Robin Hood
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I can't imagine walking up that road day or night.
Yeah thats one of the first things that struck me was how perfect the second show fit your timeline!I think, I remember that movie. Awesome longbow! But that proves only my bad movie taste, does it?
Now seriously, if he came out of the theater about 11:15, he had about an hour, likely a little less (I wrote in the profile about the timeline), to eat that burger, drink a soda and ask around to get a ride ... and to get spooked. So that fits perfectly.
Peter
Yes!That is The Fair and lumberjack days very much as Lonnie would have seen it..This mentions all the places we are looking at including the Clearwater fair and lumberjack days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cgc6cePMpqY
That is the Old Greer Road...its across the river from Greer and connects Greer to the Nez Perce prairie. I made the mistake of trying to drive down it a few years ago hoping it would be a short cut(Hah!)I couldnt go faster then 10mph.Is this the "Greer Grade"? If so, I can't imagine anyone walking up that at night
Down Greer Road - YouTube
Yes!That is The Fair and lumberjack days very much as Lonnie would have seen it..
At 3:57 of your video your looking right down Johnson Avenue where the Rex Theater is.
I have one on Youtube I just found that you guys need to see!
Its called"Greer To Orofino Run"
Its taken with a camera mounted on the right side of a motor cycle.
The Bike starts down the Greer Grade about a third of the way up.
It goes down the grade into Greer and stops breifly in Greer then it continues thru Greer turns left crosses the Greer Bridge.
At 3:57 youll see exactly where the teenagers would have dropped Lonnie off.
It continues down river towards Orofino.
Between 7:51 and 8:02 is the area where Lonnie was murdered and dumped on the right...same side as the camera .
At 11:38 is the end of the Orofino bridge where Lonnie was picked up(its not the same bridge the old one was replaced in 1997 but the view is the same) at 11:51 after the bike crosses the bridge into Orofino on the right is the turn-off into the Fair Grounds.
frankly I couldnt show you guys a better view of the area weve been discussing short of having you here and driving you guys down the river myself.
Im going to check Amazon for 'The Black Rose'...I have to see it now.
Oh by the way my friend from Weippe called.
She visited the Weippe cemetary I guess Orrin Wood is buried a stones throw from Lonnie.
I hadnt noticed.
Im terrible at posting links but just go to Youtube through Robin's link and type 'Greer to Orofino Run' in Youtube's search engine.
This shows you exactly the area where Lonnie was picked up by the kids.
Where he was dropped off and where he was murdered and the exact ground his killer would have driven that night...just try and picture it in the dark.....
I noticed where Lonnie was left is a nice straight bit of road so the unsub could see any traffic coming from either direction.
Re. Orrin - I picked up on his burial place in proximity to Lonnie's way back when it was first posted and thought to myself if 'I had murdered Lonnie the last place I'd want to be is lying in the ground a stones throw from him' makes you wonder if that somehow takes him out of the picture, just musing really. Maybe it's just my thinking.
After I checked the moon phase (on the previous page) I don't think the unsub could see to pose the body that night. IMO Lonnie lay where he fell until the next evening when I think the unsub returned to remove the restraints (when he could see better) leaving rigamortis to keep Lonnie's hands in place.
Yes!That is The Fair and lumberjack days very much as Lonnie would have seen it..
At 3:57 of your video your looking right down Johnson Avenue where the Rex Theater is.
I have one on Youtube I just found that you guys need to see!
Its called"Greer To Orofino Run"
Its taken with a camera mounted on the right side of a motor cycle.
The Bike starts down the Greer Grade about a third of the way up.
It goes down the grade into Greer and stops breifly in Greer then it continues thru Greer turns left crosses the Greer Bridge.
At 3:57 youll see exactly where the teenagers would have dropped Lonnie off.
It continues down river towards Orofino.
Between 7:51 and 8:02 is the area where Lonnie was murdered and dumped on the right...same side as the camera .
At 11:38 is the end of the Orofino bridge where Lonnie was picked up(its not the same bridge the old one was replaced in 1997 but the view is the same) at 11:51 after the bike crosses the bridge into Orofino on the right is the turn-off into the Fair Grounds.
frankly I couldnt show you guys a better view of the area weve been discussing short of having you here and driving you guys down the river myself.
Im going to check Amazon for 'The Black Rose'...I have to see it now.
