ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #14

[desert-blue]

LE have never never even implied that the 4 POI are guilty of any wrongdoing, let alone named them as suspects or anything else. So no, they won't "clear" them. That's how innocent lives can get ruined forever by out-of-control speculation and accusations.

The POI can't be ruled out because no one knows what happened that dawy. There's no evidence either way.

Do we know there is no evidence either way? (I'm referring to ALL POI's, not just the parents, BTW). No one has said that, at least not that I'm aware of. That's why it's so ambiguous. If there is no evidence either way, I wish LE would just come out and say that. Otherwise, it does leave a cloud of suspicion hanging over the four POIs, even though they haven't been labeled as suspects, IMO (which is unfortunate if there isn't a shred of evidence against them). The sheriff was very clear that he was handing over evidence to the FBI, so if all of that evidence was inconclusive, will they ever make a public statement that says something along those lines? I just find it all confusing - LE hasn't issued an official press release since July 20th.

 

[Rayemonde]

Three cases that come to mind are Lisa Irwin, Ayla Reynolds and Madeleine McCann. They haven't been solved, even though in the first two there appears to be more evidence than in DeOrr's case. Investigators don't give up, but in time, the investigation slows down as clues dry up. Heartbreaking and frustrating, especially when there is blood evidence, as in Ayla's case. JMO

There are threads here on these cases, but here are quick summaries from Wikipedia. The number of investigators in the McCann case has just been scaled back to four, according to the article linked below.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Lisa_Irwin

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Ayla_Reynolds

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34661256

The only case I can think of where the parents were officially cleared but still no one knows what happened to the kid, is Jonbenet Ramsey. And yet the majority of the public are still convinced that the parents did it or at least covered it up, IMO.
:worms:

Of course, that case was nothing like DeOrr's.

 

[MBK]

Three cases that come to mind are Lisa Irwin, Ayla Reynolds and Madeleine McCann. They haven't been solved, even though in the first two there appears to be more evidence than in DeOrr's case. Investigators don't give up, but in time, the investigation slows down as clues dry up. Heartbreaking and frustrating, especially when there is blood evidence, as in Ayla's case. JMOl]

I thought that the monkey had the potential to be the Cuddle Cat of this case. However, the monkey seems too have gone AWOL. Where's the monkey? (and the cup, and the Hot Wheels?) Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[giagreen]

I thought that the monkey had the potential to be the Cuddle Cat of this case. However, the monkey seems too have gone AWOL. Where's the monkey? (and the cup, and the Hot Wheels?) Inquiring minds want to know.

The monkey and cup along with the blanket were in the car. It was crappy reporting.

 

[kammiemc]

The monkey and cup along with the blanket were in the car. It was crappy reporting.

I thought the monkey, cup and blanket were available to the toddler because the parents said that they were concerned (I thought about abduction) because they thought he wouldn't have walked about without those items. But it was reported those items were in the car? (Not challenging in the slightest, just trying to get it straight!)

 

[giagreen]

I thought the monkey, cup and blanket were available to the toddler because the parents said that they were concerned (I thought about abduction) because they thought he wouldn't have walked about without those items. But it was reported those items were in the car? (Not challenging in the slightest, just trying to get it straight!)

Yeah at first it was reported by Nate that all those items were gone also. But later on it came out they were actually in the car. I'll try to find the links here a little bit when I have more time and post them.

As it turned out Nate kind of made a few assumptions that have made this all a bit confusing. IMO

 

[ClaireNC]

The paternal grandfather said that the blanket was in the car, but I don't remember that ever being confirmed. I also don't remember anybody saying where the cup and monkey were when he went missing. I would also be interested in seeing a link if that has been confirmed.

 

[Little Ol Me]

Somebody said it was quite noisey near the creek. I wonder HOW noisey?

Did they have to shout to be heard? Could you hear a vehicle? Shouting?

Or was it just a faint water flowing sound?

I've also wondered about this, and I think it could be a possibility.
I've read and heard a few say that the creek was loud. (Nate & D.K. for sure) Also in a video I saw with the creek, the rushing water seemed loud.
I wondered since the parents & IR. were down at the creek, if they would have heard DK.Jr. cry or scream, or an auto.
I'm not sure how GGP's hearing is, or if he did indeed, as said by the P.I., go into the camper.
Would a predator, whether animal or human, have been heard by the others?

