone is in a hurry, from the head of the company to the foremen and down because there's usually penalties in the contracts for missing the various deadlines.

Construction in general is the 4th most dangerous job in the US (more dangerous than the military as a private first class, police or fire fighting), so it's not the job for those who like to take some time to smell the roses. He figured that workers don't have much awareness of anything going on more than about 10 feet outside of the construction zone and most of their concentration is focused on where they are in relationship to all the construction machines. He said it's like a dance where you do it on the hottest days of the year, wearing boots and a hard hat, often carrying equipment, in triple time and missing a step can mean a catastrophic injury if you are lucky.

After talking to him, I was pretty convinced that the construction workers probably had nothing to report.

Thank you very much for your information.

These images, above below is from Aug 2012. Are there any computer experts here that can access google maps and bring up photos from July 2012. Preferably from the 11th to 13th of 2012
It is just a hunch. But I think perhaps the girls and or the killers vehicle may be on a satellite image if we could access those images from the day of the abduction..........OR, any map images from the day. Does not have to just be Google maps.

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Boosctr, I think a lot about your last line, especially since the white boxy van was seen in two different locations in that area around that time like someone was trolling.
 
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Thank you very much for your information.

These images, above below is from Aug 2012. Are there any computer experts here that can access google maps and bring up photos from July 2012. Preferably from the 11th to 13th of 2012
It is just a hunch. But I think perhaps the girls and or the killers vehicle may be on a satellite image if we could access those images from the day of the abduction..........OR, any map images from the day. Does not have to just be Google maps.

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I've already tried to see if there were any images from July for Arbutus and there aren't. Just so you know how to do it (should you want to "walk around Evansdale" looking for an older white boxy suv...

Example:
If you type in the address on that picture in Google maps (635 Arbutus) and drag the little guy over to the red balloon to get the street view, you can see on the image in the upper left hand corner when it was taken. It says August 2012.
So, using that knowledge, I clicked on the picture at the bottom of US-20. If you look at the date on THAT picture, it shows Street View -Sept 2015 but there is also a little clock looking icon with a drop down next to the date. If you click that, it will show you all previous images for that spot taken in the past.
I hunted high and low for images of Arbutus in that exact spot and I was only able to find the Aug 2012.

I have to imagine though, that the Google Maps car doesn't come through towns to capture images as frequently as it does the highways...but it's worth looking around to see what you can find! It's actually a cool feature.

By the way...there are TONS of white SUV's out there if you're looking for them. LOL!
 
I've already tried to see if there were any images from July for Arbutus and there aren't. Just so you know how to do it (should you want to "walk around Evansdale" looking for an older white boxy suv...

Example:
If you type in the address on that picture in Google maps (635 Arbutus) and drag the little guy over to the red balloon to get the street view, you can see on the image in the upper left hand corner when it was taken. It says August 2012.
So, using that knowledge, I clicked on the picture at the bottom of US-20. If you look at the date on THAT picture, it shows Street View -Sept 2015 but there is also a little clock looking icon with a drop down next to the date. If you click that, it will show you all previous images for that spot taken in the past.
I hunted high and low for images of Arbutus in that exact spot and I was only able to find the Aug 2012.

I have to imagine though, that the Google Maps car doesn't come through towns to capture images as frequently as it does the highways...but it's worth looking around to see what you can find! It's actually a cool feature.

By the way...there are TONS of white SUV's out there if you're looking for them. LOL!

Thank You. Not looking for any SUVs. Just satellite images, not those taken from the street.
 
I think the killers vehicle was parked right there.

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It does seem to me that a connection here is likely, after seeing so many other cases here involving hard drugs like meth, etc., for example, Bella Grogan-Cannella. Chances are high imo that this is somehow related to the drug use in the household, and/or some dirt bag(s) affiliated the parents' drug interactions, I would think. I know sure you guys have likely discussed these possibilities to death in all the previous threads, sorry to be repetitive, but from a set of fairly fresh eyes who doesn't know all the details and did not follow this case from the beginning, this seems to be the most obvious avenue worth aggressively pursuing. Surely LE has been doing this, and hopefully has asked the parents for a list of everyone they have used with or bought drugs from/sold drugs to, asked for a list of every one who has ever been in that house. Now whether or not they have complied with that request...

SBM

As you said, the possible drug connection has been discussed a lot on WS.

There was a brief (48 hours, more or less) when LE said that Dan and Misty were not cooperating but both before that 2 day period and after it, they were both described as being fully cooperative. Dan's mother said that Dan had "ratted out" a lot of people and that he had gone through his phone and given information on all his contacts to LE.

