Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #39

[Hrh_LadyJ]

Please share if it is OK to do so
If not, please add me to Private as I am very interested in your thoughts.
I am just catching up in here, so maybe you already shared

+1 @vislaw I believe we are all interested in your findings and expertise! We are all adults here, and those who do not wish to read it can scroll on past.

 

[divineappt]

me too as i reviewed the original photos but because of the degradation to them i couldnt 100% say anything was there, there was a couple of things that turned up under IR polarisation but again it was so degraded

if you have a better source i'd like to see as well

@vislaw said he had work tonight, but would get it together and share with WARNING at the top.

 

[wenwe4]

Lori Vallow, Chad Daybell case: JJ Vallow, Tylee Ryan found dead

 

[Michael0808]

Sry - fixed it but it took a minute.
I think I am still swimming in stress hormones and flooded with cortisol from the trauma. I will recover and act appropriately soon - (I promise).

No sorrys needed, I needed the laugh!

 

[PingTheRouter]

@vislaw said he had work tonight, but would get it together and share with WARNING at the top.

thanks, as i dont want to speculate until i can process these new images myself and compare to the other photos i saw the other day

but under a couple of forensic photo tools i have there was a couple of areas i circled on my reference photos

when things degrade so bad and pixilated your mind can make up things and try fill in those gaps so i am very interested to see how this goes not for the gruesome aspect but rather the photo side of this

 

[wenwe4]

We don't have to wait for vislaw if you have something you would like to share.

 

[Jethro4WS]

here is the app name. Bloomz
Arizona school details new information about Lori Vallow and son JJ

Bloomz - The Parent Communication App for Schools & Teachers
Connect
Join your child’s teacher and other classroom parents in a closed environment. Your child information’s security is paramount to us, so their name and image are protected and teachers control parents’ access and verification.


Communicate
With classroom instant messaging, photo updates, announcements and alerts, Bloomz is a powerful virtual communication tool.

my question would be — was she communicating with someone secretly there?

https://thecornerstoneforteachers.com/bloomz/#:~:text=Enable parent-to-parent communication,with one another, as well.

Enable parent-to-parent communication
A really cool and unique feature of Bloomz is that parents can exchange private messages with one another, as well. Often children develop friendships in class but it’s awkward for their parents to establish contact, get to know each other, and make arrangements for after-school activities. Bloomz is a simpler (and safer) way for families to get to know one another and build a real sense of community.​

 

[RickshawFan]

I am a little bit confused. How were you supposed to feed him and clothe him before he turned 18, if all of the money were supposed to have been saved for him and transferred into his bank account?

As I read it, the wording is "that money that had been saved" goes into an account in the child's name, but not all of the money had to be saved. I'm sure Pepper will clarify.

 

[gumchew]

This might be TMI, but I thought it might add to the community's understanding of how Alex apparently died.

I almost died from PE a little over five years ago, after weeks of feeling desperately out of breath from very mild exertion. I wrote it off to being "out of shape" due to my sedentary 12-hour workdays.

The morning I called 911, I thought I was having a heart attack. They treated me for that in the ambulance and in the ER until a pulmonary specialist who happened to be there (yay!) noted something in my blood work that tipped her off and ordered my treatment to be changed.

If this is how Alex died, people would have noted that he was easily worn out or "not well" for quite some time before he actually died. No poisons need to have been involved, which is not to say they couldn't have been an additional cause.

Contributing to his cardio-vascular condition, Alex might have had a genetic disorder, as I do, called "Factor V Leiden," which causes thrombophilia, a genetic predisposition to form blood clots. Lifetime use of a "blood thinner" like Eliquis is indicated. In my case, I also opted have an IVC filter inserted to catch and break up any blood clots before they get to the lungs or brain. Doesn't seem like Alex ever went through that level of diagnosis or treatment. Too bad.

Thanks for sharing your story. I'm glad you're still on the planet! I am at risk for this myself and am working with a cardiologist and a hematologist to treat the underlying conditions that put me at higher risk. I guess that's why I take this subject so seriously.

For everyone else, I just want to give my own little PSA here: check your blood pressure regularly, and if you have high blood pressure, seek treatment! Do you know what one of the most common first symptoms of a thromboembolism is? Sudden death. (regardless of whether you're a murder co-conspirator or not)

OK. Back to sleuthing

 

[wenwe4]

I guess rational analysis is not the point here.

SBM
Seriously, do they ask that you check your rational brain at the door? (Don't look at the man behind the curtain!) The level of blind following without even thinking through what their message really is - beyond what I can even envision.

 

[Countem]

I really wish that I could have been a fly on the wall when Lori found out that the police found the children. That reaction would have revealed a lot.

 

[Michael0808]

So I found this to be very interesting from a video posted by @Tortoise on May 9th from an interview with MP and IP with Morgan Loew. In my opinion, MP makes a very important slip of the tongue. Then she goes on to pivot and try to redirect to rambling about how she didn’t have BB shot at and all the threats LV was getting And so on.