Video with the creek, and the creek does seem loud.
[video=youtube;qvZbH7NSadA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZbH7NSadA[/video]

 

[Yvettea]

I've also wondered about this, and I think it could be a possibility.
I've read and heard a few say that the creek was loud. (Nate & D.K. for sure) Also in a video I saw with the creek, the rushing water seemed loud.
I wondered since the parents & IR. were down at the creek, if they would have heard DK.Jr. cry or scream, or an auto.
I'm not sure how GGP's hearing is, or if he did indeed, as said by the P.I., go into the camper.
Would a predator, whether animal or human, have been heard by the others?

Video with the creek, and the creek does seem loud.
[video=youtube;qvZbH7NSadA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvZbH7NSadA[/video]

The creek looks like it could be pretty noisy especially when it's running full. I assume you could hear a loud enough scream.

The area down to the creek seems to be lined with trees so when DeOrr made his descent to the creek how could DeOrr be seen?

 

[JVWayne]

Has everyone watched this video of a ML stalking a man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4FbHzeCJjM?

The thing that is most striking to me is how much the surroundings remind me of the video from the Timber Creek campsite, especially the grass that hides the ML. A small child playing near the grass would have no chance against this stealthy hunter.

How many known cases are there where a ML steals away a small child or pet without anyone knowing? Very few since these can only be confirmed by finding a piece of physical evidence later. When no physical evidence is ever found, then it is can't be a confirmed ML incident.

The fact is we don't know how frequently a ML steals away a small child or pet. It is impossible to determine. It is strange for people to say it doesn't happen, when we wouldn't actually "know" when it does happen.

 

[giagreen]

Okay, forgive me. I actually read that stuff was left in the truck here I think it was being talked about because the grandpa said the blanket was left in the truck.
But the main point is all three items. The cup, monkey, and blanket where all accounted for and left at the campsite. Where at the campsite....who knows.

“He doesn’t go anywhere without his blanket, his cup or his monkey,” she*told East Idaho News, as she clutched Deorr’s blanket. “All three of them were left at the campground.”

http://mobile.news.com.au/world/nor...nz-jr-on-july-10/story-fnh81jut-1227452566998

Below is the link to the video where Nate says there is no sign of his blanket, his monkey, or his cup. It sounds like he does say after that that they were left behind. But this is clearly where the rummor came from. Point is only the truck and boots and clothes DeOrr was wearing left with him where ever he went.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yIA0NvCxrRE

 

[kammiemc]

Has everyone watched this video of a ML stalking a man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4FbHzeCJjM?

The thing that is most striking to me is how much the surroundings remind me of the video from the Timber Creek campsite, especially the grass that hides the ML. A small child playing near the grass would have no chance against this stealthy hunter.

How many known cases are there where a ML steals away a small child or pet without anyone knowing? Very few since these can only be confirmed by finding a piece of physical evidence later. When no physical evidence is ever found, then it is can't be a confirmed ML incident.

The fact is we don't know how frequently a ML steals away a small child or pet. It is impossible to determine. It is strange for people to say it doesn't happen, when we wouldn't actually "know" when it does happen.

Maybe the closest we could get to figuring it out is to determine how many young children go missing without a trace in areas where mountain lions are known to exist. (And then, whether if, when their remains are found, it shows there is proof or a possibility that a mountain lion was to blame.)

 

[giagreen]

Has everyone watched this video of a ML stalking a man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4FbHzeCJjM?

The thing that is most striking to me is how much the surroundings remind me of the video from the Timber Creek campsite, especially the grass that hides the ML. A small child playing near the grass would have no chance against this stealthy hunter.

How many known cases are there where a ML steals away a small child or pet without anyone knowing? Very few since these can only be confirmed by finding a piece of physical evidence later. When no physical evidence is ever found, then it is can't be a confirmed ML incident.

The fact is we don't know how frequently a ML steals away a small child or pet. It is impossible to determine. It is strange for people to say it doesn't happen, when we wouldn't actually "know" when it does happen.

I think it happens more then we realize. Some dogs that have been taken by ml were only confirmed because of surveillance videos and if not for those videos nobody would of ever known what happen to the dogs. As there isn't blood or anything left behind.
All these missing 411 cases are not as spooky as they sound...well okay I guess spooky maybe but it isn't Bigfoot taking these people. I fully believe we have overlooked the ml on many of those cases. What els in the forest could make whole humans disappear? Its all pretty interesting.

