ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 46

[Tranquileyes]

Thank you for this!

Retired Special Agent John MacVeigh told investigative reporter Terri Parker that Kohberger does not have a vehicle registered in his name and no criminal history, meaning while police were running DNA and fingerprint checks from the crime scene on the national database, Kohberger would not have shown up as a match.

Also doesn't say the Elantra in a parent's name. I suppose he could be a joint owner. I'm reminded how banks can only issue one 1099Int to the first account name and how every year I'm still required to report income as a nominee when I'm an equal account owner but do not receive a 1099 from the bank.

ETA: add link from the Monroe County DA which seems to contradict the retired Agent.

Suspect in Idaho quadruple murder arrested in Monroe County

Bryan C. Kohberger, the suspect in the murder of four college students in Moscow, Idaho, has been arrested in Monroe County.

monroecountyda.com

I think I'd take the word of the press release from the DA more than the article.

 

[RANCH]

They run tags and driver's license in Indiana.

I would think that LE would always run tags and DL during stops to check for stolen cars and people with warrants. JMO.

 

[NottaYutz]

I said the same thing a few threads back. Family or not, if they commit a rape or murder they need to be behind bars.

I also allow Gedmatch to use my DNA for LE.

 

[otto]

The floor plan always becomes interesting during trial. Police will have a theory about how the suspect entered the home, who was murdered first, whether the suspect expected two of the tenants to have a guest, how the suspect left the house, where his car was before, during, and after the murders.

I think he parked here and entered the property through the back lane.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

My first test was through 23andMe. But LE does not have access to my results at that site. I downloaded my results and then uploaded them to GEDmatch. (and FTDNA, and MyHeritage.)

That is what I am saying is possible. If it is impossible to get it from 23 and me, she must have uploaded it elsewhere. I am not sure which site and will ask.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Someone on a previous thread suggested that if the killer had first cut their throats, they would not have been able to scream. If that indeed happened, they might have still been able to somewhat fight back before dying.

Truly…has anyone ever witnessed an “attack” on another human being? Surveillance cameras catch them quite often. Most of the time the victim doesn’t see it coming. In the other cases they are running and then fighting with all they have to thwart the attack. They are not screaming. It simply doesn’t happen in most cases like this one. Where a knife was used. Now, if someone pulls a gun - people have been witness to screaming before the gunshots. If there is fighting or a peace disturbance before knives or guns come out - sometimes there is a quick scream.

This was four humans, all caught OFF GUARD inside of their security and comfort zone fighting for their lives. Screaming isn’t a bodily response when every fiber of your body is focused on eliminating the threat (to your survival). It takes all you have, even your voice. Up on Cielo drive the Manson family wiped out five people with hardly a sound. Screaming sounded like partying to the neighbors across the canyon. The sound of gunshots didn’t even prompt a call to the police. It happens, more often than you think. JMOE

 

[Palinsmom]

I've seen several posts about the suspects parents bankruptcies. Can someone give me a direct tie in from the bankruptcies to theses murders?

I'm trying to figure out how an adult killers parents financial problems contributed to him killing four innocent people who had no connection to them or their bankruptcies. JMO.

I might be incorrect but I believe the original discussion started with how was college affordable and perhaps that was the reason for his choices in college and locations. Then as people continue to reply the actual very first post and the original purpose for the post gets lost per se. I’ve tried to read every single post and I can honestly say I have seen this happen repeatedly on different topics.

Very similar to the ‘telephone game’ in school. All the students line up the 1st student whispers something to the next and it gets passed down the line then stated at the end to see how different the statement is.

Not sure if this answers your actual question but I hope it helps.

 

[RANCH]

This.

I'm also curious why the physical type of home in which he grew up has any bearing on this, whatsoever, as some have commented on his home being manufactured.

Manufactured home, igloo, mansion, hut, log cabin, trailer, penthouse, yurt, tepee, estate, palace---what does it have to do with a 28-year old committing mass murder?

Is the implication that he was poor and this led to his crime? Because I don't think I even need to point out the fallacy of that argument.

If anything, the fact that he grew up in an intact family is often the most important indicator for stability. He had both of his parents as well as siblings, and yet he did what he did.

So, IMO, we need to focus on the one suspect and his responsibility alone, if he's proven guilty.

Jmo

Thank you. Very well said and I agree with you.

 

[NottaYutz]

Honest question:

I have absolutely ZERO experience or knowledge of jail systems ( I do they are different then prisons). But when someone is in jail do they have access to television etc?

I only ask because I’m wondering if he is watching the news and basking in the glory of being center of discussions and how great he perceives himself.

The city/county jails' cells I encountered when I was a reporter were devoid of radios, TVs, and cell phones. Just tiny (and almost always stinky) holding cells with sink/toilet/fold-down wall bed.

 

[kittythehare]

The floor plan always becomes interesting during trial. Police will have a theory about how the suspect entered the home, who was murdered first, whether the suspect expected two of the tenants to have a guest, how the suspect left the house, where his car was before, during, and after the murders.

I think he parked here and entered the property through the back lane.

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I'm wondering whether he parked up there overnight and walked home and collected it a few days later?

That would provide an alibi of sorts for the vehicle, went socialising, drank too much, walked home../
No evidence of that, just thoughts.

 

[RANCH]

I might be incorrect but I believe the original discussion started with how was college affordable and perhaps that was the reason for his choices in college and locations. Then as people continue to reply the actual very first post and the original purpose for the post gets lost per se. I’ve tried to read every single post and I can honestly say I have seen this happen repeatedly on different topics.

Very similar to the ‘telephone game’ in school. All the students line up the 1st student whispers something to the next and it gets passed down the line then stated at the end to see how different the statement is.

