ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #71

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Chad was researching wind direction the previous day when Tylee was still alive. This makes the theory that Lori lost control and killed her less likely.
I do not think this is correct. From the trial summary today the testimony was

"– On Sept. 28, 2019, the user searched: ssw wind. what is the definition of ssw wind."

So it was weeks after Tylee died. It was also a Saturday when presumably Tammy would have been around.
 
He also said it was the 28th (DAY 14 | LIVE UPDATES: Temple visits, cell phone activity, emails, and more presented in Daybell trial - East Idaho News). It is at the 11:06 point

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the final correct date was. If it really was the 8th that would be much more significant.
The witness says the search was significant because it was the day before the 'burning limbs/raccoon' incident. I think that means it has to be the eighth, or he wouldn't have said that.

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He also said it was the 28th (DAY 14 | LIVE UPDATES: Temple visits, cell phone activity, emails, and more presented in Daybell trial - East Idaho News). It is at the 11:06 point

I guess we'll have to wait and see what the final correct date was. If it really was the 8th that would be much more significant.
Ok, I just listened to the audio of the actual testimony from the FBI expert. She did say he searched for "ssw wind" on September 8th not the 28th. Audio is posted on East Idaho News.
 
I do not think this is correct. From the trial summary today the testimony was

"– On Sept. 28, 2019, the user searched: ssw wind. what is the definition of ssw wind."

So it was weeks after Tylee died. It was also a Saturday when presumably Tammy would have been around.



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( Looks like Nate misheard the date, unless somebody wants to double-check the trial day audio upload )

eta Alex from NewsNation has it on the 8th
 
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I'm sure LE didn't simply take Lori's word for it. If there wasn't hard evidence they would not have brought it up in court. The defense would have reviewed the evidence.
Thanks. I guess everyone but me is right about this. It just seems a pretty loaded chunk of info for Douglass to have just dropped like that without further details. Who was/were the beneficiarie(s)? Did LE a confirm Lori’s claim that her brother was trying to kill her for the $2 million by finding out such a policy actually existed? It just seems so strange to me.
 
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What was Douglass’s evidence for this policy? All I think we know is she claimed to LE that her brother was trying to kill her for her $2 million life insurance. I need more facts.

I believe he spoke with the insurance company; the exhibits presented at trial are not available to us but there is no reason to doubt this IMHO.

ETA: I, too, thought she was succumbing to her delusions of grandeur again but once I heard this I accepted it as truth/fact AT THAT TIME. Does not mean payments were kept up and I ASSUME they were not and the policy is null and void.
In the police bodycam footage played in court, Lori says she cancelled the policy. So that was by Nov 2019.

listen from 8:48
 
My observation so far is that the prosecution is presenting a case against a conspiracy involving Chad, Alex, and Lori, But so far they have presented almost nothing to show Lori's involvement. Today we heard pretty damning testimony to the contrary from detective Stubbs:

Thomas has one more question: “Did you ever see anything from Lori saying, ‘I’m going to kill the kids?’ ‘Let’s kill the kids?’ ‘Kill the kids?'” Stubbs says, “No” to all the questions. Thomas: “Based on anything you’ve seen, is there anything in there where Lori had texted or emailed – any type of data that says anything about wanting to kill her children?” Stubbs says, “No.”

In summary, the police detective said there is NO evidence Lori was involved in killing her kids.

While I do think she was involved in a plan I think the evidence is extremely weak:

- Who cares if they were shopping for wedding rings? Chad convinced her he expected his wife to be dead of natural causes very soon. A girl can dream. And these two were so whacko that malachite could very well have had a spiritual meaning.
- They texted about the "plan." It was in the context of talking about Kauai so I would take that as the plan to go to Kauai.

As someone who wants to see her convicted I am extremely disappointed in the prosecution's case so far. I'm not saying they are not doing a good job. Just that they have almost no evidence against Lori. They are presenting a case against Chad and Alex and hoping they can get conspiracy in there somehow without any real evidence.