To lower the likelihood of one possibility: I personally doubt this was a revenge killing. It is true that on 12 July 2012, Dan Morrissey turned down a (favourable) plea deal. Some people have pointed at this act as being the trigger for a revenge killing but those people do not seem to understand how plea deals work in the US and particularly in Iowa. If anyone was afraid of what information Dan could reveal to LE, the time to send the message to shut up was while the plea deal was still a possibility. In Iowa, plea deals in drug cases are almost always contingent upon the defendant agreeing to reveal everything they know about drugs in Iowa: all their connections, how the connections relate, communication protocols, etc. Dan would have been obligated to reveal a great deal of information in return for such a favourable plea deal. The proposed plea deal involved only 10 years in prison, among other things; compare that to what he got at trial (90 years, 30 year minimum) which is essentially life in prison.

By calling off the plea deal, Dan was taking all his potential information away from LE.

Had the girls disappeared on 11 July 2012, then I would have assumed it was revenge for Dan's agreement to reveal information. But that's not what happened! The girls disappeared the day after Dan decided against accepting the plea deal, which means everyone Dan had information on was probably letting out huge sighs of relief.

Additionally, the profile that has been released does not sound like a meth addict or gang related killer in any way to me.

In every case I've ever followed, there has been at least one connection that seemed important but turned out to be irrelevant, just a coincidence, and one piece of evidence that turned out to be irrelevant to the case. For this case, I strongly suspect it is the possible drug connection. It's so big and so obvious and so, I don't know, scandalous, etc, it is difficult to set aside and yet everything LE has said in the past year sounds like they have set it aside. It's like seeing a big white elephant lumbering through both Meyers Lake and 7 Bridges, then discovering that it had nothing to do with the case. It just doesn't seem possible and yet I strongly suspect that the drug connection is the white elephant.
 
Thank You. Not looking for any SUVs. Just satellite images, not those taken from the street.

If the perp's vehicle was parked where I think it was, the end of Maiden Lane, I doubt it would show on satellite because it is almost completely under the tree canopy. Might be enough to see a flash of colour, might not, depending on the colour of the vehicle (a dark colour would just blend in).
 
I think the killers vehicle was parked right there.

SBM

Thank you for posting all your thoughts on this case and the new images. We have had a lot of pictures and diagrams in this case over time and new thoughts and pictures are always welcome. You never know when some clue may be uncovered.

You may be interested in knowing that there is a video from one of our posters biking down the nature trail. another who videoed the way to Seven Bridges and the actual recovery site, and others that took pictures of the layout of the town. If you look on page one of each thread, there is a link to amandareckonwith's case archive where you can find almost all of the information on this case. Great job was done on this!

There was discussion long ago in the thread about a resident (or two) that reported seeing a pickup truck parked on Arbutus (not on Maiden Lane), but closer to the nature bike lane that crosses Arbutus, maybe a block or two away. Maybe someone can remember which direction the truck was facing, not that it would matter. If it was facing toward Maiden Lane, then the person could have watched the girls enter Maiden Lane to get to the lake. If it was facing away from Maiden Lane, he could have been watching in his rear view mirror or just sat where he could look out the back window. Either way, if this person had seen the girls, he could have easily followed them down Maiden Lane. I don't remember if LE found out anything about the truck, but it wasn't the white boxy one that they are talking about now.
 
An update regarding our historical Google walkabouts, Threecrazykids.

I actually know someone now, who takes the photos for Google! He flies all over the place.

If there are any questions, well, fire away, I will see what I can find out.

I've already tried to see if there were any images from July for Arbutus and there aren't. Just so you know how to do it (should you want to "walk around Evansdale" looking for an older white boxy suv...

Example:
If you type in the address on that picture in Google maps (635 Arbutus) and drag the little guy over to the red balloon to get the street view, you can see on the image in the upper left hand corner when it was taken. It says August 2012.
So, using that knowledge, I clicked on the picture at the bottom of US-20. If you look at the date on THAT picture, it shows Street View -Sept 2015 but there is also a little clock looking icon with a drop down next to the date. If you click that, it will show you all previous images for that spot taken in the past.
I hunted high and low for images of Arbutus in that exact spot and I was only able to find the Aug 2012.

I have to imagine though, that the Google Maps car doesn't come through towns to capture images as frequently as it does the highways...but it's worth looking around to see what you can find! It's actually a cool feature.

By the way...there are TONS of white SUV's out there if you're looking for them. LOL!
 
SBM

Thank you for posting all your thoughts on this case and the new images. We have had a lot of pictures and diagrams in this case over time and new thoughts and pictures are always welcome. You never know when some clue may be uncovered.

You may be interested in knowing that there is a video from one of our posters biking down the nature trail. another who videoed the way to Seven Bridges and the actual recovery site, and others that took pictures of the layout of the town. If you look on page one of each thread, there is a link to amandareckonwith's case archive where you can find almost all of the information on this case. Great job was done on this!

There was discussion long ago in the thread about a resident (or two) that reported seeing a pickup truck parked on Arbutus (not on Maiden Lane), but closer to the nature bike lane that crosses Arbutus, maybe a block or two away. Maybe someone can remember which direction the truck was facing, not that it would matter. If it was facing toward Maiden Lane, then the person could have watched the girls enter Maiden Lane to get to the lake. If it was facing away from Maiden Lane, he could have been watching in his rear view mirror or just sat where he could look out the back window. Either way, if this person had seen the girls, he could have easily followed them down Maiden Lane. I don't remember if LE found out anything about the truck, but it wasn't the white boxy one that they are talking about now.