Not sure if this answers your actual question but I hope it helps.

Then I would ask how would the affordability of a college contribute to this suspect killing four innocent people?

If he went to a more expensive college he would have never harmed a soul?

 

[veronica.mars]

This.

I'm also curious why the physical type of home in which he grew up has any bearing on this, whatsoever, as some have commented on his home being manufactured.

Manufactured home, igloo, mansion, hut, log cabin, trailer, penthouse, yurt, tepee, estate, palace---what does it have to do with a 28-year old committing mass murder?

Is the implication that he was poor and this led to his crime? Because I don't think I even need to point out the fallacy of that argument.

If anything, the fact that he grew up in an intact family is often the most important indicator for stability. He had both of his parents as well as siblings, and yet he did what he did.

So, IMO, we need to focus on the one suspect and his responsibility alone, if he's proven guilty.

Jmo

Sorry! I brought up the manufactured home just to respond to posters wondering why they couldn't afford a lawyer or how could they have bought such a nice home after bankruptcy. I just meant to say they may just be normal-incomed people living a normal life. (I don't think any of this matters either and wish there were a way to less obtrusively answer. Please don't let the house turn into the dog!)

 

[crhedBngr]

Former FBI official explains how agents tracked, surveilled Bryan Kohberger

Kohberger's attorney said he plans to fight the charges against him, while law enforcement official said they are confident he was responsible for the murders.

www.newsweek.com

This guy thinks the FBI could have done it. Which would make sense because they are one agency across state lines and don't have bunches of local LE where the info could get out. I don't know but I guess we will find out definitively one day or...it may never come to light because the FBI doesn't want us to know.

THIS^^^^.

JMVHO.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

I might be incorrect but I believe the original discussion started with how was college affordable and perhaps that was the reason for his choices in college and locations. Then as people continue to reply the actual very first post and the original purpose for the post gets lost per se. I’ve tried to read every single post and I can honestly say I have seen this happen repeatedly on different topics.

Very similar to the ‘telephone game’ in school. All the students line up the 1st student whispers something to the next and it gets passed down the line then stated at the end to see how different the statement is.

Not sure if this answers your actual question but I hope it helps.

Clarity fully achieved. The reference to the “telephone” game around the campfire (for me) is perfect. Somewhere along the way…all is lost. The end result never reflects the beginning (not even close). That’s what occurred here. LE makes an arrest, and his parents finances are under scrutiny. No correlation whatsoever. Here’s a tip: How about NOT getting arrested in the first place? That’s the best way to help out your folks who are funding your ride. I can’t imagine ANY of this is EASY On them. JMOO.

 

[Charlot123]

This is basically the problem of evil. People need to find a mental disorder or they’re faced with the idea that a perfectly healthy person can be evil and commit horrific crimes.

Personally I believe in evil existing but I do think the FMRI studies comparing the brain functions of people deemed psychopaths is interesting. I don’t think it matters much in the legal context but may change how people view responsibility and culpability.

I believe evil exists, but it is just a certain constellation of genes, and really, often they come from both sides of the family, to form a unique "set" that predisposes the person to certain behaviors.

If the guy's brain lights up like a Christmas tree on PET scan when he is shown the photos from the CS, then maybe, there once will be some medications that could block this anticipatory release of endorphins in response to his triggers? They could work for other problems, too, maybe, gambling, or shopping addiction, or gaming, so it might be not only for him, or for his group.

 

[Sanz]

They run tags and driver's license in Indiana.

I live in Washingtom. I believe it depends on the officer. I've been pulled over and the officer came to my window and said “This is an educational stop, I am not going to give you a ticket but the speed limit is 40 mph you were going 50 mph”. He went back to his car and I pulled back onto the road.

 

[sleepingmonkey]

Sorry! I brought up the manufactured home just to respond to posters wondering why they couldn't afford a lawyer or how could they have bought such a nice home after bankruptcy. I just meant to say they may just be normal-incomed people living a normal life. (I don't think any of this matters either and wish there were a way to less obtrusively answer. Please don't let the house turn into the dog!)

lol or how she can afford a range rover...thank goodness those discussions are over. I quit for a few days when all that was happening. If the house or veganism turn into anything like Murphy or the range rover, I'll take another few days off.

 

[WingsOverTX]

Regarding the parents’ bankruptcies and BK’s education path: BK would be able to borrow up to full cost of attendance with private student loans at the MA and even PhD level, even with tuition waiver and a modest stipend.
I’m curious if he may be providing some support to family, especially if they’re coming out of recent bankruptcy—which was also about the same time he would’ve started Masters. Plus his own other expenses, or car, etc.
Although ostensibly for education-related expenses and the student loan would go to school first, any excess is quickly distributed back to the student after all tuition & fees are paid.
IMHO

Huh? He's using a car registered to his mother. I guess in theory, some student loan money could be going to support his parents' household now or in the past.

Personally, I seriously doubt it.

Depending on the type of bankruptcy, credit can be established well before 10 years after so it's unlikely that he is carrying any financial burden for them from a years-ago event now.

We don't know if misfortune like medical debt (which can lead to filing bankruptcy) could have created a difficulty in the lives of his parents. And it's none of our business either.

MOO

 

[cheetostock]

An uncle's divorced wife stated his fondness for meat free pots and pans was similar to OCD. That is an alleged description from a layperson based on no medical factual acquisition/
AFAIK

My point exactly.

 

[otto]

I'm wondering whether he parked up there overnight and walked home and collected it a few days later?

That would provide an alibi of sorts for the vehicle, went socialising, drank too much, walked home../
No evidence of that, just thoughts.

He lived 20 minutes driving distance, 12 km/ 9 miles, from the crime scene. He didn't walk home.