Please show me a lext where Lori says "they'll all be out of the way soon" or something to that effect. She is NOT too smart not to have sent something like that if there was a plan.

All I'm convinced of so far is that they hoped to get married if the cards played out. That might be a conspiracy but not a crime.
 
Summary of tweets for Monday, April 24th -

State witness: Nicole Heideman, FBI / Part 2


Nate Eaton
@NateNewsNow
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NEW P.M. THREAD: Judge Boyce is back on the bench. Jurors are about to be brought in.

I've met a lot of people who have traveled near and far to attend the trial in the courtroom. A couple from Orem Utah introduced themselves to me today. I've met folks from California, New York, Idaho, Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Louisiana, Texas - even Australia.

Nicole Heideman with the FBI remains on the stand. Fremont County Prosecuting Attorney Lindsey Blake is conducting the questioning. Blake asks to admit another Powerpoint presentation.

Thomas objects to admitting some of the pages in the exhibit. Blake asks Heideman follow-up questions so she can explain why it's relevant and should be admitted.

Boyce overrules the objection and the presentation will be allowed in.

Two documents were found in the lori4style@icloud.com. One was titled "Seven Archangels" and the second was "Presiding Council of Archangels."

In the first document, there was discussion of Malachite, Raphael and James. Tuesday was mentioned - Chad and Lori were married on a Tuesday. In the second document, the names Elena and Lili were mentioned. The color green and Tuesday was mentioned.

Chad and Lori conducted Google searches for Malachite in May 2019, according to Heideman's review of their search history. On Aug. 14, 2019, Lori tried to purchase two glow-in-the-dark Malachite rings from Etsy.

The shipping address was to Lori's home in Chandler. The manufacturer was unable to fulfill the order.

Lori tried to order two more rings in Aug. 25 and have them shipped to Rexburg. Her credit card was declined.

Lori tried to purchase a ring again on Oct. 2, 2019 through Charles Vallow's Amazon account. Another ring was purchased that day through an online jewelry store. Size 11.5 was originally ordered.

That ring was returned and repurchased as a size 11 on Oct. 4, 2019. Tammy Daybell was pronounced dead on Oct. 19. After she died, the size 11 ring was returned and a size 10 was purchased. There is no evidence the size 10 was returned.

The rings are similar to the rings seen in Chad and Lori's wedding photos. Lori is staring at the screen on the defense table as evidence is being presented.

We are now viewing a text from Chad to Lori on July 13, 2019 - two days after Charles' death. The message says, "Concerning the two weeks. BYU-Idaho's graduation is July 23. Adam is getting his bachelor's and Leah and Joe are getting their associate's.

They are all walking in the same commencement ceremony. I feel like she will be gone by then but I will still have the hoopla to deal with. So I believe that's why the Lord is making me wait." Adam and Joe are Chad's sons-in-law. Leah is his daughter.

On July 22, 2019, Chad and Lori texted each other regarding Kauai and "the plan." Chad texted Lori "love you" and said he was going to see "The Other Side of Heaven 2" with his son. Lori responds, "I love you."

Chad responds, "Not as much as I love you." Lori tells Chad he will love the scenery as it's very similar to Hawaii. Chad responds, "Hopefully we can be there soon."

Heideman says wedding records indicated Lori wanted to marry Chad on Nov. 5, 2019. That's the day they were married and they exchanged rings.

Attorneys meeting for a sidebar with the judge. White noise is played in the courtroom.

The state needs to obtain some additional records so we are taking a 10-15 minute recess.

Bailiffs have seized a phone that has gone off in the courtroom. The judge and jurors are back following the recess.

Blake moves to admit another Powerpoint presentation. Thomas objects to the exhibit and asks to discuss it in a sidebar or outside the presence of the jury.

Sidebar is over and Thomas voices the objection in front of the jury. Thomas says the dates of deaths for JJ, Tylee and Tammy are in the exhibit but the state has not proven they died on those dates.

Boyce tells the jury that the presentation is a demonstrative exhibit - not evidence.

