Maybe...just maybe....Trina is trying to get her over the wall because it's the key to finding her grandson???
That's why I said "IF" the other campers didn't know before LE got there, because I think the statement by SB is a bit ambiguous and is open to interpretation. But if VK said he didn't know about the other campers (I don't have the link), then it appears you are right.
ETA Ambiguous in that I'm not sure whether the sheriff meant the couple never saw the Kunz family or if their children that came up never did as the sentence runs on. He probably meant both but not for sure. And if so, I agree with your post.
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SB: Yes, theres the upper part of the reservoir, there was another family camped up there. They actually helped with the search on the first day and maybe even the second day and uh they uh disappeared before we got a chance to interview them but we were able to track them down. We talked to the law enforcement in their community and they helped us track them down and we uh chatted with them and we dont feel like uh they were involved. Its an older couple and they had some of their children come up and uh were fairly confident they never saw um the Kunz family, and were fairly confident they had nothing to do with uh the disappearance.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...php?p=12122056
Good catch on the blanket. Maybe they did bury him with a blanket after all.
At this moment, it wouldn't surprise me at all if VK was there with Deorr at the store at 6 pm on Friday, a filthy, bawling Deorr who had been hidden all day, god knows where. I don't know. Can LE swear on a stack of bibles that they knew the whereabouts of the 4 all day long, from when they arrived to . . . . late in the evening?
It's unclear where the misinformation originated - it could have been poor reporting or it could be that the parents were misleading. However, the news medias all reported that the family arrived Friday morning for a looooong time. No one attempted to correct it.
On August 18th, SB said, Well, the family, from what I understand, that we learned during the investigation arrived the evening prior to July 10th, sometime fairly close to dark on Thursday, July 9th..." I think that was the first official confirmation that they arrived on Thursday, IIRC.
I'm sure I've read somewhere that it's alleged that IR disappeared at some point during the afternoon? Maybe it was him with DeOrr at the store? Maybe VK and JM had hidden DeOrr somewhere and smuggled him out through Leadore with IR? Was DeOrr bawling because he was with a strange man and was IR buying him candy because how else do you get a toddler that's screaming at you to calm down? (thinking about his thought processes, not necessarily my own). As to motive for all that, well I have no idea
FWIW this is my latest theory.
Due to the court case JM had coming up about the $20K debt, they decided to fake DeOrr's kidnapping to raise money for a "ransom". They roped IR into it and asked him to be the one to disappear DeOrr out of the campground while they ran around and all 3 (JM, VK, GGP) of them looked for him and rang 911. IR hid DeOrr somewhere but he unfortunately got spotted trying to buy him candy in Leadore at 6pm. Maybe something really did happen to DeOrr since and he is deceased somewhere up on the mountain but that was not part of the original plan. Unfortunately this all got bigger than Ben Hur. IR was told it'd be a harmless prank, he'd make a few bucks and he didn't want to admit his part to it at the start but perhaps now he has come forward.
This is something I wondered about and not sure if I'm overthinking it. I read that they arrived "just on dark" on Thursday night. According to sunrise/sunset charts, sunset is around 9:30pm in July. That seems awfully late to be arriving in at a campground especially with a toddler. There's a bit to set up and organise and it's a pain in the neck arriving late. Why wouldn't you leave earlier unless it was a last minute decision to head off, or something happened on the way to slow you down ..........like something that causes you to need to fill up gas twice on a journey of 116 miles (from Idaho Falls to Leadore).
20-40 minutes. But, I don't believe it was at all possible for VDK to have gone off on his own after the searchers got there. If he was seen in Leadore with little Deorr after the searchers got to the campground, it would all be over now.
Perhaps I am delusional because I can't seem to locate anything to back this up, but I could almost swear that it was determined that the "filthy bawling boy" story was debunked and that it never happened - that it was never verified to have happened. It seems to me that either SB or Klein stated that there was no clerk or clerks in the store that could say that they had seen Deorr. Also, I'm pretty sure there were posters speculating that VK made this rumour up himself to try to make it look like Deorr was at the store at noon instead. Am I not remembering this correctly? I don't remember LE or Klein confirming the story. JMO.
You are not delusional ... Other people are .... they have resurrected the non-existent filthy bawling baby for the hundredth time .
The whole thing came out during one of the interviews .... Vernal was commenting about some of the wacky witness reports .... such as someone said they saw a filthy bawling baby at the store at 6:00 pm Friday
And Vernal was correct .... it was wacky because the baby was missing since early afternoon and the parents had been at the campsite along with all the other searchers and it is wacky to suggest the parents and the boy could have been at the store at 6:00 pm.
Vernal was correct , the false tip is plain wacky wacky wacky wacky wacky wacky
And we must remember that Vernal also said if anyone claims to have information they should bring it to the Sheriff or FBI.
You are not delusional ... Other people are .... they have resurrected the non-existent filthy bawling baby for the hundredth time .
The whole thing came out during one of the interviews .... Vernal was commenting about some of the wacky witness reports .... such as someone said they saw a filthy bawling baby at the store at 6:00 pm Friday
And Vernal was correct .... it was wacky because the baby was missing since early afternoon and the parents had been at the campsite along with all the other searchers and it is wacky to suggest the parents and the boy could have been at the store at 6:00 pm.
Vernal was correct , the false tip is plain wacky wacky wacky wacky wacky wacky
And we must remember that Vernal also said if anyone claims to have information they should bring it to the Sheriff or FBI.
There was no sighting of a filthy bawling baby at the store. Someone made that up. Yet Vernal was eager to tell everyone that the sighting was him and DeOrr. The sighting that never happened. Vernal didn't say the sighting was a rumour because the clerk saw no filthy, bawling boy, which would have been the truth; instead he said that the man with the filthy, bawling boy was him and DeOrr, just earlier in the day.
There was no sighting of a filthy, bawling boy. Someone made it up. IMO the parents made it up.
Not to quote myself but I found this other non cropped photo and it is a different blanket. It has an embroidered character and letters on it.
Thanks Lillahazel ... along with your blanket picture , here are some of the others
ps: the middle two pictures are from the same video , different angles
Interesting comment by the mother at 2:35 in the video
.... this is his blanket .... he does not go anywhere without his cup , monkey or blanket ..... and all three of them were lost at the campground
So I ask .... what blanket is she holding during the interview ???
Is this another one of those inconsistent statements ?????
http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/heartbroken-parents-of-missing-2-year-old-well-find-you-son/
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All three of them were lost? Along with possibly a toy car? Erm, I don't remember this being on any missing posters, surely they'd want people to be looking for these things?
Is that his cup he doesn't go anywhere without in the picture? It looks new there, as a parent of three I can say that none of mine stayed looking that way for long. The spouts get chewed and the cup part itself starts looking tatty from repeated washing, getting dropped and rolled about etcAll three of them were lost? Along with possibly a toy car? Erm, I don't remember this being on any missing posters, surely they'd want people to be looking for these things?
Interesting comment by the mother at 2:35 in the video
.... this is his blanket .... he does not go anywhere without his cup , monkey or blanket ..... and all three of them were lost at the campground