Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #12

[CatsEye]

DBM

 

[Friday Fan]

To add to that, the attendance records including possibly the time he arrived on the day of the shooting. Also, the school would have a list of medications he used.

So, DDD and a scholarship? CV seemed to have decent income, why a scholarship? MOO

It appears that Life Academy is a private school that specializes in autism. Those schools tend to be very expensive.

 

[kye0001]

Thank you! I'm in Europe, a few months ago I was called by the equivalent of my school district to come to pick up my records, from elementary school through high school. It was pretty much just my report cards and a few, very brief observations. I did find it curious that, in 9th grade, my teacher seemed concerned about me and talked to my dad about it, turns out I was having boy problems and girl drama. I never in a million years thought a teacher would caught that, I don't remember my dad ever bringing it up to me either, I only found out because I got my school records back.

A lot of what’s written is destroyed after a period of time. Some is just attached to their records (or at least it was up until I stopped working in education 7 years ago but I can’t see things changing too much). It’s also different as the child grows up eg. The comments a four year old will make will be different to the ones a 14 year old will make.

You don’t want to tarnish a child or parents reputation but it’s our job to keep records. Eg. Four year old says mummy hit him, no bruises or marks. That kind of thing might go in a separate observation book that wouldn’t go home but also wouldn’t be passed on to the next school. Because a) it might not have happened, b) might have been a one off telling off or c) it might become a regular thing and we might start getting bruises (then it’s recorded and we’d take it further, first by talking to the parents or reporting it on). If it’s the first two there’s no point in putting child or parents at risk or alienating parent/teacher relationships.

It obviously changes as they get older and more is recorded on their main file as an older child is more able to accurately report something. A younger child may say they didn’t get fed last night and when you start talking about what they are after school it comes out they had dinner but mum wouldn’t let them eat sweets before bed lol...in that 4 years olds mind they were starved. Then you get others that can’t answer that question, don’t even mention it and actually hadn’t eaten since they had lunch at nursery the day before.

JJ sounds as though he was very bright, with a excellent recollection and it sounds as though he got on well with his teachers. His records may be quite telling MOO

 

[CatsEye]

Photos of Lori and Chad
I've been meaning to ask - Are the two photos (often side by side in media) of Chad and Lori with blue background Mugshots or booking photos? I'm in Australia so not familiar but they don't look like family photos. Anyone know the source or original purpose of these two photos? Thank you!

Drivers license photos, I believe. Probably Tylee's too.

 

[jjenny]

Drivers license photos, I believe. Probably Tylee's too.

Yea, they are definitely not mugshots since these two (Chad and Lori) haven't been charged with anything.

 

[jjenny]

A lot of what’s written is destroyed after a period of time. Some is just attached to their records (or at least it was up until I stopped working in education 7 years ago but I can’t see things changing too much). It’s also different as the child grows up eg. The comments a four year old will make will be different to the ones a 14 year old will make.

You don’t want to tarnish a child or parents reputation but it’s our job to keep records. Eg. Four year old says mummy hit him, no bruises or marks. That kind of thing might go in a separate observation book that wouldn’t go home but also wouldn’t be passed on to the next school. Because a) it might not have happened, b) might have been a one off telling off or c) it might become a regular thing and we might start getting bruises (then it’s recorded and we’d take it further, first by talking to the parents or reporting it on). If it’s the first two there’s no point in putting child or parents at risk or alienating parent/teacher relationships.

It obviously changes as they get older and more is recorded on their main file as an older child is more able to accurately report something. A younger child may say they didn’t get fed last night and when you start talking about what they are after school it comes out they had dinner but mum wouldn’t let them eat sweets before bed lol...in that 4 years olds mind they were starved. Then you get others that can’t answer that question, don’t even mention it and actually hadn’t eaten since they had lunch at nursery the day before.

JJ sounds as though he was very bright, with a excellent recollection and it sounds as though he got on well with his teachers. His records may be quite telling MOO

From what grandparents described, JJ had an unusually excellent memory, so sounds like he was a savant.

 

[kye0001]

Yeah, the school was on to her. They had probably seen the news and knew there was a strong discrepancy between her demeanor when she dropped JJ off / her explanation of suicide -- and the news reports. They also knew her. But somehow she isn't bothered with people knowing she is lying.

(Please, even the officer who took her story on the day of the murder, the one who seemed like he was being charmed by her -- even he had to know. Please tell me he wasn't actually falling for that breezy laugh??)

