ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 18

[AuntTricia]

A couple of posters have postulated that two knives were used. If they are thinking one knife in each hand, that is hard to do. Most people handle a tool in one hand, not handling a tool in each hand. To use a knife in each hand, and use them effectively in a combative engagement, requires training. Most people are not that physically coordinated. ("Most" is an analytical qualifier. For example, "most people" cannot run a four minute mile, but there are some who can.)

For several years, I did a survey of military and security personal combat from the 20th century, and for the most part, the knife work is done with one knife in one hand. There are some traditional "martial arts" disciplines that use two knives, but these are a minority.

I don't think he used one knife in each hand. I think he definitely had a back knife up, though. <MOO

 

[BootBoneBellBall]

I could easily see it being someone from the frat that went with e and x to their place to continue with an after-party or whatever. Either something happened before they arrived at the house or when they got there, such as a simple argument.

M and k arrive a bit after and see the killer hanging out with e and x. This is before the killings happened. After K and M go upstairs to the room to settle down for the night, something triggers the killer to kill E and X on the second floor. He flipped and lost control. People become extra aggressive under alcohol and drugs, which couldve been consumed at the previous party or at the house itself. He knows he has to kill K and M because they saw him last hanging out with E and X before they were murdered.
It would explain the theory that xana or ethan was the target, and not the other two.

All just speculation though. I wish murphy could talk.

 

[Celt1997]

??? The drips I’m seeing are far too high to have come from a counter unless the counter is on the floor above.

If it's the picture we were discussing earlier, that cabinet is a "lower" cabinet. The photo was taken with a downward angle showing the bottom cabinet, and the lower part of the refrigerator.

 

[OldCop]

What is randomly targeted?!

You're either targeted, or it's random. There's no-in between.

There sorta could be. You want to kill but you have no one particular in mind. You wander around RANDOMLY looking for an easy TARGET.

 

[Emerald15]

A couple of posters have postulated that two knives were used. If they are thinking one knife in each hand, that is hard to do. Most people handle a tool in one hand, not handling a tool in each hand. To use a knife in each hand, and use them effectively in a combative engagement, requires training. Most people are not that physically coordinated. ("Most" is an analytical qualifier. For example, "most people" cannot run a four minute mile, but there are some who can.)

For several years, I did a survey of military and security personal combat from the 20th century, and for the most part, the knife work is done with one knife in one hand. There are some traditional "martial arts" disciplines that use two knives, but these are a minority.

 

[isabella88]

Within hours of discovery of the crime scene, rumors of multiple stabbings of students circulated widely and even made it onto an online “news” site as an unconfirmed rumor.

Technology and the internet both have very dark sides and this case is a great example of that. I do have sympathy for LE having to deal with the internet--and even people like us here on WS--but as they say, it is what it is. IMO, that's why LE has to choose its words very carefully in these times.

However, even before there were telephones or telegraphs there has been word-of-mouth. LE should feel pressured.

All JMO.

 

[Friday Fan]

I understand and accept that the investigators will not and should not disclose a lot of details. They have to do their job. I sincerely hope they have a lot of answers to our questions already, which means they they are getting closer to catch the monster.

I still think that the killer may be from another country as then he can simply dissappear after the killings and everyone who knows them will assume that they went to their native country and would not think twice about their departure. Also, it is more difficult to an observer from a small town to 'read' someone from another country, a lot of strange things of their behaviour the observers may explain with that person different upbringing, but it is often not the case. It is also very often that even the closest friends of someone from another country may not know a lot of details of that person's background such as military background or involvement in war, issues with LE in their native countries. Often people do not advertise such experiences. For more than half of my life I have been living long period of times <modsnip> in few foreign countries and know this from personal experience.

On the other hand, to certain level same could be said for everyone who moved to Idaho from another part of the country and who can easily hide their past. He is not a novice to rage and killing, I think.

<modsnip: Quoted post was edited> There are 24,000 residents in Moscow and then there is the university. It isn't a large town, but even in small towns with the "killer in plain site", the crime is often hard to solve.

 

[Celt1997]

Kaylee’s dad iterated on Fox that both Kaylee and Madison slept in the same bed as the other bed was made(unused)

I have to believe he is cleared to say all of this, but I really wish he would stop with the interviews.

 

[ObsessedNightOwl]

exactly how someone could break into a house with 6 roommates without fear.
The house was NOT isolated, and there was more than one victim. It's a brazen and bold crime.

Very much agree......the crime is so brazen and bold it almost defies imagination....reason why it is generating so much interest and fearfulness from the public.

Also pressure on LE to solve - that something so brazen and bold should be solved and arrests made very quickly.

