ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 47

[bunkhead]

I was just thinking this could be a motive for a really sick and twisted individual who holds major resentment towards their own family. Destroy their lives worse than killing them would by forcing them to live with what their son did.

This is like We Need to Talk about Kevin

 

[XtremeScorpio]

Link for PA State Police press conference

PAcast

pacast.com

Thanks for the link. I listened while doing a few things around the house.

I saw they walked him by the cameras. Was that to the hearing or were they escorting him back to a cell?

Sorry, probably a stupid question but is there a time set for the anticipated press conference?

 

[ArmChairDet]

I've been thinking about this now. It is kinda funny, yet lucky (and also logical), how murderers getting caught in connection to a traffic violation is a thing. First that comes to mind is the murderer of Faith Hedgepeth, who was caught due to a DUI and therefore his DNA entering the system (I am waiting for updates so bad on that one). So now we have BK who seems to think he is oh so smart, but still does not even manage to avoid a seatbelt charge - and even uses that very same car for a murder!

IMO, the common denominator in traffic violations and commiting murder is lack of impulse control (and, often, yes, a certain disregard for rules). One of my professors at uni was doing research on driving ager/road rage and pointed out, that it is one of those contexts, where it is socially acceptable to lash out at minor details, so it reflects how anger-prone a person is way better than general life-situation surveys, where the social-aceptablity-bias causes people to distort their answers. I feel like this difference in acceptability might be extended to attitude towards law violations (traffic vs other) and maybe even some other aspects, too (someone who steals a bread is seen as a criminal, even in hungry, though frankly, it is not hurting anyone as big stores throw away tonnes of food; while someone driving with a red light is seen as a minor thing, even though you are endagering the lives of others at the sake of your own impatience).

Anyhow, no idea how big of a role that seatbelt charge played in BK getting caught, but it reflects to me that he is so very far from a mastermind. I'm still waiting for possible very personal motive regarding one or more of the girls.

I am not sure a personal motive will ever be known. He will plead innocent and not offer a motive.

IMO there are unlimited options.
- could have picked based upon observance
- could have made a unsuccessful pass, it has bee stated that he did not pick up social cues. I also remember a statement that girls were especially hard on him in school. In general I haven't seen women go out of their way to bully unpopular males without some factors. Might have been as simple as him attempted to enter a circle that he was not welcome.
- could have been uninvited to their house party , been asked to leave and offended
- I know the thought is the girls were the target. Could have been to Sigma Chi party and been booted for not being invited. Followed XK and EC home for revenge.
- Might have been in the restaurant that MM and KC worked had them as servers and felt jilted.
- might be the incel type that just wanted revenge on attractive outgoing women.

If we find a reason it will probably be proposed by prosecution. Cell phone pings that show who he followed or came in contact with. I would imagine that the computer forensics may show who he watched on social media.

 

[PrairieWind]

What a nightmare they are living.

Agree. I often feel very sorry for family of killers, parents and/or children. Sort of silent victims of the crime.

 

[rsd1200]

@4:57 he's exiting court

 

[Tortoise]

Thanks. He appears overwhelmed and vacant. IMO

I thought vacant too. With just a whiff of arrogance.

 

[BUF]

1/3 Bryan Kohberger waived his extradition hearing. He had to sign a waiver in court. The judge explained to Kohberger the charges against him in Idaho and that he was voluntarily allowing authorities to transfer him to Idaho.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610376695223123968

 

[Cindizzi]

Thanks for the link. I listened while doing a few things around the house.

I saw they walked him by the cameras. Was that to the hearing or were they escorting him back to a cell?

Sorry, probably a stupid question but is there a time set for the anticipated press conference?

4:30 Eastern Time

 

[juliasalmons]

Agree. I often feel very sorry for family of killers, parents and/or children. Sort of silent victims of the crime.

Not only are they victims, but they never get treated as such. Quite the opposite.

 

[sleepingmonkey]

will also have the presser at 4:30 pm est

 

[makayla]

I think unfortunately BCK's family members are just additional collateral damage! A very sad situation, I can't imagine being in their shoes.

 

[Choochoobella]

Jennifer Coffindaffer, retired FBI agent, in discussion with WFLA reporter before the Tuesday hearing, says she thinks the defense team representatives taking only about an hour to inspect the home of the crime scene might mean that Bryan is cooperating. Not sure I understand her assumption.

Jennifer said Bryan's commission of the crime was "somewhat flawless" in that it took so much LE energy to make this arrest: 60+ FBI agents, Moscow police and Idaho police. Not sure I agree with her assessment. This arrest was FAST, in my opinion.