I don’t know about the police officer but my experience is a teacher knows their kids (or at least a good one does), if that child is bright like JJ and has a good memory and autistic children tend to be honest to a fault they’ll have been recording everything that sounded strange. People gossip in staff rooms and they tend to be very judgemental and nosey (that’s the part i don’t miss about it). They’ll have been following it and speculating. MOO

 

[CatsEye]

I've been having trouble keeping up and there is a big portion I missed yesterday - don't even know where to start... But I have still seen today mention of the heavy totes in the storage unit footage and am wondering if we discussed that they just might actually be the removal backseats of Lori's Rogue? They must have been transferring quite a bit of stuff in her car and even needed the tire cargo space?

 

[kye0001]

I've been having trouble keeping up and there is a big portion I missed yesterday - don't even know where to start... But I have still seen today mention of the heavy totes in the storage unit footage and am wondering if we discussed that they just might actually be the removal backseats of Lori's Rogue? They must have been transferring quite a bit of stuff in her car and even needed the tire cargo space?

Yes that’s in the last few pages of yesterday’s thread.

 

[tealrose]

The mention of funding and scholarships (in Lori's email to the school) do not necessarily indicate low income, either. The school's website states that most student receive scholarships, and a year of tuition is $37,500. Ouch.

One further thought. While I'm sure some of their students have learning challenges, the curricula mentioned on the website is fairly standard. Their math of choice, Saxon, is even a longstanding favorite of homeschoolers and private schools.

I see it as entirely possible that JJ was simply not told the truth about his father's death, and that his "lack of understanding", had he been told, would have been no different than any other child of the same age.

 

[CatsEye]

Yes that’s in the last few pages of yesterday’s thread.

Thanks - I'll be sure to look through there again.

 

[Wyle_E_Coyote]

I get that. But why not say “it’s an ongoing investigation” instead of reiterating they stand behind the original team’s self-defense conclusion? Why say “the only reason the case is still open” is the missing kids? The kids weren’t missing at the time of the homicide so keeping it open has nothing to do further investigation of CV’s murder.

As I’ve said before I am usually a staunch supporter of LE, but not to the point of overlooking really bad police work.

I want pressure put on them until they do the job they should have done in the first place. Even better, have another agency step in and start all over.

There could be any number of reasons, but my guess is LE is concerned that implying that LV is being investigated for first degree murder may further endanger the children, if they are still alive.

 

[kye0001]

[QUOTE="tealrose, post: 15786307, member: 110769"
I see it as entirely possible that JJ was simply not told the truth about his father's death, and that his "lack of understanding", had he been told, would have been no different than any other child of the same age.[/QUOTE]

I know my son (he’s asd) is very literal about death, always has been. If I’d told him someone had died he would accept that. He would be upset if he was close to them..but after a day or it would be normal to him. Sounds harsh but he takes death as a part of life and always has. He’s very literal. I don’t think they’d told him either. Maybe that was so that he didn’t talk as opposed to caring about him.

A lot of teachers are nosey (not all are the caring people we expect) and if it had been in the news I expect they’d have brought it up gently with him to see what he knew. I’ve seen it done myself with a couple of kids that their parents were arrested. It wasn’t out of concern for the kids it was downright nosiness. I can talk about that as my sons friends with them still and those kids still remember it. I was the only one they spoke to as I knew their mum through after school kid sports/activities. They still tell me now that they’d already been told not to tell the teachers. But...JJs asd would prevent him having that filter. MOO

 

[Lionsanddandelions]

There could be any number of reasons, but my guess is LE is concerned that implying that LV is being investigated for first degree murder may further endanger the children, if they are still alive.

I thought the same. It appears the reporters have respected LE's requests to keep certain aspects of the various investigations quiet to preserve the integrity of those investigations ... makes me wonder why this info might be released now.

 

[Rush4087]

This one's kinda out there (the search warrant info has got me scratching my head)..

I can't recall.. Did Chandler PD ever take possession of CV's cell phone?

Although AC may have mentioned the dispute over the phone during his curbside interview (I can't recall), certainly after interviewing Lori (and Tylee?) at the scene, Chandler PD would've learned of the phone's existence - and the key role it played in the events that had just taken place (unless the dispute over the phone is only something Lori and/or Tylee mentioned in later statements).

If Chandler PD did learn of the deadly "keep away game" while at the scene, surely they would have immediately taken the cell phone into evidence (after all, the dispute over the phone is what got CV killed, so what's in the phone?).

