I absolutely agree with gitana1. There IS no probable cause. What probable cause do YOU "see" regarding the parents (I presume)?
I would say there would be automatic probable cause for a search warrant of the home if a child mysteriously disappears from their home, though. But that's not the case here.
From what I've read David Paulides "believes" Sasquatch took these victims, but he does address many cases of the missing in various forest, camping, park, woods, etc locations.
Yes, I read a bit about the Dennis Martin case, Garrett Bardsley, Jarrd Negrete, JD Phillips. There's SO many I doubt I will ever read them all. Mountain lions are considered to be the most powerful animal in North America. Their power, stealth, leaping and jumping abilities, and how they stalk and close in on their selected prey, their ability to instantly kill much of their prey, not to mention their premolars, makes them a truly silent abductor/killer!
Thanks so much for your research on these victims.
Also, mountain lions attack from behind, grabbing the head/neck area and choking. Prey taken by them typically cannot scream or cry out.
Since it appears there were other cases involving mountain lions I'm guessing this is what happened with Deorr but it still gives me no confidence in sar..three cases I've read about the children were all found later within a mile and one was 500 yards from missing point. .no confidence at all from me.
Aww. I won't criticize SAR. Finding an itty bitty kid in the middle of the vast wilderness is like finding a needle in a haystack. I think they do a great job.
Just an observation..if a family member is going to give pretty detailed answers to questions on SM it seems that it would be more productive to give a real media interview instead.
I wonder if there is some disagreement between family members regarding the way information is being decimated and this was a way of setting some of the record straight by the grandmother.
I just found it a little unusual to use that format for answering some of the more pertinent questions that have been asked here and everywhere else rather than using MSM or even have the actual POIs address the issues themselves though a reporter or other regular media source. Perhaps they have been told to remain silent but if so, it would still strike me as a bit unusual for GM to suddenly start answering questions from random people on FB. Just curious about the motive and how that went over with the rest of the family.
I don't see the media spreading all those rumors though. Or really even reporting on them. So it makes sense they would address the rumors in the forum in which they're made.
If you want to try to mold it into a mistake, that's up to you. Just don't know why you'd want to though.
I think if there was an inconsistency though about the arrival time, LE would've discussed that immediately.
Based on only having heard LE call someone a POI when they thought that person had something to do with/had some inside knowledge of a crime, not because they were present when a child was thought to have wandered off (not thought to have been abducted per the Sheriff himself). POI doesn't have a legal meaning, but it is a term LE uses when they are suspicious of someone, but don't have enough evidence to declare him/her a suspect. Once designated a suspect, LE must mirandize the person before interviewing them.
It is true that typically the term is used nowadays to veer away from 'suspect" so that a person may not get totally defensive and shut down. But if a person is a POI, LE had better Mirandize them before getting a statement. I have seen problems with that before.
So DK's dad could have given consent for a search, since it's his house. Owners of the vehicles would need to agree to those searches to avoid questions later, correct?
Yes.
Or if it's too painful for the parents, appoint a family spokesperson to answer questions and keep DeOrr's face and name in MSM. If he's been kidnapped by a stranger, shutting down communication with MSM because you're afraid people might twist your words, will not help bring DeOrr home. JMO
Who said they aren't in front of MSM every day because they are afraid people might twist their words? I missed that. In missing kid cases where the parents are found to be not at all involved, some parents are constantly before the media. MOST however, in my experience following these cases, are not. They may give one or two interviews, and then that's about it.
I think a lot of these parents are just suffering too hard at a certain point to do all of that. In fact, that is specifically why families often have family spokespersons to make statements and handle media.
I know everyone likes to say exactly what they would do if their loved one went missing. But you just really don't know until you're there, I think.
Things we are not allowed to discuss here:
Diaper disposal
Arrival time
Location of people
Specific disabilities &/or medical devices of anyone
EMT bag specifics
Advice given to family about media
I am certain there are more things said on FB we cannot discuss, but a list is more helpful since people obviously don't know where those things stemmed from and may think we can discuss them.
(Bessie...hope this is okay. If not, please delete.)
The things bolded by me have been mentioned in MSM. So we can discuss them. Just not what is being said in relation to those issues in social media.
Just catching up. Do you have a link that says they have not 'lawyered up'? Thanks!
Eta: How do we know LE has not found any signs of foul play? Would they typically announce if they have?
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Once again, it is quite difficult to prove a negative. I keep getting similar questions. Let me give you an analogy. "I have never eaten a strawberry." "I have eaten a strawberry." Which statement can be certainly proven? What was never done or what was done?
Anyhow, if the family had obtained a lawyer, that would be widely reported and known. How do I know that? By following dozens of these case every year since I was 16. It changes behaviors immeidately, frustrates LE and perks the intense interest of the media.
As to foul play, LE has specifically and repeatedly stated they have no evidence of foul play and do not suspect it. Yes, they have been known to state they have no evidence yet of foul play in some cases and then it later becomes clear that they were pretty sure foul play had occurred when they made the statement, but here they went a step further: "We do not suspect foul play." So they don't suspect it nor do they have evidence of it thus far.
That's strong.
This is my first post and I hope I am doing this correctly. I don't see where your questions were answered so I wanted to be helpful if I can. I am a SAR K9 Handler in Walla Walla County WA State. I was not at this search and if I had been I would not be allowed to discuss what I did. I can however address questions in general on how my SAR Team is deployed and what our training and qualifications are. We are professional volunteers for the Sheriff Department in our county and are deployed only as requested and under the direction of law enforcement. It is not about numbers it is about who is trained to do the job. For example in a situation such as this, our team might have been requested to send field certified ground teams. These are teams that are highly trained in area such as search planning, lost person behavior, land navigation, communications and mapping and the major aspects of the Incident Command System. If requested we could also provide K9 Teams, Horse teams, 4 wheelers, first aid, evac/stokes, transportation and a variety of support teams based on need and what law enforcement in charge of the search requests.
Our training is much more extensive then 1-3 days. We are required to attend several weeks of SAR Training Academy in order to be allowed to deploy in the field. We have ongoing monthly meetings with 2-3 hours training and then each team that provides specialized support also trains individually. We have an annual overnight training for the full team that includes mock searches, shelter in place, communication/mapping/navigation etc. We train for specific situations in the wilderness, water, and snow. Specialty teams such as K9 require a whole other training and certification process in order to be deployed. In WA State we are registered emergency workers and come under the umbrella of the department of the military.
There are many extensive SAR courses available. I travel and train thousands of miles a year to go to outside resources to train my K9s and help others on my team train theirs. We have requirements in order to maintain field certification status and train in what I believe you are calling "course work". K9's must be tested for recertification every 1-2 years. Its important to note as volunteers we pay for all our own expenses. We are not supplemented by any entity and we also have to raise funds within our communities for all team expenses/equipment so every team and every county has different resources in place. We also travel to small communities with minimal resources that need our help.
While there are no national set standards for Search and Rescue I believe for the most part, other teams are managed and organized much like ours. In WA we are developing what we call Core Competencies which will standardize SAR in our state. We are required and tested on measurable or observable knowledge, skills, abilities, and behaviors critical to successful job performance. I hope this helps and is not redundant. I tried to search all the posts to see if it had already been addressed.
I am praying for this little boy to be found. Its one of those situations that clutches at the heart.
Wow! Welcome here!!!! :fireworks::welcome::fireworks:
Thank you for all that helpful information!!!!
