ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 38

[WildWest]

i'm sorry, I need my <<rolling santa>>. Cuckoo for coco puffs, rushing to post it first while lamenting that it was leaked. <<eyes stuck in rolled position>>


"Coffindaffer critiqued the release of the footage and warned it can hinder the investigation as multiple outsiders attempt to solve the case themselves.

'As feared, as time goes by, evidence, including video will continue to be leaked,' Coffindaffer wrote on Twitter. 'Whether for money or attention or whatever the motive, it is not right and will not help LE in their investigation. Don't we all want this case solved?'"

New surveillance photo shows Idaho students in bar on night of murder

Kaylee Goncalves and Madison Mogen were in downtown Moscow hours before their deaths. The leaked surveillance photo was taken from the Corner Club bar at 1.32am.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Who leaked it?

 

[jumpingjackflash]

In that case, the source is JD and not the sister using the phone records. I am sure LE had access to his phone, just never heard that Sister was in touch with JD regarding voicemail. Entirely possible.

It is easy for me to conjure a scenario where the on-again off-again bf plays the voicemails for the family while they are together. I would want/expect that if I were in the Goncalves' situation.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

After viewing the last public repot with LE, I believe the case is progressing. DNA evidence is available, a narrowing trace of the car. Reports are coming in with valid evidence. The officer seemed confident and focused. Good sign.

 

[somequestions]

Since Xana Kernodle's father was inside the home changing out locks the week prior to the murders, I think it may have been Xana who had a feeling something was wrong.

That is the main problem with this case. Without a clear motive, it is hard to understand whether this was personal and targeted or a stranger killer. We all make guesses because we do not know.

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

Can you still listen to police scanner in Moscow Idaho, or have Moscow PD gone digital encryption?

Since Xana Kernodle's father was inside the home changing out locks the week prior to the murders, I think it may have been Xana who had a feeling something was wrong.

That is the main problem with this case. Without a clear motive, it is hard to understand whether this was personal and targeted or a stranger killer. We all make guesses because we do not know.

Maybe Kaylees stalker report had them all rethink security? Stalkers can do things that only the victim knows they are there. Stalkers can be well versed at being manipulative.
Digital keylocks were being hacked, and are no good if the pincode is handed out.
Maybe the stalker had damaged the lock?

No doubt, landlords in Idaho will be upgrading security for fear of litigation. IMOO

This is a motiveless crime in my opinion. In my opinion,the house was targeted because it was high profile with strong public social media publication in my opinion.

I feel this person has killed elsewhere with a university theme imo. This is pure fantasy imoo.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

So you think they have a main suspect? Just intuition or do you have reasons to think that? Reasons you can post on here?

Simple speculation on my part. I would rationalize (hope) that LE has gathered a multitude of evidence. Some may support different theories and POI. LE is keeping a tight lid on things. In my experience, this usually means they are building a case and can’t risk contamination or failure through transparency and undesirable, unwarranted publicity. JMOO

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Since Xana Kernodle's father was inside the home changing out locks the week prior to the murders, I think it may have been Xana who had a feeling something was wrong.

That is the main problem with this case. Without a clear motive, it is hard to understand whether this was personal and targeted or a stranger killer. We all make guesses because we do not know.

Experts make guesses as well. It’s how we all GET THERE eventually. Keep hypothesizing, thinking, and visualizing. Cast the net responsibly…and cautiously…but WIDE nonetheless. JMOO

 

[z0mer]

Since Xana Kernodle's father was inside the home changing out locks the week prior to the murders, I think it may have been Xana who had a feeling something was wrong.

That is the main problem with this case. Without a clear motive, it is hard to understand whether this was personal and targeted or a stranger killer. We all make guesses because we do not know.

Didn't he fixed the lock instead of change it.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

and Coffindaffer added ' As for you DailyMail.com, why are you giving this extra publicity by sharing this unverified leak to millions more?'

YES!! Thank you. DailyMail.com was our first clue. They’re not known for printing “verified” anything.