The exhibit shows dates Chad and Lori visited the LDS Temple together prior to their marriage. In 2018: Nov. 16. In 2019: April 3, April 27, Sept. 7, Sept. 17, Sept. 28, and a visit in Oct. (I can't see the date from my seat).

They visited temples in Idaho, Texas and Arizona. Their temple recommend cards were scanned within seconds of each other at the temples except in one instance when they were scanned about 20 minutes apart.

The day before Tylee died, Lori and Chad visited the Idaho Falls Temple, according to Heideman. JJ died around Sept. 22/23. Chad and Lori visited the Idaho Falls Temple on Sept. 17 and the Rexburg Temple on Sept. 28.

They visited the Rexburg Temple on Oct. 29 - ten days after Tammy died.

Blake has no further questions for FBI Tactical Specialist Heideman. John Thomas will cross-examine her.

Thomas asks Heideman why she thought Ned Schneider was an important term to flag while she was doing the search. He asks if she did any further research to find out the significance of the terms. She says it was a cursory search to aide in the investigation.

Thomas asks Heideman about the fact she flagged the term Tuesday and thought it was significant because Chad and Lori were married on a Tuesday.

He says that Tylee and JJ died on Mondays and Tammy died on a Saturday - inferring that if Tuesday was so significant, more things would have been done on Tuesdays.

Thomas asks Heideman to clarify some of the information she explained. During cross-examination, Lori has been taking notes at the defense table.

Thomas asks Heideman about the seven temple trips Chad and Lori took together. He asks if they went in a group. Heideman says she does not know - she only checked on Chad and Lori's attendance.

Thomas says these seven visits are only a "fraction" of the time Chad and Lori went to the temple. Heideman says that is correct.

Thomas asks how the temple visits relate to the days of the deaths and what the significance is. Heideman says she put together a timeline showing records. "I can't say what the purpose of their visits were," she says.

Thomas asks some follow-up questions and for clarification on the cell phone records Heideman reviewed.

Blake asks a few clarifying questions and Heideman is released from the stand but she will be called again later in the trial so her subpoena remains in effect.


link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow
 
Summary of tweets for Monday, April 24th -

State witness: FBI Special Agent Nick Ballance, part of FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team.


Nate Eaton
@NateNewsNow
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11h
Prosecution calls Nick Ballance to the stand. He has been a special agent with the FBI since June 2016. He is assigned to the Boise resident agency out of the Salt Lake City Division.

Ballance is part of the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team - CAST. They take cell phone data, put it on a map and help track where phones have been. He has used the technology in hundreds of cases - homicides, missing kids, etc.

Madison County Prosecuting Attorney Rob Wood is questioning Ballance.

Ballance says there are around 70-80 CAST employees nationwide. They have been through a lot of training and there is an extensive certification process.

Ballance testifies that T-Mobile, Verizon and AT&T are the primary cell phone companies in Rexburg. He says your phone utilizes the cell phone tower belonging to your phone even if another company has a cell phone tower closer to you.

Highly populated cities have more cell phone towers versus rural areas that will have fewer, Ballance says.

Ballance says a traditional cell phone tower has antennas facing three different directions - or sectors.

Ballance says cell phone companies record the activities of their customers and which towers are used during phone activities.

Wood asks about call detail records maintained by cell phone providers. They include who is calling, the time, date and which tower the call originated from. Cell phone companies have lists of where their towers are located.

Ballance talks about a "drive test" that measures how far out cell phone towers reach. Ballance conducted a drive test in Rexburg in June 2020.

A cell phone will always select the strongest and clearest cell phone tower - and it might not be the closest tower is there are obstructions or other obstacles in the way.

Ballance says you can not pinpoint an exact location for a cell phone but you can get a general idea.

CAST uses other tools to track a phone in addition to cell phone records - like Google location tracking.

Ballance prepared a report detailing 30 cellular phone records and multiple Google accounts associated with Lori Vallow.

Attorneys met with Boyce for a brief sidebar. In lieu of an afternoon break, court will continue for another 30 minutes and then dismiss for the day. This testimony is quite technical and some of the jurors appeared tired.