Cofffindaffer was asked what she thought about Bryan asking if anyone else was arrested. She said the comment was either a spontaneous question or maybe he was trying to throw off LE by implying there was someone else involved.

Bryan is only being charged with a single count of murder right now because all they have to show is that they have what's needed to prove probable cause against one individual to get Bryan off the streets.

 

[ilovewings]

Damn, I really feel for his parents as well

I will tell you what is getting on my nerves: people suggesting the father is implicated in this because they were on a long car ride together: I just heard a cable anchor bring up that issue: that is so outrageous - I am sure he is so upset and that he of course believes his son is innocent. No parent wants to believe their offspring is a mass murderer! Social media just puts out crappy rumors and thousands of people run with it! His reputation could be ruined by this type of rumor with absolutely not one scintilla of evidence behind it. Rant over

 

[ArmChairDet]

I am disturbed by LE allowing the press THAT close (inches) to BK's family. Forcing them to do the "perp walk" is unnecessary trauma for them. THEY aren't the ones on trial.

I also blame press. I am sure that some shouted inappropriate questions as well.

 

[Lalalacasbah]

For all we know, he's like that guy who went to Utah in the 70's, I believe it was, and deliberately and random killed gas station attendants/convenience store workers (I'm hazy on the details) because Utah had the death penalty and not only that, I believe he specifically desired to be put to death by firing squad, which only Utah had.

He got his wish. I found his name:

Ronnie Lee Gardner - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So self sabotage/self hatred and death wish? Definitely could be. I thought he seemed so arrogant from what I've read and seen.

I'm eager to see how this all unfolds and if anyone gets a better sense of his motive, personality and behavioral diagnosis (although you pretty much nailed it early on with a profile before he was named suspect which was great)!

 

[BUF]

Notes- -He kept looking at his mom and sister’s -At some point he mouthed out something to them (unclear) -He said he made the decision voluntary— nothing more than “yes,” “I understand,” -Ann Taylor will rep him in ID

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610377148308520970

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610377150099755008

 

[PrairieWind]

I was shocked to hear no insanity defense in Idaho, I thought that was allowed everywhere (I'm in Canada).

However, we had an extremely heinous crime here where a man (Vince Li) was off his meds IIRC during the crime and now he free when he should not be. Part of me thinks there is definitely a time and place for that defense! Another discussion and off topic... But now I have to look up other states that don't have this, as am curious now.

It is a bit incorrect to say there is NO insanity defense in Idaho. But it is pretty much irrelevant here anyway as he is most likely not even close to being able to qualify.

 

[sds71]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1610377148308520970

Anne Taylor is the Kootenai County Chief Public Defender

 

[10ofRods]

Could they have gotten it from the ticket he was given for failing to wear a seatbelt? Where I am we have to sign a form…..

Wow - yes, but they would have had to know his name first.

Here's my list of at least 10 ways the prosecution is going to nail him:

1. Car caught on camera night of murders and other movements of the car
2. Car contains DNA evidence and blood from victims and will be damning all by itself
3. Victim DNA will be found in his possession at his apartment
4. Geofencing/digital evidence will put him in the same areas as some of the victims for 2-3 weeks before the murders, if not more; stalking will be a component here
5. Internet searches (gained by warrants for the major search engine companies) will reveal he researched details of his crime
6. There will be receipts/evidence of purchase of various elements that went into the crime, possibly including the knife
7. His DNA matches stranger DNA found in the intimate zone of the murders (Lucky #7 for LE)
8. Fiber analysis will show he drove the Elantra and those fibers are also inside the crime scene
9. Character witnesses will speak to his volatility and attitudes towards women; Prof B may be put on the stand to state in court that she bent the rules for him to get his Master's and she may be asked if she now feels manipulated by him - and she will say yes, citing the fact that she never knew him personally when she said he was so smart (she's already doing that publicly)
10. His phone use will show a dramatic lack of use in the hours leading up to the murders; regular use of it will resume the next day; experts will testify he left it on youtube autoplay at home as a kind of alibi and that such usage by him is not typical

There could be more. DNA from drains in the murder house; DNA from sink trap in his house. The list is going to be very long and even 1-2 of these things would make many juries convict. His defense is going to go for a plea bargain or some other method of reducing sentencing. He probably wants a trial and will likely get one and reject attorney advice about a plea bargain. Whoever defends him, I bet he'll be one of their most difficult clients of all time.