At first I thought DeOrr might have been kidnapped. But just because I have an open mind I decided to look at the ml theory. And seriously for every question I had that made me think it would be impossible I'd always find an answer that made it possible.

Its sad. I really hope a ml didn't get to him because if one did I'm not sure if there will ever be an answer for these parents. I hope they at least find his boots or pants at some point. But because of the lack of any sign of him I really think one may have.

 

[gliving]

Has everyone watched this video of a ML stalking a man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4FbHzeCJjM?

Scary stuff JVWayne. Just so everyone knows, the video-grapher admits editing in the lion roars and using freeze frame to heighten the suspense. It's in the comment section. Still, I wouldn't want to come upon that beast.

 

[kammiemc]

Okay, forgive me. I actually read that stuff was left in the truck here I think it was being talked about because the grandpa said the blanket was left in the truck.
But the main point is all three items. The cup, monkey, and blanket where all accounted for and left at the campsite. Where at the campsite....who knows.

“He doesn’t go anywhere without his blanket, his cup or his monkey,” she*told East Idaho News, as she clutched Deorr’s blanket. “All three of them were left at the campground.”

http://mobile.news.com.au/world/nor...nz-jr-on-july-10/story-fnh81jut-1227452566998

Below is the link to the video where Nate says there is no sign of his blanket, his monkey, or his cup. It sounds like he does say after that that they were left behind. But this is clearly where the rummor came from. Point is only the truck and boots and clothes DeOrr was wearing left with him where ever he went.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yIA0NvCxrRE

No need to apologize! Rumors happen. Reports are varied. And a lot is unclear.


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[giagreen]

The family put pumkins out by where DeOrr was last seen.
I couldn't even imagine how it feels. I hope this family finds some answers.

http://www.rexburgstandardjournal.c...cle_dd9143ce-7cf7-11e5-a2be-b732585d12e4.html

 

[Trident]

Has everyone watched this video of a ML stalking a man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4FbHzeCJjM?

The thing that is most striking to me is how much the surroundings remind me of the video from the Timber Creek campsite, especially the grass that hides the ML. A small child playing near the grass would have no chance against this stealthy hunter.

How many known cases are there where a ML steals away a small child or pet without anyone knowing? Very few since these can only be confirmed by finding a piece of physical evidence later. When no physical evidence is ever found, then it is can't be a confirmed ML incident.

The fact is we don't know how frequently a ML steals away a small child or pet. It is impossible to determine. It is strange for people to say it doesn't happen, when we wouldn't actually "know" when it does happen.

Thank you for this post. I have long contended that many missing children, especially in rural/wild areas, were taken by mountain lions. The problem is, only once in a while is any evidence found - think Jaryd Atadero. http://www.unforgottenchildren.com/jarydatadero.html

 

[Lilibet]

The conversation about DeOrr being taken by an animal reminds me of the case of Lindy Chamberlain in Australia whose baby was taken by a dingo while camping. It took thirty years for her to be fully vindicated, after being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion, the press and an actual courtroom. She was sentenced to life in prison, but it was eventually overturned. This is a fascinating article on the subject.

A point that hits home is the impact of the media, social or otherwise. Lindy felt judged whether she smiled or cried.

Judging the manner of a criminal defendant in a heavily publicized case is no less an issue today. It may weigh more heavily than ever in this age of social media, when everything can be dissected in endless detail by millions of self-styled experts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/17/u...an-scorned-by-australias-news-media.html?_r=0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azaria_Chamberlain

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_Chamberlain-Creighton

 

[neesaki]

The conversation about DeOrr being taken by an animal reminds me of the case of Lindy Chamberlain in Australia whose baby was taken by a dingo while camping. It took thirty years for her to be fully vindicated, after being tried and convicted in the court of public opinion, the press and an actual courtroom. She was sentenced to life in prison, but it was eventually overturned. This is a fascinating article on the subject.

A point that hits home is the impact of the media, social or otherwise. Lindy felt judged whether she smiled or cried.



http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/17/u...an-scorned-by-australias-news-media.html?_r=0

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Azaria_Chamberlain

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindy_Chamberlain-Creighton

That was made into a movie with Meryl Streep wasn't it? I'd like to see that one again, it's been years.

 

[Angiebla]

I am in agreement with the other posters that think a mountain lion was responsible for little Deorr's disappearance.

At first I thought he could be in the reservoir somewhere-but his little body surely would have surfaced by now.