Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

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You ask an interesting question.

I just got finished listening to the interview GH did with Charles sister and her husband and while your question wasn't directly asked by GH it appears that Lori and Charles were separated at the time of his death and that Charles had custody of JJ at the time of his death.

Further, Charles' family confirmed that Lori did in fact abandon both Charles and JJ for the 2 months prior to his death and it appears that the family of Charles stepped in to assist in the care of JJ as Charles was on the road 3 days out of the week. The family of Charles (his sister and her husband) had been involved with taking care of JJ since he was an infant and they have been devastated by having no news about his location. Further, they were baffled why it took so long for anyone in ID to report JJ and his step sister missing and not notifying them. They did confirm that the medication taken by JJ is to allow him to sleep on a normal schedule as he has both ADHD and autism.

It wasn't discussed how Lori stepped back into her role as a parent of JJ after Charles died and at what point she left AZ for ID, with the children. The assumption of Charles' sister was that he chose not to follow the 'cult' path that Lori took and that their relationship fractured as a result of divergent paths regarding religion.

The interview did confirm that Lori was LDS and that Charles converted to LDS at the time of their marriage. Charles according to his sister had custody of JJ as of the time of his death as well.

Could CPS have been involved, especially once Charles died in July? When did Lori leave Arizona and arrive in Idaho?
 
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Also from the GH interview with Charles' sister was some information about the 'cult'/organization that Chad and Lori are allegedly involved in. The speculation of Charles' sister is that Chad was somehow involved with 'Julie Rowe' and had possibly even 'taken over' the organization/cult. The speculation of Charles' sister was vague but her information regarding person name, location and LDS affiliation turned up a good amount of information.

Charles' sister mentioned in the interview the name of 'Julie Rowe' and 'Kansas' and 'LDS' and said that she didn't know much of anything about this person as she and her husband are not LDS.

A basic google search turns up some interesting information on a 'Julie Rowe' from 'Kansas' who was LDS (it appears that this Julie Rowe might have been excommunicated from the LDS).

Basic WIKI link to 'Julie Rowe':

Julie Rowe - Wikipedia

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End-Times Visionary Julie Rowe Excommunicated

Quotes from above article:

Background
Julie Rowe first came to the public’s attention in 2014 with the publication of her first two books, A Greater Tomorrow: My Journey Beyond the Veil and The Time is Now. These books describe what she experienced and witnessed during a near-death experience in 2004.[1] Her first book, A Greater Tomorrow, was released in May 2014 and was wildly successful. Publisher Chad Daybell said in 2016, “The first printing sold out within a month, and the eBook version smashed my book distributor’s all-time records.” The two decided she should follow up with a second book, The Time is Now, which would include “quotes from LDS prophets concerning the future, as well as answer many questions Julie had been asked on how to prepare spiritually and temporally for troubled times.” That book was released in November 2014 and proved to be just as popular as its predecessor.

Seagull Book, one of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints’ for-profit companies, loved Julie’s books. Daybell explained that Deseret Book had been burned on the whole near-death experiences topic with the controversial 2012 book Visions of Glory: One Man’s Astonishing Account of the Last Days[2], but Seagull Book buyers had no such qualms. In 2015, Seagull contacted Daybell to increase advertisement space for Julie’s books. Daybell said,

I was elated, because the only books that receive that much space are typically written by General Authorities. The larger advertisement boosted sales even more. By August 2015, Julie’s books had been featured in 13 straight Seagull Book catalogs, which is almost unheard of.

“BEHIND THE SCENES OF THE JULIE ROWE MEDIA FRENZY” BY CHAD DAYBELL, PRESIDENT OF SPRING CREEK BOOK COMPANY
But then the Church released an interior memo to Church Educational System instructors in late August, specifically calling out Julie’s first book, A Greater Tomorrow, as inappropriate for classroom use. Although people assumed teachers were tempted to use Julie’s book for her end times predictions, Julie’s publisher later hypothesized that it was her visions of Old Testament events that were the real concern.