 

[Emerald15]

Thanks To the poster clarifying the usage of 2 knives. Can’t find your post right Now.

 

[jcamh]

The aspect no-one had approach prior the last pages of previous thread:
THE FOOD
So, once again, I apologize in advance should this become the new DOG / UNCONCIOUS / FRIENDS, but I've been wondering that did K&M ever eat the food they brought?
Was this food break something the surviving roommates heard, and were they still up and about at the time or in their beds (it's said they "returned home by 1 a.m", but nothing more)?
Did the 2 of them eat it or did all 4 or even 6 of them hang out together?
In what room? Was the perp watching at that time or not?
Was there any importance in the possible conversation between the 2/4/6?
Was the plan to eat up and settle in for the night or to have some food and continue partying?
No, I don't try to go any direction with it, it is just that this part of the timeline, very close to the murders, is rather fuzzy to me.

Their food order was small, you can hear the guy on the food truck video say, it was $10. My guess is that they were hungry enough to eat it in the car on the way home. You can tell in subsequent food truck orders that when people were ordering for 2 people, the bill was $30. I think they ordered like a chicken taco.

 

[Emerald15]

I don't think he used one knife in each hand. I think he definitely had a back knife up, though. <MOO

Do you think he used the back up knife? I would think the initial knife would be damaged somenow at least after the second, or third stabbing.

 

[Friday Fan]

Ethan resided at his fraternity house (Sigma Chi) located very near the crime scene.

Ah thanks. Catching up here.

Was wondering also. Also heard he was informally living with Xana. However, if he lived at the frat house, it may explain why he also lived with Xana.

(Large frat house full of guys, lack of privacy, noise, and Xana's BF are all reasons to maintain two residents. I personally would want a place to "get away" MOO)

 

[BlueTunes]

Kaylee’s dad iterated on Fox that both Kaylee and Madison slept in the same bed as the other bed was made(unused)

Makes sense. It was very cold that night.

 

[dgfred]

There sorta could be. You want to kill but you have no one particular in mind. You wander around RANDOMLY looking for an easy TARGET.

Of course they never say targeted like a week before... or like once they noticed the person.

 

[cottonweaver]

I think they really unloaded the dishwasher and put everything from the sink also on the table to check it. You can see the starbucks cup from the sink on the table.

Just looking at that photo and considering that LE have not yet released the scene ( it's still a crime scene in their control as they continue investigation) what do people think?

- that the photographer trespassed on the scene to get the shot, or
- long lens zoom?

 

[whirrledpeas]

Thought I would share this, mostly to make sure articles from her are not linked as MSM:

Fake reporter covering Idaho student murders raises questions

The woman identified herself as affiliated with a student-run newspaper before asking questions during a recent press conference.

www.newsweek.com

 

[OldCop]

Great. Just great. This article just came through on my text notifications. It updates Moscow official statements to the point where they say they don’t know if the house or any of the residents were targeted.

Then the very next line says “But Moscow police told Insider cops still believe the believe the students were killed in a “targeted attack”.

To my count that’s 5 flips in the last 48 hours. Screams of internal discord IMO, and that helps nobody.

• Police probing the killings of the four Idaho students are not sure if the victims were "targeted."
• Detectives don't know if the "residence or any occupants" were targeted, Moscow police said.
• But Moscow police told Insider cops still believe the students were killed in a "targeted attack."

Police investigating the killings of 4 University of Idaho students now say they don't know if the victims were targeted in the attack - NewsBreak

"Detectives do not currently know if the residence or any occupants were specifically targeted," the Moscow Police Department said.

share.newsbreak.com

Discord is the right word. I think it is between the Prosecutor’s office and the various LE agencies. Most people have no idea how stressful working a case like this. You have the families, the community, the press all screaming for answers. They call you stupid, incompetent, some accuse you of cover ups. You keep your nose to the ground and try to plow forward. Now comes one of the high mucky mucks that likes to see his name in print or his face on the tv and he wants to be the big shot on national news. He throws out a statement that contradicts what LE is telling you. LE tries to correct his statement. It becomes a back and forth that makes everyone look foolish. If you must stick your face in front of a camera or a microphone, how about getting on the same page?

 

[isabella88]

Thought I would share this, mostly to make sure articles from her are not linked as MSM:

Fake reporter covering Idaho student murders raises questions

The woman identified herself as affiliated with a student-run newspaper before asking questions during a recent press conference.

www.newsweek.com

What a creep!

 

[BlueTunes]

Coupled with law enforcement calling off the shelter in place so quickly, there was a lot of confusion as to how to assess ongoing risk in the community.

JMO Maybe the killer tried to make the crime scene look different than what really happened to throw LE off track. It worked but not for long. That’s possibly why the changes in their briefings.