IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #42

[Peaches96]

The only thing I’ve found that helps young women not get harassed by young men - is an old man they don’t want to mess with that’s not in the mood to deal with it. I don’t mind hanging out by the fields when my daughters are working out, the boys see me and leave them alone.

You sound like a good dad! My dad was the same way

 

[MassGuy]

It never hurts to report an incident that makes you uneasy or uncomfortable so that it is at least on file with the police department should something happen in the future. Start the paper trail.

Absolutely true. Especially a situation where someone approaches you in an odd context, and it makes you feel uncomfortable.

 

[gliving]

I'm seeing some of our posts here being copied almost verbatim on another website. Sad they can't think for themselves.

 

[Peaches96]

Absolutely true. Especially a situation where someone approaches you in an odd context, and it makes you feel uncomfortable.

A lot of people may not even know that the police department can label it as “inactive” if you don’t want them to follow up on it. That way, your incident is on file but not being actively investigated unless something happens.

 

[MassGuy]

A lot of people may not even know that the police department can label it as “inactive” if you don’t want them to follow up on it. That way, your incident is on file but not being actively investigated unless something happens.

Most police departments have a non emergency number where you can report your concerns. I think if you’re torn between reporting an event or not, that’s the best way to go. Law enforcement can then make a decision as to if it should be investigated or not.

 

[Al Hoffman]

One must live in an parallel universe to posit that nice, hard-working farm-hands cruise the streets looking to hook up.

It's like assuming the growling dog is just begging for a treat.

Funny you should say that. MSM (AP) recently reported that a Columbus, Ohio K-9 LEO had to shoot his canine fellow officer when the dog attacked him while being verbally corrected. It just goes to show that even the best can sometimes go off the deep end, for no apparent reason, but we do expect more self-control from a man.

 

[kpm]

I don’t buy the panic over fear of deportation theory. You don’t follow a woman in your car, approach her, and then kidnap her and stab her to death. I absolutely believe this was sexual, and that a sexual assault occurred. He wasn’t looking for a date, he was looking for sexual gratification. Time will tell, but I think it’s far more likely that the latter is true, than true panic over being sent back to Mexico.

I don’t buy it either

From his family and friends in Mexico, he was in school, he played soccer, his dad has a farm or works on one and the only reason he came here, according to his dad, is because he didn’t think there were any jobs there and he sent money home.

He wasn’t escaping gangs and violence by his dad’s account, he wanted more money.

And his dad said if he had done that he would have just come home....

He did NOT fear deportation, IMO

 

[jillycat]

FWIW, when I refer to the willingness of others to see things through the lens of Mollie's killer and I refer to the the remark about a lifestyle-threatening event from his perspective, I mean this, and only this, with no add on about "excusing" him:

I do not embrace the idea that anyone concerned with keeping LE away then engages in behavior that risks drawing attention from LE - like trolling and following a jogger, and then having the audacity to get out of this car (his story) and run after her. I believe this behavior is that of a predator utterly unconcerned with getting caught or being outed as lying and being here illegally. I also believe that his reasons for following her were the reasons of any predator - to find and gain control of prey that the predator is going to end up harming for his own selfish gain. Also, I do not subscribe to any theory that all predators look or present a certain way or that we can see them coming, or that they all plot their crimes. They are by nature opportunistic, however smart or stupid they may be in the commission of their crimes.

I also think that in regard to this person, in some cases and across a number of platforms, understanding why he did what so many like him do has entered the arena of a lean toward sympathetic consideration of his background, language history, cultural shortcomings and other factors that we don't even know pose obstacles for him. We spent a lot of time on whether or not a translator in his interrogation and two more translators in court were enough for him to understand what's happening to him and why.

Sometimes people don't need a reason to kill the person that's found dead other than, as Otto said, it's what's gratifying to the killer. To that extent, I don't think Mollie's alleged 'threat' to contact police was his issue - other than it potentially interfered with ability to carry out his mission, should he be interrupted. So he likely swiftly incapacitated her, took her, and the rest is whatever investigators can piece together, because he's never going to give that up. To me that doesn't make him a clinical study, it simply makes him a reprehensible violent coward who wanted both his victim and the shroud of secrecy. JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

I thought that too, but reading other the article about his family being baffled, his dad states he picked Iowa because family was there.