The cell records Ballance received were several hundred thousand lines.

Wood asks to admit an exhibit summarizing Ballance's report. Thomas objects and says the exhibit is not complete. He wants to see the entire 101-page report rather than just a summary.

Wood says prosecutors can provide the defense with the entire report but Boyce overrules the objection stating that summaries are allowed.

Ballance describes the drive test he conducted in the Rexburg area showing where phones ping off of different towers.

Ballance makes it clear that his mapping involves a phone, not a person. He is tracking a device, not an individual.

We are now hearing about the homerjmaximum account belonging to Alex Cox. Ballance says on Sept. 9, 2019 between 12 and 5 a.m., three locations associated to the account were repeated northwest of Lori Vallow's Rexburg apartment.

Ballance says between Aug. 1 and Oct. 31, the homerjmaximus account registered at Lori Vallow's apartment a handful of times.

On the morning of Sept. 9, Ballance says there was a lot of communication on devices linked to Chad and Alex.

There was also text communication between Chad and Lori from 8:15 a.m. - 9:06 a.m. on Sept. 9.

It's hard to describe in writing the maps, colors, sectors and coverage area being shown to the jurors. Ballance is using a laser pointer to highlight significant points. He's basically describing Alex Cox's movements the morning of Sept. 9.

Lori is resting her head on her hand as she looks at the maps on the screen on the defense table. Boyce says court will now be dismissed until 8:30 a.m. tomorrow.

Sketches from today. Rexburg Police Det. David Stubbs, FBI analyst Nicole Heideman and FBI analyst Nick Ballance.

Stubbs.jpg Nicole.jpg Nick.jpg

link: https://twitter.com/NateNewsNow
 
Tuesday, April 25th:
*Trial continues (Day 10) (@ 8:30am – 3:30pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2020 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – *Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 49) arrested (in Kauai, Hawaii on 2/20/20) & indicted & charged (5/25/21) & re-arraigned (4/19/22) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6: Lori only: Grand theft (related to social security survivor benefits allocated for the care of minors Tylee & JJ). Plead not guilty. DA will seek DP. Was transferred to Ada County jail on 3/22/23. Fremont County
Conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County
Resisting or obstructing LE, solicitation of a crime & contempt of court. All charges were dismissed on 1/3/22. Madison County
Trial began on 4/3/23 with jury selection & ended 4/7/23. 12 jurors & 6 alternates (10 men & 8 women).
Trial began on 4/10/23 (thru 6/9/23) @ 8:30am to 3:30pm. Trial will be held in Ada County. (will last about 10 weeks) Trials have been severed.

Arrest & Grand Jury & Competency & Court info from 3/5/20 thru 3/30/23 & Jury Selection Day 1-5 (4/3-4/7/23) & Trial Day 1-8 (4/10-4/24/23) reference post #49 here:
ttps://www.websleuths.com/forums/th...ybell-charles-vallow-arrests-71.675381/page-3

4/25/23 Monday, Trial Day 9: State witness: Rexburg Police Det. David Stubbs back on stand.
For more info see posts #83 [pg 5] & 105 here:
ttps://www.websleuths.com/forums/th...ybell-charles-vallow-arrests-71.675381/page-6
State witness: Heidi Heideman, FBI.
For more info see posts #133 [pg 7] & 251 here:
ttps://www.websleuths.com/forums/th...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-71.675381/page-13
State witness: FBI Special Agent Nick Ballance, part of FBI Cellular Analysis Survey Team.
For more info see posts #252 here:
ttps://www.websleuths.com/forums/th...bell-charles-vallow-arrests-71.675381/page-13
Trial continues on Tuesday, 4/25/23 @ 8:30am & ends every day at 3:30pm.

*Chad Guy Daybell (53/now 54) – Pretrial motions hearing on 3/2/23. Trial was set to begin on 4/3/23 was vacated.
 
