I have theorized that before. If the property manager used a cleaning service for that residence, someone on that crew could have learned the layout of the house, would know how to clean up behind themselves, and would have access to PPE to avoid leaving biological forensic evidence behind. He might even have the door keycode.
I think you have a great idea about a park etc for a memorial.
Absolutely. Seems like a regular occurrence that once a "notoriety seeking killer" knows that they're in prison for life with no possibility of parole, they will give up a lot of information which may be the truth or may be publicly released details.Article on why police don't want to give up everything they have on a crime.
Darden family murders in Illinois. Not stabbed but mother and child (mother pregnant, 2nd child born) bludgeoned, father shot. Serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells confessed, family not sure. Read story beyond quote because he may give evidence he did it.
Gruesome murder of an Illinois family remains unsolved as the main suspect is executed
Thirty detectives worked the case full time. They interviewed more than 100 people. They tracked down more than 1,000 leads, but came up empty. Nearly 150 evidentiary items were labeled.www.kmov.com
But that was just the beginning for Sells. He claimed he killed up to 70 people throughout the country. He said his nickname was “Coast to Coast.” And authorities found up to two dozen of his claims to be accurate, although he was known to embellish his accounts. He was indeed a serial killer, but later admitted to fabricating some of his stories. But soon, agencies from every state wanted to know if Sells had ever visited their fine towns, in hopes of clearing cold cases from the books.
Had he ever been to Illinois? Sure. Did he know anything about the Ina murders, and the Dardeen family?
Then Tommy Lynn Sells started singing, with a tale of meeting Keith at a truck stop, then changing the story to a pool hall, claiming Keith invited him to his house for dinner and a sexual rendezvous with both Dardeens. When police pressed for details never made public about the murders, Sells answered incorrectly. Then he blurted out the correct responses.
Police felt he had the answers to all the details that had already been made public, but was guessing at the ones that hadn’t been. Sells offered to go to Ina, and walk police through the crime scene. But he was already on death row in Texas, and state laws forbid those prisoners from being removed.
However, he was never charged since prison authorities there would not let him leave the state to assist police in Southern Illinois with their investigation, and they as well as the Dardeen family have doubts about his account of the killings. The case is otherwise cold.
Dardeen family homicides - Wikipedia
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Villisca Axe murders.Article on why police don't want to give up everything they have on a crime.
Darden family murders in Illinois. Not stabbed but mother and child (mother pregnant, 2nd child born) bludgeoned, father shot. Serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells confessed, family not sure. Read story beyond quote because he may give evidence he did it.
Gruesome murder of an Illinois family remains unsolved as the main suspect is executed
Thirty detectives worked the case full time. They interviewed more than 100 people. They tracked down more than 1,000 leads, but came up empty. Nearly 150 evidentiary items were labeled.
But that was just the beginning for Sells. He claimed he killed up to 70 people throughout the country. He said his nickname was “Coast to Coast.” And authorities found up to two dozen of his claims to be accurate, although he was known to embellish his accounts. He was indeed a serial killer, but later admitted to fabricating some of his stories. But soon, agencies from every state wanted to know if Sells had ever visited their fine towns, in hopes of clearing cold cases from the books.
Had he ever been to Illinois? Sure. Did he know anything about the Ina murders, and the Dardeen family?
Then Tommy Lynn Sells started singing, with a tale of meeting Keith at a truck stop, then changing the story to a pool hall, claiming Keith invited him to his house for dinner and a sexual rendezvous with both Dardeens. When police pressed for details never made public about the murders, Sells answered incorrectly. Then he blurted out the correct responses.
Police felt he had the answers to all the details that had already been made public, but was guessing at the ones that hadn’t been. Sells offered to go to Ina, and walk police through the crime scene. But he was already on death row in Texas, and state laws forbid those prisoners from being removed.