Well, the new seminary year was just underway, and the students were studying the Old Testament. As readers know, Julie spends several pages in “A Greater Tomorrow” describing what she saw concerning ancient prophets. Julie gives detailed accounts about Adam and Eve, Noah’s Ark. Abraham and Isaac, and even Potiphar’s lustful wife that aren’t in the scriptures or in the seminary manuals. Undoubtedly many instructors had read the book during the previous year and were supplementing their lessons with these very interesting tidbits.

I still have never received any explanation from the Church about the internal memo, but that’s my assessment of why a “caution” was issued. Julie and I wholeheartedly agree with the Church’s stance that these accounts should not be shared in seminary or institute classes. Please note that Julie’s second book “The Time is Now” was not included in that statement, which lends credence to my Old Testament theory.

“BEHIND THE SCENES OF THE JULIE ROWE MEDIA FRENZY” BY CHAD DAYBELL, PRESIDENT OF SPRING CREEK BOOK COMPANY
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LDS church flags member's book about latter-day calamities as misleading

Quotes from link above from KUTV.com

But the LDS church isn't as thrilled with Rowe's writings.

Church spokesman Doug Andersen released a follow-up statement to 2News Thursday about the warning to seminary and institute instructors.

"The internal memo does not constitute an official Church statement but serves as a routine reminder to teachers from Seminaries and Institutes of Religion of their responsibility to teach from the scriptures and church leaders," Andersen said. "People who read her books should recognize that they are personal accounts and do not necessarily reflect church doctrine."

Miller said the warning from the church concerns him, but he said he still subscribes to what Rowe has written.

"I believe for the most part what she writes will happen," he said.

Miller and other followers believe a stock market crash is imminent. Rowe herself has also hinted at big things happening this month.

"I feel that it's the beginning of the beginning for the righteous, and the beginning of the end for the unrighteous," Miller said.

Rowe, who lives in the Midwest, responded to the church's warning in the following statement to 2News:

"I agree that the curriculum for LDS church classes should only come from sources recognized by the LDS Church as being authoritative. My story is not intended to be authoritative nor to create any church doctrine. It is simply part of my personal journey that I have chosen to share in hopes that it can help people to prepare for the times we live in by increasing their faith in Christ and by looking to our prophet and church leaders for guidance."

On Thursday night, 2News embedded a YouTube video of Julie Rowe sharing her story, but as of Friday evening, the video had been removed by the user and is no longer on Rowe's website.



Publication Caution - Spurious Materials in Circulation
 
Charles actually had custody per the youtube show. But he allowed Lori to watch JJ when he traveled on business. His family (sister and husband) would have had very hard time getting custody or visitations through court. Grandparents don't have many rights.

Do we know if JJ's biological parents are still alive?

I wonder if it really would be terribly difficult for bio grandparents, who have a family network of the child's blood relatives and who have been consistently present in a child's life, to make a successful case for custody of that child when his legal father, their son, was killed in violent circumstances by a blood relative of his legal mother – who is now on the lam, and who was a factor in the child's being exposed to that violent encounter and death.

Even if that's not likely, I'd think there is some question of whether Lori could retain custody after JJ was exposed to such close family violence while in her care. Lori may have feared that JJ would be removed to foster care while Charles' death was being sorted out – and that other factors unfavorable to her retaining the status of his legal guardian could come to light during that investigation.

JMO!
 
It just amazes me how much happened within just a few weeks or months, especially since July 2019 when Charles died.

Poor kiddos. Children with autism often do not do well with simple transitions, much less losing his father (in such a violent way), and moving to a completely new place, new school, and with no family there other than Tylee and Lori... then, having to deal with a new step-dad? All within five months?
 
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Do we know if JJ's biological parents are still alive?