His uncle worked at the same farm as well

There is a time gap of what he was up to the years before, he’s been here almost 8 years if he came at about 16, like his dad said, worked at the farm for 4.....what was he doing before that?

I didn't know his uncle worked at the same farm, was it during the time that CBR also worked there? If so, I wonder why the uncle didn't question the fake identity? Do you have a link? TIA.

 

[Jeng1810]

A lot of people may not even know that the police department can label it as “inactive” if you don’t want them to follow up on it. That way, your incident is on file but not being actively investigated unless something happens.

I do it all the time via the LE FB page. I’m sure they know me and think I am crazy but that’s ok. If it helps one person it is worth it.

 

[MassGuy]

FWIW, when I refer to the willingness of others to see things through the lens of Mollie's killer and I refer to the the remark about a lifestyle-threatening event from his perspective, I mean this, and only this, with no add on about "excusing" him:

I do not embrace the idea that anyone concerned with keeping LE away then engages in behavior that risks drawing attention from LE - like trolling and following a jogger, and then having the audacity to get out of this car (his story) and run after her. I believe this behavior is that of a predator utterly unconcerned with getting caught or being outed as lying and being here illegally. I also believe that his reasons for following her were the reasons of any predator - to find and gain control of prey that the predator is going to end up harming for his own selfish gain. Also, I do not subscribe to any theory that all predators look or present a certain way or that we can see them coming, or that they all plot their crimes. They are by nature opportunistic, however smart or stupid they may be in the commission of their crimes.

I also think that in regard to this person, in some cases and across a number of platforms, understanding why he did what so many like him do has entered the arena of a lean toward sympathetic consideration of his background, language history, cultural shortcomings and other factors that we don't even know pose obstacles for him. We spent a lot of time on whether or not a translator in his interrogation and two more translators in court were enough for him to understand what's happening to him and why.

Sometimes people don't need a reason to kill the person that's found dead other than, as Otto said, it's what's gratifying to the killer. To that extent, I don't think Mollie's alleged 'threat' to contact police was his issue - other than it potentially interfered with ability to carry out his mission, should he be interrupted. So he likely swiftly incapacitated her, took her, and the rest is whatever investigators can piece together, because he's never going to give that up. To me that doesn't make him a clinical study, it simply makes him a reprehensible violent coward who wanted both his victim and the shroud of secrecy. JMO

I couldn’t have said it better. You can find numerous cases over the decades, including many recent ones, that bear a striking similarity to this one. A predator trolls for prey, and commits a heinous act of violence for his own gratification.

 

[MsBetsy]

They are even finding measurable levels of antidepressants and other pharmaceuticals in fish because of clean, treated water discharge from sewerage treatment plants. If you flush it, it has to wind up somewhere. And yes, there are even observed sex changes in aquatic species from birth control hormones in the water.

Holy @#$! No wonder so many people are nuts. I'm never drinking tap water again.

 

[Al Hoffman]

It never hurts to report an incident that makes you uneasy or uncomfortable so that it is at least on file with the police department should something happen in the future. Start the paper trail.

Even if LE is unable to act at the time, they will give you an "incident report number" which will make it easier for LE to make sense of what is going on if called again for the same or similar complaint. By all means start the paper trail if you feel threatened. You can even do this over the PD non-emergency line if you do not want to be seen talking with LE because of a fear of retribution.

 

[kpm]

I didn't know his uncle worked at the same farm, was it during the time that CBR also worked there? If so, I wonder why the uncle didn't question the fake identity? Do you have a link? TIA.

Let me look for it, I’m pretty sure it’s in the article that says CR’s family is baffled by this

His uncle probably is in the same position?

It could be this article, I can’t open it because I’m not going to pay

Washington Post: Breaking News, World, US, DC News & Analysis


I will keep looking though!



Rivera’s uncle, Eustaquio “Capi” Bahena Radilla, said he fears less for himself than for his three school-age children.