Thanks. I guess everyone but me is right about this. It just seems a pretty loaded chunk of info for Douglass to have just dropped like that without further details. Who was/were the beneficiarie(s)? Did LE a confirm Lori’s claim that her brother was trying to kill her for the $2 million by finding out such a policy actually existed? It just seems so strange to me.
The change of beneficiary on her policy to Colby alone was brought up together with other circumstantial evidence of her making steps to eliminate Tylee and JJ from her life. It was not intended to challenge her lies about threats made by her brother. (IMO)
 
I do not think this is correct. From the trial summary today the testimony was

"– On Sept. 28, 2019, the user searched: ssw wind. what is the definition of ssw wind."

So it was weeks after Tylee died. It was also a Saturday when presumably Tammy would have been around.
That must be a typo (28 instead of 8). He searched the wind direction in the afternoon of Sept 8, which was a Sunday. Tylee's burial occurred the next morning, when Tammy was at work. This information can be also found in Chad's PCA.


Detective Sergeant David Stubbs told the Ada County Courthouse in Boise on Monday how Google search records were seized from the account chaddaybell@gmail.com.

'On the 8th [of September] in the afternoon hours, the user of this account looked up what the wind direction was going to be for the next day,' Stubbs told the court.

Prosecutor Rachel Smith asked if anything struck him as significant about the finding.

Stubbs told jurors: 'It did because of other things that I had learned and that that's the day that Chad Daybell had said that he was going to burn [tree] limbs and killed a racoon in the yard.'

The detective added that the search reflected the wind was going to be blowing south-southwest.

This wind direction would have blown any smoke across neighboring fields - away from nearby houses.
 
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My observation so far is that the prosecution is presenting a case against a conspiracy involving Chad, Alex, and Lori, But so far they have presented almost nothing to show Lori's involvement. Today we heard pretty damning testimony to the contrary from detective Stubbs:

Thomas has one more question: “Did you ever see anything from Lori saying, ‘I’m going to kill the kids?’ ‘Let’s kill the kids?’ ‘Kill the kids?'” Stubbs says, “No” to all the questions. Thomas: “Based on anything you’ve seen, is there anything in there where Lori had texted or emailed – any type of data that says anything about wanting to kill her children?” Stubbs says, “No.”

In summary, the police detective said there is NO evidence Lori was involved in killing her kids.

While I do think she was involved in a plan I think the evidence is extremely weak:

- Who cares if they were shopping for wedding rings? Chad convinced her he expected his wife to be dead of natural causes very soon. A girl can dream. And these two were so whacko that malachite could very well have had a spiritual meaning.
- They texted about the "plan." It was in the context of talking about Kauai so I would take that as the plan to go to Kauai.

As someone who wants to see her convicted I am extremely disappointed in the prosecution's case so far. I'm not saying they are not doing a good job. Just that they have almost no evidence against Lori. They are presenting a case against Chad and Alex and hoping they can get conspiracy in there somehow without any real evidence.

Please show me a lext where Lori says "they'll all be out of the way soon" or something to that effect. She is NOT too smart not to have sent something like that if there was a plan.

All I'm convinced of so far is that they hoped to get married if the cards played out. That might be a conspiracy but not a crime.
In Lori's call with Colby she implied that she was there when her children were killed. She showed zero sadness about the fact that they were dead. Just because she didn't text "let's kill them", it doesn't mean there isn't a multitude of evidence against her.
 
In Lori's call with Colby she implied that she was there when her children were killed. She showed zero sadness about the fact that they were dead. Just because she didn't text "let's kill them", it doesn't mean there isn't a multitude of evidence against her.
Also, she got rid of JJ's dog, took him out of school, and had stopped giving him his medication - so it looks like she wasn't expecting much of a future for JJ. IMO
 
Wow, Court TV just had a segment on about Lori/Chad psychology. Everything I was wondering about a few days ago, i.e., why would Lori leave CV who provided for her so well and attach herself to CD the mumbling bumbling oaf with no money???
CV was a grifter and he was building his following with his grifter church. CV & LV were attracted to each other because they were self serving manipulative scammers who would do anything for themselves including murdering their loved ones.
 
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