Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #2

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I feel like I’m in a conspiracy theory rabbit hole, but this stuff (and these people) are all real. This case is bonkers! I can’t get the two kids out of my head and I pray they are found (alive!) and placed in a loving home without all this madness.

Also, OT, but I keep reading Julie & Chad as Julie Chen. Lol
 
A specialised psychiatrist who has expertise in autism yes most general doctors have little understanding of autism. Even regular psychiatrists where I live don’t and admit rhis themselves. And some would say many are waaaay to happy to drug. My opinion. I’m not sure how much this is becoming a tangent now. I shared my opinions which I thought could add value seeing that I have such profile and didn’t see why the overwhelming concern around this so thought my experience valuable especially when it could mean JJ may be doing better than the people saying this are thinking. And yes I agree it’s specifically this that it seemed was happening in other direction assuming this boy absolutely needs meds for this specifically. When who actually knows this.

Yeah, my child is high functioning and I have to advocate and push for what I think is best for them. And be vocal about what I don't think is best for them. Most GP's are not skilled in this area. I doubt JJ was on any doctor's radar. If he is manageable, he probably could get along without meds.
 
I’m not sure... maybe she became depressed after the uncle murdered her dad? I do know that if my kid says one of her friends hasn’t been at school for a few days or she hasn’t heard from them via text, I reach out to their parents. 1) I read too much Websleuths and am a worst case scenario kind of person so not reaching out = me worrying over nothing! And 2) if it is important enough to my kid that she brings it up to me, she is obviously worried. If one totally just withdrew like Tylee seems to, I would be all over that, especially given the trauma of losing her dad the way she did.

We don't know that the uncle murdered Tylee's dad. We just know he died in 2018.

Still... Tylee had a dad, who appeared to have wanted to be in her life; however, Lori et al. moved to Hawaii, so Tylee couldn't see her dad. Tylee's dad died in 2018. Then, she lost her step-dad in July 2019... And then, she gets a new "dad," Chad? When did Tylee first meet Mom's new beau?

Maybe Tylee ran away.
 
I don’t feel that Tylee’s friends have fault. Teenagers are full of hormones and lots of change and pressures that are huge maybe bigger in this generation for many then in past. Teenagers can’t be expected to get too wrapped up in this I don’t think anyway teenagers are naturally selfish and not in a bad way. If they didn’t know of any concerns they could easily have been distracted With teenagehood or even felt hurt not hearing from Tylee? Sad if they feel any blame
Nobody is blaming them. But the fact of the matter is of the ones I’m speaking about who either they or their moms say she was their best friend and they loved her like family... neither had talked to her because they “grew apart”. Which I get that that is something that just happens, but there hasn’t been anyone coming forward to say that they were her friend now. That they talked to her regularly. It doesn’t seem that she was even part of the initial welfare check... just something they realized when they started poking around. She isn’t mentioned in her step dad’s obituary even though she was part of the family for years. It’s just sad. Her mom does not seem to give a crap about her wellbeing. It’s just very sad. I think Tylee lived a lonely life for the last year and a half or so.
 
We don't know that the uncle murdered Tylee's dad. We just know he died in 2018.

Still... Tylee had a dad, who appeared to have wanted to be in her life; however, Lori et al. moved to Hawaii, so Tylee couldn't see her dad. Tylee's dad died in 2018. Then, she lost her step-dad in July 2019... And then, she gets a new "dad," Chad? When did Tylee first meet Mom's new beau?

Maybe Tylee ran away.
Yes; she had a dad who wanted her. That isn’t who I was talking about when I said she was forgotten. Everyone else is.
 
Actually I don’t know! I keep getting everyone mixed up. I think I was thinking of Charles’ parents. I feel bad for everyone that isn’t Lori or Chad. Or Julie. She’s still in the shady column MOO

Who on god's green earth keeps harassing someone, asking "Is your spouse still alive? I'm thinking she's gonna die soon!"
 
We don't know that the uncle murdered Tylee's dad. We just know he died in 2018.

Still... Tylee had a dad, who appeared to have wanted to be in her life; however, Lori et al. moved to Hawaii, so Tylee couldn't see her dad. Tylee's dad died in 2018. Then, she lost her step-dad in July 2019... And then, she gets a new "dad," Chad? When did Tylee first meet Mom's new beau?

Maybe Tylee ran away.

She is said to have been gone from home (last seen "sometime in September") what would have been a month and a half before her mom married Chad and a month before Chad was in a position to be getting married. I'm sure most of us think Chad and Lori had something going while Tammy was still alive, but it's possible Tylee was gone before she even met Chad. As far as that goes, the same could be said of JJ although we've got to assume that Chad knew of JJ, if not before the police did the welfare check, for sure after.
 
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I can't read as fast as posts are being made, so please pardon me if this has been addressed in the last @6 pages or so.

