ChiCubs2016
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Great idea. I am going to do the same.Beautiful.
For my part, I'm going to mollie my texts. To be kinder, gentler....
She impacted me.
JMO
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Great idea. I am going to do the same.Beautiful.
For my part, I'm going to mollie my texts. To be kinder, gentler....
She impacted me.
JMO
Do you know, did this other girl report the incident immediately after it occurred, prior to the arrest or only after he was arrested? In the cob-webby recesses of my mind I’m thinking it wasn’t until after the arrest. Because the timing would make a difference as well. Also IIRC he wasn’t proven guilty of that incident as far as the Court is concerned, so introducing it on say-so basis has the potential of resulting in a mistrial. It seems the prosecution was very careful so no future appeals will be successful. JMO
AUGUST 22, 2018
Illegal immigrant charged with killing Mollie Tibbetts tailed ANOTHER girl in his car | Daily Mail Online
'It all clicked when we heard the news. It's so scary to think he did something similar with my sister,' added Bailey, who asked that her sibling not be named.
- Accused killer Cristhian Rivera pulled alongside another girl in his car as she walked through Brooklyn, Iowa, before being accused of Mollie Tibbetts murder
- The 17-year-old girl's older sibling Bailey Gibson, 18, told DailyMail.com her sister was 'creeped' out by Rivera's advances as he told her she was pretty
- 'It was more flirty than sexual. She didn’t appreciate it. Even though she knew him a little she felt unsafe and didn't want to talk to him,' Gibson said
- 'In the end she was really creeped-out by his behavior. She had to keep telling him she wasn't interested,' Gibson added
He could've plead guilty.
He could've had a public defender at no expense to him.
Instead someone(s) put up money on his behalf for his defense team.
For an all but certain outcome.
If family foot his bill, I'd say he doesn't have much a conscience at all, to drain resources like that.
Failed as a son.
Failed as a father.
Failed as a human being.
What a waste.
JMO
If Mr and Mrs keep representing him..which I thought someone mentioned they would be appealing...then someone is still paying for him.He could've plead guilty.
He could've had a public defender at no expense to him.
Instead someone(s) put up money on his behalf for his defense team.
For an all but certain outcome.
If family foot his bill, I'd say he doesn't have much a conscience at all, to drain resources like that.
Failed as a son.
Failed as a father.
Failed as a human being.
What a waste.
JMO
I am sad for Mollie, her family and friends. But glad that the criminal is off the streets. Iowa is a bit safer now. Young girls can still go running, but be aware that danger is everywhere. Unfortunately.
Danger is indeed everywhere-- and no race/creed exempt from committing evil.
I think it's the Univ of WI that has a recognized, long-term study on inmates like CBR that go from quiet to slaughter-- which typically manifests in their early 20's. I have little doubt that CBR fits this profile.
I think the Univ study was linked in the Jayme Closs thread and I'll see if I can find it. The following by NIHMSID is another sad reality but it's also very thorough.If you have any more information on this study, I would be interested in finding and reading it?
Thank you!
Will we be seeing Mr. and Mrs. Frese withdrawing from representation?
Can they?
They sure looked like they want to.
JMO
Yes, and this why I feel they did an inadequate job defending him.Juror in Bahena Rivera murder trial reacts to verdict, describes case as 'emotional' Jury foreman is speaking out (I'm somewhat surprised)
* On a side note and FWIW now, I couldn't post much during the trial. However, I was shocked as all get out that CBR took the stand. And there is no way IMO that he came up with the 2 masked men in sweaters intruders (in July no less) on his own. He was just told what to say. And yes there were some in Iowa that thought that story gave the jury enough reasonable doubt to find him not guilty. Others still think he really didn't do it and or at least had help.
Rest in peace sweet Mollie. At least some in Iowa still have common sense.
The Appeal will be very interesting.
I doubt an appeal will be granted, will it? It's not automatic like in a death penalty case, is it?
Why would they?
That is what they do in the normal course of their day to day business activities, they represent people on various matters.
The US had approx 2.12 million prisoners in 2020, I would suggest they were represented at some point before their convictions. I doubt that those lawyers in all those cases thought about 'bad press'. It goes with the 'territory'.
The Defence team did a very good job under the circumstances. It was an uphill battle.
In some countries the case would have been thrown out, simply because of the interview, Miranda Rights etc.
The Appeal will be very interesting.
Regarding the part I bolded; do you really think people who are charged with a crime are presumed innocent? Until recently, I always thought if the prosecutor had enough evidence to bring someone to trial, there was a good chance they were guilty. Especially if the prosecutor had a good record of convictions.I doubt there is any other country that protects the accused as much as the USA, if for no other reason than they are presumed innocent going into the trial. In a lot of countries, CBR would have been executed probably three months after he was arrested.
According to Court TV segment post-verdict that's posted up-thread, 1st-degree murder conviction is an automatic appeal (i.e., although Iowa abolished their death penalty 30+ years ago-- 1st-degree murder is mandatory LWOP).I doubt an appeal will be granted, will it? It's not automatic like in a death penalty case, is it?
(snipped and bolder by me)And yes there were some in Iowa that thought that story gave the jury enough reasonable doubt to find him not guilty. Others still think he really didn't do it and or at least had help.
Well thank goodness.(snipped and bolder by me)
For the record, of the hundreds of Iowans I know not a single one thinks he didn’t do it. Whether he had help or not is another question entirely, one I doubt we’ll ever know now.