ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 55

[Hapworth]

Page 4 of the affidavit says according to the DoorDash driver, Xana received the food. Relevant line: "Kernodle, who received a DoorDash order at the residence at approximately 4:00 a.m.(law enforcement identified the DoorDash delivery driver who reported this information)."

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I think in one of photos taken later on , media taking pictures of the crime scene techs, the door dash bag is on the counter or table in the kitchen , with the receipt attached to it . It showed the Pullman restaurant

 

[GRT]

Why do you think BK asked if anyone else had been arrested? Was he trying to throw the investigators off or plant a seed of doubt?

Maybe both. I don't think it was because he thought anyone else was involved, though.

 

[H73]

I'm sure we are going to find out that he searched on his phone about the murders before they were even reported.

 

[Valen2]

"You got to remember these two girls were so upset that when they went outside after seeing this ... one passed out," he said. "And the other one was so hyperventilating that the message wasn’t clear enough for the operator."

Father of Idaho slayings victim says Bryan Kohberger wouldn’t look at him in court

"He’s going to avoid me for a while, but he’s definitely going to have to deal with the effects of the aftermath," Steve Goncalves said.

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I really, really appreciate that he did this and that he very clearly states that he does not believe either one of them to be involved. The internet has been beyond brutal to DM and this may help.

 

[Snoop Sister]

What an idiot!! Bringing his cell phone and turning it off and on during critical moments in the murder left a trail back to him. What’s worse (or good) cell phone was with him during all the hours of the house Being stalked weeks ago. But the icing on the cake is coming back to the crime scene at 9:00 a.m. same day with his cell phone on. LOL.

I know! It is a no brainer to leave one’s phone at home on tic tok or YouTube etc. smh

 

[10ofRods]

I don't even think K & M would have locked their doors, at least on this night. They were on the 3rd floor (probably the safest floor in the house) and the night was pretty much over. JMO

And I can totally picture X's door being unlocked, because she had just gotten done eating her DD delivery.

All my opinion

I do wonder if she had time. Didn't it arrive at 4:02?

These threads are moving so fast, I can't remember if I saved the excellent timeline that someone did, but will try to find it.

BK enters the house around 4:04, judging by when his car went out of view from neighbor cams and parked near 1122 King Road. If he parked in front of the house, he had to walk up around to the back to get in through the slider. So 4:04 has been the estimate. And then he's gone by 4:18.

 

[GRT]

What an idiot!! Bringing his cell phone and turning it off and on during critical moments in the murder left a trail back to him. What’s worse (or good) cell phone was with him during all the hours of the house Being stalked weeks ago. But the icing on the cake is coming back to the crime scene at 9:00 a.m. same day with his cell phone on. LOL.

It's like he was so confident in his ability to fly under the radar he didn't even take normal precautions. MOO, but that sounds narcissistic to me.

 

[XtremeScorpio]

New here, this is my first post. All of this is MOO.

I think BK has probably had this urge to commit murder and started stalking various girls since he arrived in WA in August. One thing is that the house where the murders happened is close to a sorority house (I think Alpha Phi, which 2 housemates were members of, IIRC). I feel like if BK is gearing up to murder, he’s obviously a criminology student and has probably studied Ted Bundy. So maybe he started considering committing the murders at a sorority house but as he was watching it/the members, he was led to the Kings Road house and figured it may be easier to do it there, a more controlled environment with less occupants. And with his stalking of the house, with the 12 visits over the last few months, he probably was fairly sure of who lived there but was thrown for a loop by Ethan and possibly Kaylee since she was just visiting. I feel like Maddie was his target, since the sheath was found in her room and I believe she was his first victim. I hope LE is able to get a much broader sense of his online stalking/behavior when they start going through his phone and computer. That will probably lead them to a pretty clear motive/target. Again, all MOO.

Nice theories. And Welcome to ws!

 

[Anonymom]

Didn’t Elizabeth Smart’s sister see her taken at knife point and also wait until the next morning to do anything? <modsnip> perhaps DM shouted something along the lines of ‘shut up the f up’ thinking it was Ethan making the noise and that spooked BK which I can see as plausible. I wonder if BK knew the passcodes to MM and XK’s rooms but not the others, which is why he left DM behind her door. Maybe he’d heard through word of mouth, as it was a well-known party house. MOO JMO JMVHO

It is useful to look at other's responses to an evil act to see if that will help us make a better decision if faced with the same situation later. But, Mary Katherine Smart and Dylan are by no means culpable in any way of someone else's criminal or evil act themselves. A fear reaction can be to simply "freeze."

MOO

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“I was sort of awake, and I saw this guy in my room, and I’m like, ‘Who is he?’ I saw him come in over to my side and then I saw him walk over to Elizabeth and he tapped her, and she’s like, ‘What is it?’ And I guess she thought it was me,” Mary Katherine said in her first interview in 2005, three years after her sister was kidnapped.
She then went to tell her parents, but saw the mysterious man escorting her sister down the hallway; terrified, she decided to go back to her room.

“I thought, you know, be quiet because if he hears you, he might take you too, and you’re the only person who has seen this,” she said. Two hours after that, she went to her parents and said, “Elizabeth’s gone” — and her parents, Ed and Lois, immediately assumed she was having a bad dream, but it didn’t take long for them to discover the horrifying truth.

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[Brian5671]

I can't believe he would be so brazen as to drive by the home 3x-4x. One has to know they are likely being recorded by cameras/ring doorbells etc.