Oh by the way my friend from Weippe called.
She visited the Weippe cemetary I guess Orrin Wood is buried a stones throw from Lonnie.
I hadnt noticed.
Im terrible at posting links but just go to Youtube through Robin's link and type 'Greer to Orofino Run' in Youtube's search engine.
This shows you exactly the area where Lonnie was picked up by the kids.
Where he was dropped off and where he was murdered and the exact ground his killer would have driven that night...just try and picture it in the dark.....
I noticed where Lonnie was left is a nice straight bit of road so the unsub could see any traffic coming from either direction.
Re. Orrin - I picked up on his burial place in proximity to Lonnie's way back when it was first posted and thought to myself if 'I had murdered Lonnie the last place I'd want to be is lying in the ground a stones throw from him' makes you wonder if that somehow takes him out of the picture, just musing really. Maybe it's just my thinking.
After I checked the moon phase (on the previous page) I don't think the unsub could see to pose the body that night. IMO Lonnie lay where he fell until the next evening when I think the unsub returned to remove the restraints (when he could see better) leaving rigamortis to keep Lonnie's hands in place.
Thank you! I hope to someday be computer literate!Thank you! I just watched the video and stopped it at each section you mentioned. It really helps to visualize the area. I bet it hasn't changed that much since 1951 either.
Here's the link for "Greer to Orofino Run":
Greer to Orofino Run - YouTube
That was a very well put together profile Peter, we have little to work with but things are presenting themselves to give us a rough timeline. The cinema and the Kamiah boys
etc.
You may well be correct about staging of the body by the unsub, I was thinking more of the throat being cut from behind and Lonnie falling forwards, knees bending and he taking that position himself. However the more I think about it the unsub must have helped, as you say, Lonnie was in a 'rape' position.
We need the crime scene photos, I'm sure most of us here would know straight away if it was staged.
I would be interested to know why Lonnie wasn't seen by school friends, relatives, neighbours between 4.30pm and the movie.
I also agree that Lonnie wasn't restrained when his fingers were scraped or we, IMO would see restraint marks created by his clawing and pulling on the bindings.
The vehicle used, again as Peter said, is likely a delivery truck.
I haven't managed to find any similar crimes in the news apart from Mr Walter Cunningham, I can understand why rape would not be reported but murder is a different crime, the victim doesn't have a choice.
Maybe I might search the news for any local killed in Korea or car accidents etc, although that would be a dead end (excuse the pun)
Excellent profile Peter, we have to build on it now.
Would you know how to get Walter Cunninghams files Peter ? I just want to satisfy myself really. He niggles me.
Was just reading about another case (nothing to do with Lonnie) and noticed a profile, found this bit interesting. From this report of the murder of a Pastor, it's a woman victim but never the less it's info.
http://www.practicalhomicide.com/current/TULSA1.htm
''"If the body was posed, I can state unequivocally, it's extremely rare circumstances," said Vernon Geberth, crime author and expert. "Less than one percent of all homicides present sexually posed victims."
Experts say posed bodies are more likely to be women and often include sexual assault. Police have not released any information concerning sexual assault in Pastor Daniels' case; however, the autopsy diagrams show her left breast was severely injured, which Geberth says is sexual in nature.
"I do see mutilation to the breast, so I have to assume it's a sexual presentation, the cutting to the throat is also interesting, because it's sexual as is strangulation," Geberth said''
Cheers Peter on the above.
Re Cunningham - ''inmate records from wherever he served'' I have tried that by email and rec'd no reply. I used the freedom of info blah, blah and they just ignored me.
Re the Census, I was hoping for his address on his paperwork, I think I need that for this search type.
I found his child who died listed, giving me the mother and father etc but can find no birth or death for him.
Anybody else in Idaho that can have a look for a paper trail ? Poor Kline has lots to do
already.
And here's a little bit of practical psychology: Emails are easier ignored than letter, letters are easier ignored than phone calls. And phone calls, which made the other person feeling good by doing what you want are rarely ignored :floorlaugh:
They just opened the 1940 census. So those information should appear in the next weeks in ancestry. What you need is name and area at least. Can be, it's already up as uscensus.com.
So you have the name of the child? Did you look at findagrave? Sometimes relatives are mentioned. Same with obits in the local press.
Kline does the work of five people already. Would be so nice if LE would do also a little share.
Peter