I know they cannot be sleuthed, but I am very curious about Lori's parents, who I believe have been referenced early in thread #1 as still alive. Is it known if they have made any public/MSM statement about their daughter who is on the run, or their two missing grandchildren?

These people have now lost 2 of their (I believe) 3 children as relatively young adults, one only earlier this month, while the third is at the center of this massive search/investigation involving multiple LE agencies. In addition their granddaughter Melani's whereabouts and activities are being questioned, as she recently divorced and remarried without seeking any custody of her four children (their great-grandchildren).

Another early poster said she suspected they would support Lori no matter what, but even if that is the case I wonder what degree of cognitive dissonance they might be feeling as events have unfolded and been revealed over the last week or so. It appears their family has pretty much imploded in a matter of weeks, and if appearances are reality that is very sad for them.

Apologies if any of the above violates the TOS. I'm really just wondering if the Cox parents have made any statement regarding the case.

No statements have been made by Lori's parents as far as I know. I might be the one who said I believe they are alive. I can't prove they are alive 100% because I would have to sleuth them (against TOS), but I'll just say I found no death records for them. Lori's mom commented on Lori's Instagram in 2016 (which was also the only year Lori posted on Instagram). I think they may not be frequent social media users and have probably decided it's better not to make any statement to the press. I believe they had other children beside Lori, Alex and Stacey too but I won't name the other siblings here as they haven't been named in MSM.

MOO.
 
She is said to have been gone from home (last seen "sometime in September") what would have been a month an a half before her mom married Chad and a month before Chad was in a position to be getting married. I'm sure most of us think Chad and Lori had something going while Tammy was still alive, but it's possible Tylee was gone before she even met Chad. As far as that goes, the same could be said of JJ although we've got to assume that Chad knew of JJ, if not before the police did the welfare check, for sure after.

So... when did Lori, JJ, and Tylee move into an apartment in Rexburg? Is it possible Chad never even met JJ and Tylee? Did Chad move into the apartment with Lori when Tammy died?
 
Who on god's green earth keeps harassing someone, asking "Is your spouse still alive? I'm thinking she's gonna die soon!"
Of ALL of the stuff in this case that is one of the most bizarre!!! I literally cannot imagine having that conversation. The closest I think I could get is my grandpa with dementia (while living in a locked memory care facility) asking in front of his nurses if my ex had died yet. I said no, he was alive and well. My grandpa then said, “get me my checkbook! I’ll have some of my cousins from the Italian mob fix it right away!” I had to remind him that he had no cousins and wasn’t even Italian. LOL!
 
So... when did Lori, JJ, and Tylee move into an apartment in Rexburg? Is it possible Chad never even met JJ and Tylee? Did Chad move into the apartment with Lori when Tammy died?

IIRC Chad and Lori have been connected soon after she came back from Hawaii, a few years ago. They were apparently communicating alot, I would bet $$$ Chad knew of the kids, the killing of Charles and the drama before and after, but it's possible he didn't know of Angie the older sister found dead with Alex, or Tylee's dad - and how much Alex was or was not involved. IOW he may know of all the alleged murders, or he may be a patsy who thinks Lori is a saint. At the time of disposing of their anchors, the kids and Tammy, he must have grown a little bit of a brain on it all. But preppers gonna prep, it's the end times we're talking now.
 
Of ALL of the stuff in this case that is one of the most bizarre!!! I literally cannot imagine having that conversation. The closest I think I could get is my grandpa with dementia (while living in a locked memory care facility) asking in front of his nurses if my ex had died yet. I said no, he was alive and well. My grandpa then said, “get me my checkbook! I’ll have some of my cousins from the Italian mob fix it right away!” I had to remind him that he had no cousins and wasn’t even Italian. LOL!
HA HA! That's hilarious! I'll have to remember that one for my time.
 
So... when did Lori, JJ, and Tylee move into a apartment in Rexburg? Is it possible Chad never even met JJ and Tylee? Did Chad move in to the apartment with Lori when Tammy died?

All questions I've had, but haven't been able to answer. :)

MOO

Here, if I remember correctly, is what I think I know that figures into this.

July (forget the date) - Charles killed in AZ, so Tylee, JJ, and Lori are there at this point.

August 7 - school starts for the year in this school district. (Yes, earlier than most places.)

August - sometime Kay (Charles' sister/JJ's bio grandmother) talks to JJ (via Facetime or something like that, I think).

September 23, JJ attends school the last time. Obviously he'd been attending for some period prior.

November (near the end), someone (I've theorized Kay for obvious reasons, but we don't know for sure) asks Rexburg Police to do a welfare check.

My guess from this is that Lori and JJ moved from AZ sometime between when Charles was killed and I'm guessing the point in August where Kay last talked to JJ. My rationale is that when that happened she found out JJ was in ID instead of AZ if she didn't know prior. This is based on her, if it was her, knowing to call the Rexburg PD for the welfare check.