Most days, Bahena Radilla socializes only with co-workers at Yarrabee Farms.

Even if he spent more time in town, he wouldn’t know if neighbors were whispering about him — he doesn’t speak English.

 

[otto]

CR committed a crime that ensures he won't be deported. If he had assaulted Mollie and left it at that, he would be sent to prison and then deported. There are Mexican gangs targeting and killing people who have been deported from the U.S. including a DACA young man in Des Moines deported the month prior to Mollie's murder. He was murdered in Mexico two weeks later. I don't pretend to know what was going on in CR's head but it wouldn't surprise me if he truly did panic.

There's causation, and correlation. When something happens to someone who is deported to a native country, that does not mean that the deportation is the cause or whatever happened.

I have travelled in Mexico many times, and not just in the beach zones. I'm still alive, so apparently it's quite possible to spend time in Mexico and live to tell of it. I think people who speak Spanish and understand the culture will find it easier to survive than I did.

I doubt that the suspect wanted to uproot his life and move to Mexico. I also think it's really farfetched to suggest that moving to Mexico means a death sentence.

 

[MsBetsy]

I couldn’t have said it better. You can find numerous cases over the decades, including many recent ones, that bear a striking similarity to this one. A predator trolls for prey, and commits a heinous act of violence for his own gratification.

Yes, I'm a bit relieved others agree with this. I attempted to demonstrate all my opinions of why I thought this guy is a calculating, predatory, remorseless killer just the other day, but all my examples got blown right out of the water! Some didn't appreciate my use of the word "stalker" so I ended up taking it back. Its really hard for me to see it any other way but I guess that's true for those who think otherwise as well.

 

[Followfacts]

They did catch CR and LE did a great job!! The car, the video, his statements, leading them to her body all came together. Obviously all the hard work over weeks of pursuing leads, digital information, her movements, interviews, canvassing the town, the searches, it is really significant that they did catch their man!!! Now we can be sure that justice for Mollie will happen. CR is in custody. LE must on a certain level professionally know they did their job in apprehending the person responsible for Mollie missing, her abduction and subsequent murder. That is what they are tasked to do no matter what outcome prevails. CR is the criminal and that’s what they do hunt down and catch criminals.

 

[mickey2942]

That’s an awful lot to deduce from a single paragraph on an arrest affidavit...

Are you seriously defending a killer? Who stalked and deliberately attacked a young woman, because she didn't want to talk to him?

How else would you portray a killer? If that is not "entitlement mentality", what is?

 

[MsBetsy]

I didn't know his uncle worked at the same farm, was it during the time that CBR also worked there? If so, I wonder why the uncle didn't question the fake identity? Do you have a link? TIA.

Why would he question it? He knew who he was.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Yes, that's exactly what I meant but as usual you said it better. Guess the point I was trying to make also was that there doesn't have to be sex involved at all. Jmo

Yes, that's exactly what I meant but as usual you said it better. Guess the point I was trying to make also was that there doesn't have to be sex involved at all. Jmo

True anything is possible but I don't think it's a sound probability. Imo

I am trying very hard to remember another case with these same circumstances that involved a young woman as the victim and where the male suspect was also young where the motive for the abduction didn't involve a sexual assault motive.

At that the moment I am drawing a blank. Of course there are thrill killers who murder because the act of killing IS the thrill...motive.

It's well known when stranger abductions happen to young children and young minors the motive almost always for the kidnapping was solely to rape the child of either gender..then murder them. The stats state the victim is usually murdered within 45 minutes after the abduction. I think this would also hold true in adult victims as well.

Mollie may have seen him but imo he wasn't even one of her acquaintances and He only knew her from afar. I consider him being a stranger abductor.

Now here we have a suspect who was known to contact young women even though they weren't interested yet that didn't seem to matter to CR..he harassed them anyway.

While young guys certainly flirt trying to hook up with willing females...
I don't think they circle them obsessively. That reminds me more of vultures circling for their prey until they spot one.

I 100 percent firmly believe this case will also have a sexual assault motive.. he knew beforehand once he had abducted and raped her ..he would have to kill her.
And that is why Mollie is dead.

Imo