But - what if Chandler PD tried to collect the phone, but couldn't - because it wasn't there? Although the phone would've HAD to have been either in the home or in the rental car, I can just see Lori saying something like: "I don't know where it is, everything just happened so fast"

If Chandler PD both knew about the phone and were unable to locate it at the scene, perhaps they belatedly (like in early December...) thought: "wonder if Lori put it in JJ's backpack when she dropped him off?"

 

[FindingJoLee]

The mention of funding and scholarships (in Lori's email to the school) do not necessarily indicate low income, either. The school's website states that most student receive scholarships, and a year of tuition is $37,500. Ouch.

One further thought. While I'm sure some of their students have learning challenges, the curricula mentioned on the website is fairly standard. Their math of choice, Saxon, is even a longstanding favorite of homeschoolers and private schools.

I see it as entirely possible that JJ was simply not told the truth about his father's death, and that his "lack of understanding", had he been told, would have been no different than any other child of the same age.

I'm not too bothered by him not knowing the truth. I think letting a child know about his father's death needs to be handled with a lot of care -- right words at the right time from the right people, with the right support. What I'm bothered by is the lack of communication between Lori and the school about it. Some of the people I would turn to for some guidance on how to share this news would be the child's social worker/therapist / case worker and his teachers.

 

[Friday Fan]

The mention of funding and scholarships (in Lori's email to the school) do not necessarily indicate low income, either. The school's website states that most student receive scholarships, and a year of tuition is $37,500. Ouch.

One further thought. While I'm sure some of their students have learning challenges, the curricula mentioned on the website is fairly standard. Their math of choice, Saxon, is even a longstanding favorite of homeschoolers and private schools.

I see it as entirely possible that JJ was simply not told the truth about his father's death, and that his "lack of understanding", had he been told, would have been no different than any other child of the same age.

Is this the school? Because this Life Academy specializes in autism.

Autism Schools | Lexington Services

 

[kye0001]

I'm not too bothered by him not knowing the truth. I think letting a child know about his father's death needs to be handled with a lot of care -- right words at the right time from the right people, with the right support. What I'm bothered by is the lack of communication between Lori and the school about it. Some of the people I would turn to for some guidance on how to share this news would be the child's social worker/therapist / case worker and his teachers.

I suspect she had too much of a distrust for anyone in authority to get help from the school. My suspicion is they were nothing more than glorified babysitters in her eyes MOO

 

[alter idem]

That said, LDS folks do sometimes refer to their civil marriage as a "commitment ceremony" in order to differentiate it from the religious temple ceremony. For example, a family member of mine was recently married in an LDS temple, and they signed the marriage license there, but then held a "commitment ceremony" that evening basically just going through the motions of a standard wedding (walk down the aisle, vows, rings, etc) that all friends and family who are not LDS could attend. It's considered a way to be inclusive of non-religous or inactive loved ones. So, maybe they are still legally married but ALSO held a commitment ceremony. Just my $.02

I'm not sure about this. While it's true that some LDS couples may hold a ring ceremony (and they are asked NOT to go through the motions of a standard wedding, such as walking down an aisle) after a Temple sealing, it's done so that family and friends who could not attend the temple ceremony are able to share in a ceremony of sorts, but it's not at all a legal ceremony. Chad and Lori were not sealed in a temple, so no reason to hold a 'ring ceremony or what you call a commitment ceremony' and since it was in hawaii instead of at home with family and friends, why hold two ceremonies? I think that Justin knows what he's talking about and they had some kind of ceremony on the beach, possibly not a legal marriage even. I won't be at all surprised to find out the two aren't really legally married yet.

 

[Lusitana]

I'm not too bothered by him not knowing the truth. I think letting a child know about his father's death needs to be handled with a lot of care -- right words at the right time from the right people, with the right support. What I'm bothered by is the lack of communication between Lori and the school about it. Some of the people I would turn to for some guidance on how to share this news would be the child's social worker/therapist / case worker and his teachers.

Exactly. It didn’t strike me as odd that he didn’t know his dad died, and thought he was away on business, since that was a common occurrence. I don’t know if I would tell a child right away. Usually, when a close family member dies, the younger the children are, the later they are told about it. But I’m with you, she should’ve told the school about the fact that he didn’t know. That was such a d*ck move, of course someone at the school would approach the subject, specially if he had any sort of counseling or therapy there. Maybe she didn’t want to be the one to tell him. Who knows, at this point nothing really surprises me anymore.