 

[thoughts101]

Exactly. But between June and November he had been to the home area at least 12 times when she was driving her old vehicle. He may have seen any and all of the various house residents get into their vehicles or driving them during that time.

Yes indeed, and we do not know all of the dates and times of his alleged visits and what he could see when he is alleged to be there. In addition, aside from the 12 how many other visits were made perhaps even on foot and parking further away locally. Each time, he could have been there for long periods of time and watched them closely for comings and goings. I wonder if he knew that KG was gone by that point because he could not see her old vehicle, as you note, or he saw she had packed up her things and her room was empty. In addition, perhaps he realised that X and E did not normally stay at X's place on such and such days. This could have allowed him to plan the "best time" to commit his alleged crimes against the occupants, with the fewest number people at home, except that they were all at home on the day he allegedly struck. MOO

 

[Erutan]

It's like he was so confident in his ability to fly under the radar he didn't even take normal precautions. MOO, but that sounds narcissistic to me.

Exactly !
Good thing he was careless !
The defense has their work cut out for them.
As a higher ed. student, he will not (imo) be able to claim full-on insanity.
He functioned at a normal competent level before this ,and was (imo) thinking with his full capabilities.
Wonder what he'll try to throw out there to 'help' his case ?

 

[10ofRods]

Maybe he did see them? How do we know he didn’t?

Because they weren't there, per other LE reports of their arrival times and the timing of the 911 call.

It's in the media thread. Unless you think LE immediately misled about the timing of the 911 call. The neighbor goes out around 8:30 and sees the front door standing open, thinks it's odd, but doesn't mention seeing police (which I believe she would have, as she apparently gave a chronological narrative of what she saw). IMO.

I believe the Coroner also mentions the time of the 911 call/police arrival in one of her interviews, the one where she states she didn't get to the scene until more than 4 hours after police arrived there. Unlikely that a Coroner is going to misstate something so simple.

IMO.

 

[10ofRods]

Exactly !
Good thing he was careless !
The defense has their work cut out for them.
As a higher ed. student, he will not (imo) be able to claim full-on insanity.
He functioned at a normal competent level before this ,and was (imo) thinking with his full capabilities.
Wonder what he'll try to throw out there to 'help' his case ?

Idaho has no insanity defense.

 

[Ozoner]

New here, this is my first post. All of this is MOO.

I think BK has probably had this urge to commit murder and started stalking various girls since he arrived in WA in August. One thing is that the house where the murders happened is close to a sorority house (I think Alpha Phi, which 2 housemates were members of, IIRC). I feel like if BK is gearing up to murder, he’s obviously a criminology student and has probably studied Ted Bundy. So maybe he started considering committing the murders at a sorority house but as he was watching it/the members, he was led to the Kings Road house and figured it may be easier to do it there, a more controlled environment with less occupants. And with his stalking of the house, with the 12 visits over the last few months, he probably was fairly sure of who lived there but was thrown for a loop by Ethan and possibly Kaylee since she was just visiting. I feel like Maddie was his target, since the sheath was found in her room and I believe she was his first victim. I hope LE is able to get a much broader sense of his online stalking/behavior when they start going through his phone and computer. That will probably lead them to a pretty clear motive/target. Again, all MOO.

Do you think that Bryan targeted Maddie because she represented the type of girl that he despised <modsnip> or do you think that he had some kind of interaction with her and developed a grudge because of some perceived slight?

I am undecided. (I don't necessarily think Maddie was the target, for there was talk of Kaylee having a stalker, but the same questions could apply regardless of which girl was the target.)

 

[Justice101]

From the PCA, there is enough to cook his goose assuming we don't have a dumb jury or an OJ type of prosecution team bungling it all.

 

[whirrledpeas]

I’ve been through the affidavit very carefully about ten times and I have loads of notes but I have one question I thought I’d ask others.

I majored in forensic biology but am no longer in the field. The specialty I chose (blood spatter analysis) did not afford me the chemical side of forensics so I admittedly ask this question with ignorance.

Before my question, a few notes/mini-questions:

1. Would there be any reason NOT to use luminol on a scene like this? I went through training more than 20 years ago but I cannot fathom a scenario where luminol wouldn’t be used throughout the entire house to detect any spatter, patterns or prints.

2. It doesn’t state in the affidavit that luminol was initially used and I know amido black is sometimes the go-to now so my first question may be irrelevant. I also know amido black is a protein stain but it’s most often used to detect blood. What is the likelihood that the crime scene investigators would have found something other than blood using amido black?

3. The affidavit states that a latent shoe print was found on a second visit to the crime scene and that it was found using amido black. We know it was missed the first time around which happens, especially with large crime scenes. Because this information is in the affidavit, I’m inclined to think that the protein found was blood.

And for my question:

If there was a bloody shoe print that was not visible to the naked eye of trained professionals, could that suggest the print was cleaned up?

I ask this because the timeline is very small for all of what happened to occur and if it’s possible this print was cleaned up, it’s making that window even smaller.

Apologies for the long post and thanks in advance for any thoughts.

 

[esayer]

Spot on

I think they were all targets and Ethan threw him off.

 

[Bhodie]

I can't believe he would be so brazen as to drive by the home 3x-4x. One has to know they are likely being recorded by cameras/ring doorbells etc.

Maybe his compulsion overruled his thought process, clearly he was focused on this house or its occupants and not on preventing getting caught because its a little too messy to be well thought out.

 

[kittythehare]

I agree. Plus he's pretty much been saying whatever he wants anyway, The optics won't be very good if anyone tries to stop him. JMO

True, that!