I watched the video (thank you for the transcript for reference too! @Tortoise) and when she said what she said below BBM I was like whoa! She’s going to admit to believing everything he just asked. Then of course she pivots and redirects to try to cover what she said. To me the video and really being able to watch her as she shifts to rambling was important. All Jmo of course!

Do you think that Tylee and JJ were in danger, do you think that Lori thought they were zombies, do you think that they, that she thought that their spirits had left them?

MP: I didn’t think they were in danger, um and didn’t have those fears and doubts until this welfare check um and then Chad and Lori left I didn’t have contact with them, and I’m absolutely worried. I knew the threats that Lori had been um getting and I don’t know what’s going on and so I was, you know, being in a new marriage, I’m kind of dumping on him I’m worried about this, I’m worried about this, meanwhile we have all these false accusations and questions about this supposed shooting that uh Brandon Boudreaux’s claiming that happened, (she continues on)

 

[skoogmagoo]

JMO They didn't really believe themselves. If you are THAT special there would have been no need to conspire, lie, nor hide the bodies. They knew they were mere mortals... they were just arrogant.

It’s pretty fascinating to think of Lori as some kind of actual believer. Because belief in any of Chad’s made up doctrines exposes you in a few ways.

First, you don’t actually grasp what’s pretty clear in the Bible. The Ten Commandments are exceptionally easily understood.

Second, belief in Chad’s stuff exposes you as a childish idiot. He made up the MDE stuff and stole that scam from other scammers, he cribbed the zombie stuff poorly from pop culture such as Walking Dead. And he completely lacks charisma while his writing exposes him as a midwit at best. Of all the ways to justify infidelity, they must’ve picked the dumbest I’ve ever seen.

These people are astoundingly dumb. They’re dumb criminals too.

But still, being an idiot doesn’t mean you’re more likely to commit brutal crimes.

I wonder if Chad was afraid of Lori. Afraid he was going to be next. In the pictures of their wedding, she looks to be way more into him than he into her. Just my opinion after looking at the pictures.

 

[Michael0808]

i’ve read the possible app name. Did it have a message function? Could she have been dm’ing someone there secretly?

I’m not sure. The school’s statement and the timeline just stated that she was viewing.

 

[gumchew]

I've totally lost track of the relevance about whether Tylee attended BYU? She was most likely murdered by her mother, uncle and/or mother's co-conspirator around the time the BYUI semester started on 9/16 and she turned 17 on 9/24. I know this keeps coming up but I can't figure out how it's supposed to connect to her murder?

It's not. I just struggle with OCD

Lori said she was at BYU. Also, we dissect everything here routinely. jmo

This^^. Hey, I own my OCD tendencies. Quibbling over details is therapeutic, right?

 

[wenwe4]

So I found this to be very interesting from a video posted by @Tortoise on May 9th from an interview with MP and IP with Morgan Loew. In my opinion, MP makes a very important slip of the tongue. Then she goes on to pivot and try to redirect to rambling about how she didn’t have BB shot at and all the threats LV was getting And so on.

I watched the video (thank you for the transcript for reference too! @Tortoise) and when she said what she said below BBM I was like whoa! She’s going to admit to believing everything he just asked. Then of course she pivots and redirects to try to cover what she said. To me the video and really being able to watch her as she shifts to rambling was important. All Jmo of course!

Do you think that Tylee and JJ were in danger, do you think that Lori thought they were zombies, do you think that they, that she thought that their spirits had left them?

MP: I didn’t think they were in danger, um and didn’t have those fears and doubts until this welfare check um and then Chad and Lori left I didn’t have contact with them, and I’m absolutely worried. I knew the threats that Lori had been um getting and I don’t know what’s going on and so I was, you know, being in a new marriage, I’m kind of dumping on him I’m worried about this, I’m worried about this, meanwhile we have all these false accusations and questions about this supposed shooting that uh Brandon Boudreaux’s claiming that happened, (she continues on)

Nice catch!
Interesting that she said in past tense she didn't think they were in danger but now really worried (especially replying to this specific question) and NOW she is worried. Seriously lends some foreboding doom to the paragraph (IMO)

 

[fred&edna]

 

[155etta]

East Idaho News


A lot of people have been visiting the Chad Daybell home in Salem to contribute to this memorial to JJ and Tylee.

 

[RickshawFan]

SBM
Seriously, do they ask that you check your rational brain at the door? (Don't look at the man behind the curtain!) The level of blind following without even thinking through what their message really is - beyond what I can even envision.

Yep, they call it faith.

 

[Michael0808]

Nice catch!
Interesting that she said in past tense she didn't think they were in danger but now really worried (especially replying to this specific question) and NOW she is worried. Seriously lends some foreboding doom to the paragraph (IMO)

That’s what stood out to me. It was eerie to hear her say that and then, in her mind, start to masterfully pivot and redirect. I was watching it with no real context of where she fit in with everything oh but I’m learning now lol

ETA I think it must have been the Dateline episode I saw them on because I remember finding them creepy, and thinking ok... you spied on your new wife for the FBI. Oh but I’m seeing things through a whole new light thanks to this addictive and insightful group of Sleuthers!