Bringing over from end of last thread....about M & K calling J at 2:30 am. Many feel they would have absolutely called 911 if scared. Other thoughts:
Just 2 thoughts.....
#1-WE might always call 911...but who did the surviving roommates call FIRST? When you're that age and freaked out...chances are you're calling mom/dad....or if at 2:00 am....probably a friend first And MOO is that it's very possible M had already crashed out....so K made a few calls from M's number to see if she'd get a response
#2 - I'd" say there are 2 main categories of "911-dialers".....some people feel fairly comfortable doing it and have in several instances over their lifetime. Lots of people are NERVOUS about it (like: I don't want to bother them....it's probably just my imagination....some feel they may potentially make a situation worse by involving the police (ie. getting a friend or family member in trouble....and they want advice/guidance/reassurance on what to do. This DOES track with they way K's sister A described that K would often call just to ask....what should I eat today?
Side note: I'm a daughter of a 30yr police SGT in Chicago. I was home alone in my first house...and someone came to the door selling something (some product, whatever) and it was pitch dark outside. Was trying to be polite, like, Yeah, I'll check with my husband....guy says: Oh I can wait, why don't you go ask him.....No, he's asleep right now (didn't want to admit I was alone)....Then I get him to leave....and realize there's no car in my driveway or in front of the house.....WEIRD....how did he get here? Got a very creepy vibe and was SCARED as he walked across my lawn to....who knows where? But instead of 911 (cause I thought I'd sound like a silly 25 year old) - I called my dad. He was not too happy...."Hang up with me and call 911 - it's not silly, it's THEIR JOB!!" Never happened again, but I needed a push to do it.
I think you could be onto something and like you I’ve thought about the calls to J from M&K many times and thought of all types of reasons to make those calls make sense.
MOO/IMO - I think they did possibly get spooked by something… maybe they arrived home and heard something or possibly even saw a dark figure outside the house….
Based off of the way K’s family describes she a J’s relationship, they were still very close although being broken up. It’s possible it wasn’t uncommon J would show up at the house after a night out without needing to call. Family says they were together 4 or 5 years. They shared a dog together… good terms…
Maybe she and M heard or saw something assumed it was him… K calls once to
Would it be possible that the girls went to different bedrooms at first. K started drunk dialing Ex but he did not answer after several tries she goes over to M room to see if they could call from Ms phone. They start talking and pass out together. The dog is still in Ks room and the girls are in Ms room.
The phone calls to J from M and K still puzzle me so much as well.
IMO- K’s family says they dated I think 4 plus years. They were on very good terms, very close, shared a dog together. I feel the same way you do about it likely just being her calling him after getting home from the bar because it was normal for her to do that after a night of drinking and maybe when he didn’t answer , M called him because let’s be honest…. When you are a young woman drinking all night and you call your longterm ex bf and he doesn’t answer… you could very easily ask your bestie to call and see if he’s just avoiding you or if he’s actually asleep. (Female perspective here… )
MOO- I believe it’s also possible after arriving home from the bar, K and M go inside and do the obvious thing any pet owner would do after being gone all night at a bar… they let the dog out to use the bathroom. I mean it makes sense.
It is believed the house was watched and targeted. That perp most likely entered via back door and or window… murders take place between 3:00-4:00. Girls are known to be home and awake from 2:00-2:52 am.. Id bet he was already there watching either from woods or in car from side street.
Could this explain those calls? I think so.
Again MOO - I think it’s possible while letting the dog out , either the dog or the girls got spooked by something. Possibly they thought they saw something move in the woods behind the house. Maybe something just felt off… Police do say house was targeted..
Did they get momentarily spooked, but didn’t overthink it because they had been drinking? And that’s why they called J.. their close friend and bf? Would help explain those calls.. no answer and intoxicated, don’t overthink it and go to bed together either out of slight fear or because it was normal for them… moo- that’s also pretty common for girl best friends in college after a night of drinking. IMO
Or.. again Moo.
Did they get home, let the dog out, put the dog in K’s room because it’s the obvious place he’d sleep and feel most comfortable and crawled into bed together as close girlfriends do after drinking.
Once settled is it possible they thought they heard someone attempting to get into the door downstairs? Assumed it might be J stopping by after going out… wouldn’t be that unusual based off of how family describes their relationship. K calls first and no answer then M and no answer. They brush it off and pass out. Not uncommon to hear things in a house with that many people.
We all know decision making is impaired, fear is decreased while intoxicated.
So it’s possible.
MOO… it makes sense that the calls could have simply been from an eerie feeling or something they heard. Obvious person to call is J. I do not believe they thought they were in danger though.
I believe they’d have texted or called more than one person if so.
Which is why I believe the only logical reasons to call J that many times is:
- drunk dialing
- heard or saw something and assumed it could be him, or ask what to do… after no answer brushed it off and passed out.
- do not believe girls felt like they were in any actual danger.
- do believe the calls are relevant in some way to the investigation.
For the record…. I do not believe K’s ex boyfriend J had anything to do with this.
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