However, he was never charged since prison authorities there would not let him leave the state to assist police in Southern Illinois with their investigation, and they as well as the Dardeen family have doubts about his account of the killings. The case is otherwise cold.Dardeen family homicides - Wikipedia
cannot stab people while holding a flashlight; headlamp is so high up, it risks waking them up IMO. this was discussed earlier- were the fairy lights, etc., enough ambient light? someone looked up the moon phase and said there would have been a fair amount of moon light 11/13.
I suspect so too. The Tate/Polanski residence was sold several times before it was eventually demolished and built over. The LaBianca house is still occupied. The Clutter farm and house have been sold several times and is currently occupied, as has the Amityville house. And there is someone living in JonBenet Ramsey's house too.
Thank you for sharing. Glad you are here.Stabbing -- to some, esp those who haven't been stabbed, it sounds pretty easy. Knife in, knife out, under covers, killer barely sees blood, and in, out, in, out, in out, and at some point, done. But it's not quite like that, not like stabbing an inanimate stuffed object.
For one thing, IME and other sources, muscles tighten around the knife or other sharp instrument, and IME, no bone was hit, thank goodness. In my case, the first thing I felt was fluid running out. And shock. I definitely felt that. And I'll put an imo and ime with that, but really, irl that's what I felt. So when I read some of the descriptions about how it was probably easy, I thought I should add a little context and experience.
For those who haven't had the experience, I guess it might be possible to approximate the effort the killer would have been undertaking by stabbing a big, raw roast with a bone in it. IDK if that would work, though, because the animal would be dead, so the muscle wouldn't tighten, and there's only going to be a little blood. And definitely there wouldn't be a look of horror in the eyes of the raw meat, like there probably was for the victims, even if only or a minute or two. No muffled screams from the dead meat, no defensive response, regardless of how faint. The victims in idaho probably experienced all that, so maybe a few steps up in difficulty from stabbing a pillow or something other than a living human or nonhuman. JMO but also IME - something to think about. There are lots of links out there, but this one is safe to share. Stabbing - Wikipedia
Also, maybe there was no blood, but lots of media reports say it was a bloody mess. IDK but IMO if SG is to believed and KG was cut badly, there might have been blood imo jmo. here's one I hadn't seen:
Idaho killer a 'young man' who is 'comfortable' with blood: FBI profiler
A legendary FBI profiler says the killer who butchered four University of Idaho students is a "younger" man who is "comfortable with blood."torontosun.com
some info here that I hadn't seen:
Investigators untangling the Idaho student slayings face a ‘daunting task’: Parsing the DNA
Victims' families and the public are growing impatient with police investigating the University of Idaho stabbings. But analyzing evidence could take weeks.www.nbcnews.com
I thought this was an interesting quote that aligns with my theory. IMO this is likely:
The person who murdered four University of Idaho students last month is "likely to be within a 3-hour distance" from the murder scene in Moscow, according to a former FBI Special Agent. Jonathan Gilliam told Dr Phil McGraw the implications of a quadruple murder suggest the perpetrator would be "exhausted" after committing the crime and fled close by to avoid being detected when the sun rose.
from here: Idaho murder suspect 'likely within 3-hour distance' of murder scene
oh, I think it will be solved, but only after previous cases are linked or future cases reveal. that's JMO & only IMO.
Not necessarily IMO JMO. Probably true if it's for a first-time frat boy gone wild but if it's for someone who lived for this, planned it, has some previous experience, it might just be more like a cool high. IMO JMO IDK. I can't even eat meat, but imo jmo depending on the killer's psychological bent, he might remain cool and focused or feel some sort of omnipotence or orgasmic rush. It really depends imo on who this guy is. and again jmo imo.