If you look at the first picture, with the yellow road man. That little gravel road there leads to a little building that would have supplied even more cover. It lines up with number 4 where the bikes were found. About 100 feet from the shack to the bikes, if not less than that..........The fence is not that high would have been easy to left the girls over. The purse was found on the other side of the fence, near the bikes and on the lakeside where the vehicle could have been parked. The purse may have been meant to be taking but was forgotten...The dogs tracked the girls scent up in that area a short distance before loosing the scent. Which makes since once the girls were placed in the vehicle and left the area the scent would have stopped there.

It is my theory from reading and watching and of course its all just speculation and nothing as being fact.

That a predator had parked there vehicle in that spot on this day and was waiting by the trail for a female to come by. In this case it was the young girls on bikes. He made them stop there and made them get over the fence, either by climbing or being lifted over and the purse, which was probably over her shoulder was tossed over by the killer or the girl herself but was left/forgotten. They were put in the vehicle which was back-end in that spot and parked next to the little shack there. They were put in the back and taking from the area..............When the bikes were found, they found the purse on the other side and the dogs tracked them to where the back of the vehicle was opened and they got in. No one would have seen a thing in that isolated spot with the little shack there......Being a work day not many adults would have been there, but at work, and perhaps there was something about the vehicle that made it not look out of place.

And thank you for mentioning the link about the video traveling the bike path.........I am looking forward to watching that later tonight.

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If you look at the first picture, with the yellow road man. That little gravel road there leads to a little building that would have supplied even more cover. It lines up with number 4 where the bikes were found. About 100 feet from the shack to the bikes, if not less than that..........The fence is not that high would have been easy to left the girls over. The purse was found on the other side of the fence, near the bikes and on the lakeside where the vehicle could have been parked. The purse may have been meant to be taking but was forgotten...The dogs tracked the girls scent up in that area a short distance before loosing the scent. Which makes since once the girls were placed in the vehicle and left the area the scent would have stopped there.

That little building is a utility lift station; Maiden Lane makes a relatively gentle curve behind that building and goes almost to the lower end of your measuring line at about the place where the "200 feet" label is. So a predator could have been parked closer to the bike path than to the lift station.

It really was the perfect spot to abduct someone from (it has been changed since the girls were abducted). There were people who thought the actual abduction may have taken place up near the Collins house and the bikes/purse planted as a false lead but I just can't see it. The area around the Collins house is largely residential but there's also a little strip mall, so a fair number of people coming and going during the day. The area in the park was relatively deserted but had a steady flow of walkers and bicyclists going through.

I think the perp abducted the girls right there off the bike path and he was in such a hurry that he did not do the obvious thing, which would have been to throw the bikes and purse into the lake. That would have slowed the search even more and probably concentrated it around the Collins house because that would have been the last place they were seen. But the perp had 2 girls to control and probably figured that the risk in taking the time to hide the bikes was too great.
 
Thank You. Not looking for any SUVs. Just satellite images, not those taken from the street.

From what I could find through extensive searching today, the images just aren't updated that often. I always figured in my mind that satellite images were taken daily, at least, but that appears not to be the case from everything I've found so far. I have to think someone somewhere (government perhaps?) has daily images, but perhaps not public. Google etc. seem to update much less frequently. I looked at the satellite ones for my house and they seem to be updated every couple of years. The street view ones are about 4 years apart. I know it varies depending on the area. I hope this has been thoroughly looked into by people who might have access to better satellite pics.
 
An update regarding our historical Google walkabouts, Threecrazykids.

I actually know someone now, who takes the photos for Google! He flies all over the place.

If there are any questions, well, fire away, I will see what I can find out.

Hello. Yes, could you ask him if it is possible to retrieve satellite images from the day of the abduction?
 
Hello. Yes, could you ask him if it is possible to retrieve satellite images from the day of the abduction?
Yes, I will see what I can find out.

Happy New Year, all.

May 2016 be the year the murderer of these girls is apprehended.

Justice for Lyric and Elizabeth, so they may eternally Rest in Peace. [emoji92]
 
There was a van seen in the area , but the driver came forward and was cleared, other than that, there was a reported incident involving a van and a boy.
ribm.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/missing...in-surveillance-photos-speaks-to-authorities/

August 2, 2012, 12:21 PM
Missing Iowa girls case: Van driver in surveillance photos speaks to authorities

M. K.told KWWL that he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and had no information related to the cousins' disappearance.

Authorities say they believe the girls were abducted.

Earlier Wednesday, Capt. Rick Abben of the Black Hawk County Sheriff's Office, said investigators were aware of a reported abduction attempt of a Cedar Rapids boy by people in a van. Abben says it's impossible to tell whether the Cedar Rapids incident is somehow related to the missing girls.
 
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