 

[OckhamsRazor22]

Didn't he fixed the lock instead of change it.

I’d love clarity on this as well. Was the lock replaced or simply fixed? Was the lock code ever changed during the course of her fathers visit or maintained?

 

[Walela]

“Personal” effect. Yes. Agreed. Not vengeance or vendetta. JMOO

Agree completely with personal effect and I also think it's a gauntlet for LE. A challenge to the brightest and best of crime solvers. Sort of a catch me if you can. It wouldn't surprise me if he was sitting back with a vainglorious attitude watching to see if he has correctly anticipated LE's moves in this fiction-come-to-life creation of his and it also wouldn't surprise me if he wore a go-pro and filmed the entirety for his viewing pleasure.

moo,jmo, and out of the box thinking

 

[HopeValleyDevil]

JUST MY THOUGHTS & OPINION:

So, in the meantime the killer must acclimate back into local society. Hiding in plain sight, standing next to the oblivious at the grocery store, or picking up a pizza. A crime of this complexity, mass, and magnitude stays with him every single moment. He’s good at compartmentalizing, but that’s a process. He’s quieted the monster (for now). If he closes his eyes, the scene plays out every single step, lunge, and move - on an endless loop. If he picks up the knife, he’s mentally transported to the violent visuals, struggles, and actual emotions he experienced during that outing. It’s absolutely Bone-chilling to know that right now, as I express these thoughts and hit these keys…he’s out there. Living. Doing similar things as the rest of us. And doing not so similar things as well. JMOO.

Premised on the knife, the house, the car; in my opinion, these are all his fantasy objects. He picks up the knife, he may sit in the car, or revisit the house to relive his fantasy in my opinion only.

The perpetrator will look at another town now in my opinion only. In my opinion, the perp will have a dark DVD collection.

 

[Sundog]

Idaho murders: Police officers being offered counseling amid ongoing investigation into student deaths

University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, 20, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Madison Mogen, 21, were stabbed several times and murdered on Nov. 13.

www.foxnews.com

Embedded in this MSM article is a video of Fox News visiting the Idaho State Police (ISP) Crime Lab and a brief discussion with someone at the Crime Lab about the case.

 

[layer]

That'd be great if you could expand please Layer. Thank you

Sure!
First, both of these interviews were very early on, the first weekend after the murders. Feelings were still very raw.

In the Fox interview, Lawrence Jones, the interviewer is asking:

LJ: We keep hearing this name Jack and phone calls going back and forth. Can you tell us anything about that?
To me, this strongly implies that he is asking about that last series of calls.

In the responding answers:
SG: One of her messages, one of her last messages, she reached out to Jack and said Jack, get back to me. And he didn't, and she goes we share a dog together, which they did. She's like you need to reach out to me.

Immediately after SG says that, K's mom says this:
K's mom: Please come over. She was wanting Jack to come over.
She was wanting Jack to come over.

This parallels the statement she made in the NBC interview, while indisputably discussing that last series of calls:

K's mom: Yeah, and we know who she was calling and this person is, this person was asleep, unfortunately, was not getting the calls. And it was a few calls between, for half an hour she called him a couple times and, but, no, we do not believe she was calling him for help. We believe that she was just calling him to come over.
We believe that she was just calling him to come over.

While we can't be positive, the context strongly leads me to believe that SG was also talking about that last series of calls, between 2:30 and 2:52am.

ETA: Inserted links

 

[crhedBngr]

Idaho murders: Police officers being offered counseling amid ongoing investigation into student deaths

University of Idaho students Ethan Chapin, 20, Kaylee Goncalves, 21, Xana Kernodle, 20, and Madison Mogen, 21, were stabbed several times and murdered on Nov. 13.

www.foxnews.com

Embedded in this MSM article is a video of Fox News visiting the Idaho State Police (ISP) Crime Lab and a brief discussion with someone at the Crime Lab about the case.

RBBM

Possible similarities with the Delphi case?

For those unfamiliar with the Delphi case, please see my signature. I'm referring to Libby German and Abby Williams in Delphi, Indiana.