Ditto. I went to a good school,I had good grades, and I had a difficult major. But I still had time to date and go out a bit on W, Th, F and Sat. Sunday afternoons maybe. but definitely home on Mondays and Tuesdays. Friday afternoon was a bar similar to the Corner Club but more well-known. Friday night, I stayed home unless it was Friday before a game, then game party or event. Saturday was game day, date night or go out with girlfriends night, if we weren't dating anyone. Or if we were having some relationship drama. Sometimes a party on Saturday, if it was a fraternity or couples thing. Sunday was lunch and movie with the girl gang.
It's funny that all these years later, I still remember my college social calendar, but I bore everyone with this to make a point: as party central as the house might have been, it's pretty normal imo & ime, and it was probably much more predictable than you'd think. And from my grandfather on down, fraternities happened, and none of them would have ever lied for a brother or covered up for a killer. just not. This is, of course, IMO AND IME only.
edited to add after I saw the wow face: yes, I was stabbed, but it was an accident. turns out, that even so, it's still a stabbing, and the doctor was surprised I was so calm (shock), and I explained that it was an accident, and she said BUT YOU WERE STILL STABBED! She was right, of course, and after the shock wore off, it freaked me out, still does even now, and I can tell you it hurts, the pulling out from the muscle is creepy scary, and I think those who minimize it because covers or sleep don't really know what they're talking about, so that's why I had to speak up. imo jmo ime.
There's another one, Steven Downs, who killed fellow student Sophie in the dorm in Fairbanks in 1993. He was found via the same method, the popular dna programs. Well they found him back east, he was found guilty in Alaska, sentenced to 75 years iirc. The reason I'm mentioning it is because one element of his appeal is challenging the use of that method to find people. (Like him). Maybe there have been other challenges, IDK. There a thread here on WS about him.
That would suit the perpetrator down to the ground imo. A memorial to his doings.
And also possibly be able to return AFTER for the cleanup. Or ask questions from the family member who might be there.
I just saw so many people theorizing, making it sound like it's nothing, like stabbing a bag of flour, I just had to say something.
Interesting read!Article on why police don't want to give up everything they have on a crime.
Darden family murders in Illinois. Not stabbed but mother and child (mother pregnant, 2nd child born) bludgeoned, father shot. Serial killer Tommy Lynn Sells confessed, family not sure. Read story beyond quote because he may give evidence he did it.
Gruesome murder of an Illinois family remains unsolved as the main suspect is executed
Thirty detectives worked the case full time. They interviewed more than 100 people. They tracked down more than 1,000 leads, but came up empty. Nearly 150 evidentiary items were labeled.
But that was just the beginning for Sells. He claimed he killed up to 70 people throughout the country. He said his nickname was “Coast to Coast.” And authorities found up to two dozen of his claims to be accurate, although he was known to embellish his accounts. He was indeed a serial killer, but later admitted to fabricating some of his stories. But soon, agencies from every state wanted to know if Sells had ever visited their fine towns, in hopes of clearing cold cases from the books.
Had he ever been to Illinois? Sure. Did he know anything about the Ina murders, and the Dardeen family?
Then Tommy Lynn Sells started singing, with a tale of meeting Keith at a truck stop, then changing the story to a pool hall, claiming Keith invited him to his house for dinner and a sexual rendezvous with both Dardeens. When police pressed for details never made public about the murders, Sells answered incorrectly. Then he blurted out the correct responses.
Police felt he had the answers to all the details that had already been made public, but was guessing at the ones that hadn’t been. Sells offered to go to Ina, and walk police through the crime scene. But he was already on death row in Texas, and state laws forbid those prisoners from being removed.
However, he was never charged since prison authorities there would not let him leave the state to assist police in Southern Illinois with their investigation, and they as well as the Dardeen family have doubts about his account of the killings. The case is otherwise cold.Dardeen family homicides - Wikipedia
It costs money to tear down a house. This isn’t always a feasible thing for the owner. People will still rent it.
I wonder if Kaylee was living at home for a while because of her alleged stalker? Maybe something happened that creeped her out & she decided to get some distance for a while if she could study/work remotely.