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My understanding bio parents still alive. At the time of Joshua birth bio parents were on drugs, per grandparents. Charles was killed but Alex claimed it was self-defense. NO arrest or charges have been made. Therefore, it would be very difficult for bio grandparents to make successful case for custody.
 
It just amazes how much happened within just a few weeks or months, especially since July 2019 when Charles died.

Poor kiddos. Children with autism often do not do well with simple transitions, much less losing a father, and moving to a completely new place, new school, and with no family there other than Tylee and Lori... then, having to deal with a new step-dad? All within five months?
He went missing in the end of September so I don't think he had to deal with a new step-dad, who was still married to Tammy in September.
 
Given the testimony of our VI about Chad's children cutting ties with Tammy's side of the family, I'm wondering if that was at their father's request. It seems cruel, like adding insult to injury. Why were they called two-faced? Were Tammy's relatives the ones that raised suspicion about her death? Were they critical of Chad moving on so soon? When did everyone learn about the missing kids?

Leah Remini has spoken much about how splinter groups try to isolate their followers from their families. And friends.

It happens.

Those behind, They don't talk, "they are nice people and all is fine".... and others just can't fathom why.

I certainly cannot understand how folks are standing up for the two that are trying to escape from LE just to answer why the kids are missing/where they are. But as we see, it's happening here, and now. There are folks who cling to such as endangering others by withholding information. They can't see the forest for the trees? They are involved? They are ????????????????

vs. coming out and speaking to media and the world saying "Lori and Chad, please we beg of you, we are so concerned about the kids". Yet, not happening??? Why???

Tragic.
 
The interview did confirm that Lori was LDS and that Charles converted to LDS at the time of their marriage. Charles according to his sister had custody of JJ as of the time of his death as well.
RSBM for focus

Do you mean according to Charles’ sister (is it safe to assume this is KVW, who is also Joshua’s biological grandmother), she had legal custody of JJ at the time of his death? I wonder what the case is now (i.e., does Lori only have shared vs. sole custody of him)?

Regardless, I am very concerned for the wellbeing of him and Tylee.
 
RSBM for focus

Do you mean according to Charles’ sister (is it safe to assume this is KVW, who is also Joshua’s biological grandmother), she had legal custody of JJ at the time of his death? I wonder what the case is now (i.e., does Lori only have shared vs. sole custody of him)?

Regardless, I am very concerned for the wellbeing of him and Tylee.
No, Charles had custody of JJ, not his sister.
 
My understanding bio parents still alive. At the time of Joshua birth bio parents were on drugs, per grandparents. Charles was killed but Alex claimed it was self-defense. NO arrest or charges have been made. Therefore, it would be very difficult for bio grandparents to make successful case for custody.
The sister of Charles said in the GH interview that the investigation into the death of her brother is ongoing and that there would be certain things in the interview that she might not be able to answer.
 
Lori arrived in Idaho, not Utah. I don't know exact date, but Joshua attended school in Idaho in September, so presumably shortly before September.

Oops, I meant Idaho. I went back and changed it in my original post. I can't keep up with the crazy details.

And yes, Chad wouldn't have been step-dad until after JJ and Tylee were last seen, right? Had JJ and Tylee even met Chad before they vanished? Is there such a thing as a step-paramour?
 
Thanks for taking one for the team.
Does anyone know if what was said about the young people being warriors are common LDS beliefs? Are their young people taught that they're going to be trained to kill or is this part of Chad's visions?
 
The sister of Charles said in the GH interview that the investigation into the death of her brother is ongoing and that there would be certain things in the interview that she might not be able to answer.
It's on-going, but there has been no arrest, no charges, and now the guy who supposedly shot him in self-defense is dead.
 
I am an active member of LDS religion...This is absolutely insane and has nothing to do with LDS teachings in the Mainstream LDS Church. This man is delusional and mixing his dreams, visions and scriptures and proclaiming himself a prophet. This and what he is doing is wrong.
 
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