JMVHO.

 

[CityKid]

Since Xana Kernodle's father was inside the home changing out locks the week prior to the murders, I think it may have been Xana who had a feeling something was wrong.

That is the main problem with this case. Without a clear motive, it is hard to understand whether this was personal and targeted or a stranger killer. We all make guesses because we do not know.

I haven't seen confirmation anywhere that X's father changed the locks. Any source?

 

[al66pine]

DID ROOMMATE CALL, SPEAK w 911? SEE QUOTE from MPD.

Idaho cops offered counseling as pressure intensifies to find suspect

There are no leads and no suspects in the murders of four University of Idaho students six weeks after the brutal slayings.

www.dailymail.co.uk

SBM: Locked in their rooms on the first floor, it was one of these two survivors who placed the 911 call at 11.58am November 13 because they were unable to wake one of the victims and feared she may have passed out.

@EJB123456 Well, FWIW, DM's stmt. does NOT ACCURATELY reflect MPD's stmt. made in its News Releases since Nov. 20.*

Per Moscow LE: " ... 911 call ... made from surviving roommates’ cell phones... Multiple people talked with the 911 dispatcher..." sbm

Does NOT state that roomie called 911, states call was made from one of their cells.
Does NOT state that roomie spoke w 911 but allows for that possibility.

Hairsplitting? Maybe. It's small points like this that conceivably can be ginormous, eventually at trial.

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* King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID Here, from page 2. Nov. 20.
"... On November 13th, at 11:58 a.m., a 911 call requested aid for an unconscious person. The call
originated from inside the residence on one of the surviving roommates’ cell phone. Moscow Police
Department responded to the residence and found the four victims on the second and third floors...."

 

[NuttMegg]

Who leaked it?

Coffindaffer leaked it on to twitter yesterday, iirc the first MSM leak.

I saw it just before that on small you tube sites, tiny channels.

I wouldn't be surprised if Ms C sent it to the DMail for extra publicity for herself. They quoted her. Gave her international attention.

But I don't know who leaked the original screen grab to the conspiracy sites.

Point is that she is wringing the most publicity she can, from her own leak, while lamenting that it's been leaked. Hypocrisy?

Imo

 

[Arkay]

JUST MY THOUGHTS & OPINION:

So, in the meantime the killer must acclimate back into local society. Hiding in plain sight, standing next to the oblivious at the grocery store, or picking up a pizza. A crime of this complexity, mass, and magnitude stays with him every single moment. He’s good at compartmentalizing, but that’s a process. He’s quieted the monster (for now). If he closes his eyes, the scene plays out every single step, lunge, and move - on an endless loop. If he picks up the knife, he’s mentally transported to the violent visuals, struggles, and actual emotions he experienced during that outing. It’s absolutely Bone-chilling to know that right now, as I express these thoughts and hit these keys…he’s out there. Living. Doing similar things as the rest of us. And doing not so similar things as well. JMOO.

If he is in fact a sociopath, this is almost surely true.

Melt right back into society, even if he is friendless or nearly so. Living life just as before, but now with savoring his moment of "triumph," as he would see it.

Whether he has completed his "task" and is satiated, or whether he will strike again when the urge recurs, we don't know.

It shouldn't, but your post reminds me of the old U2 song "Stuck in a Moment." Obviously a completely different scenario in that song, in which a football player is filled with regret, not relief; but the idea of him reliving the crucial moment even as an old man somehow brought this song to my mind.

Jmo

 

[Ozoner]

Since Xana Kernodle's father was inside the home changing out locks the week prior to the murders, I think it may have been Xana who had a feeling something was wrong.

That is the main problem with this case. Without a clear motive, it is hard to understand whether this was personal and targeted or a stranger killer. We all make guesses because we do not know.

It could just be that the lock was broken. It could even be that it was broken because the perp had broken into the house before to check things out.

For all anyone knows he could have been the house many times before watching the girls from a closet or attic area—like the murderer of Hinterkaifeck (but I doubt it).