I could be way off on this, but we can say for sure they didn't leave AZ until July and we have to assume that JJ didn't start school on 9/20 (the Friday before) and come the last day on 9/23. Everything kind of points toward sometime in August for them to get there.

I think it is very possible that Chad never met the kids. Not saying I believe it, but I don't think we can rule it out. MOO.

Also, I've wondered about Chad's house. I'm not sure if we know for sure, but I was under the impression that he owned it, not rented, but don't know if anyone has determined that. He hasn't sold any real estate based on someone's search in Idaho in the last several months. I guess it comes down to we don't know that either. :)
 
Nobody is blaming them. But the fact of the matter is of the ones I’m speaking about who either they or their moms say she was their best friend and they loved her like family... neither had talked to her because they “grew apart”. Which I get that that is something that just happens, but there hasn’t been anyone coming forward to say that they were her friend now. That they talked to her regularly. It doesn’t seem that she was even part of the initial welfare check... just something they realized when they started poking around. She isn’t mentioned in her step dad’s obituary even though she was part of the family for years. It’s just sad. Her mom does not seem to give a crap about her wellbeing. It’s just very sad. I think Tylee lived a lonely life for the last year and a half or so.

I agree it's sad. I can't stop wondering what Tylee did with all her free time. She wasn't being "homeschooled" anymore as she supposedly graduated at 15. She had a car and a phone-- paid for by Lori? I wonder if she played games online or posted on any message boards like we do here? Or was she restricted in her internet use? Did she just read and watch TV all the time? Life would get boring really fast for most teenagers without any friends and limited entertainment options, even if they might love to veg and watch TV. We haven't heard anything about what Tylee's aspirations are for the future-- does she want to go to college? Does she have a career goal in mind? Info that we would typically find out about a missing teen in a high profile case, we don't know in this case. Her brother and her best friend from a couple years ago both spoke to the press and yet I feel like we don't know much about Tylee at all.

MOO.
 
All questions I've had, but haven't been able to answer. :)

MOO

Here, if I remember correctly, is what I think I know that figures into this.

July (forget the date) - Charles killed in AZ, so Tylee, JJ, and Lori are there at this point.

August 7 - school starts for the year in this school district. (Yes, earlier than most places.)

August - sometime Kay (Charles' sister/JJ's bio grandmother) talks to JJ (via Facetime or something like that, I think).

September 23, JJ attends school the last time. Obviously he'd been attending for some period prior.

November (near the end), someone (I've theorized Kay for obvious reasons, but we don't know for sure) asks Rexburg Police to do a welfare check.

My guess from this is that Lori and JJ moved from AZ sometime between when Charles was killed and I'm guessing the point in August where Kay last talked to JJ. My rationale is that when that happened she found out JJ was in ID instead of AZ if she didn't know prior. This is based on her, if it was her, knowing to call the Rexburg PD for the welfare check.

I could be way off on this, but we can say for sure they didn't leave AZ until July and we have to assume that JJ didn't start school on 9/20 (the Friday before) and come the last day on 9/23. Everything kind of points toward sometime in August for them to get there.

I think it is very possible that Chad never met the kids. Not saying I believe it, but I don't think we can rule it out. MOO.

Also, I've wondered about Chad's house. I'm not sure if we know for sure, but I was under the impression that he owned it, not rented, but don't know if anyone has determined that. He hasn't sold any real estate based on someone's search in Idaho in the last several months. I guess it comes down to we don't know that either. :)
The home is in Chad and Tammy's names. It was not sold.
 
I agree it's sad. I can't stop wondering what Tylee did with all her free time. She wasn't being "homeschooled" anymore as she supposedly graduated at 15. She had a car and a phone-- paid for by Lori? I wonder if she played games online or posted on any message boards like we do here? Or was she restricted in her internet use? Did she just read and watch TV all the time? Life would get boring really fast for most teenagers without any friends and limited entertainment options, even if they might love to veg and watch TV. We haven't heard anything about what Tylee's aspirations are for the future-- does she want to go to college? Does she have a career goal in mind? Info that we would typically find out about a missing teen in a high profile case, we don't know in this case. Her brother and her best friend from a couple years ago both spoke to the press and yet I feel like we don't know much about Tylee at all.

MOO.
Interestingly, older pics of her appear to show a fascination with marvel cartoons. I think I read Colby mention that too. Might be worth looking in anything having to do with that in forums or message boards. I’ve never found her tumblr or vsco.
 
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I just spent a good hour on National Center for Missing and Exploited Children website and now I am just mad!..2 adults (Chad & Lori) have done something to trigger the use of resources to have 2 children placed on this website and have hired an attorney... let that sink in. Look at the link above..a lot of families looking for their children and loved ones.
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