If Terri didn't do it, then why.....

[ella971]

I need to voice this. Please hear me out, folks.

I don't know if TH is guilty or not. I do know that there are a whole lot of rumors and unverified things (e.g. my post about the poly's) flying around, that somehow people have decided is true, and are running to convictionland with. But the real truth is we don't know.

I see a huge issue looming. The pressure on TH is enormous, and I'm frightened she will suicide.

People get mad because DY says TH is not cooperating. If by cooperating, DY means confessing, what if there's nothing TH can confess to?

People get mad because TH isn't wearing a particular tee shirt. So what? Neither is KH or DY...but no one gets furious with them. Just TH.

KH and TH went to the gym - together!!! - and yet TH is castigated and excuses are given for KH. For the same thing. For pete's sake, people!! Cstigate both, or castigate neither. I mean, honestly.

KH put something onto a TRO, which is granted as a matter of course, and people have decided that LE has PC to nail TH. Well, maybe, but maybe they see this as both a protective measure (someone did go to them and say there was a MFH plot), and as a way to pressure TH into breaking. Some folks think that means LE knows far more than they're telling. I don't know; but I can say that if they're wrong, and operating on rumors, then a woman's life is doubly ruined. And the TRO may not even be granted, especially if KH can't come up with better evidence than "I think...".

If I were the DA, I'd not allow any charges to be filed...not on what little hard evidence LE may have. For all I know, they have nothing...the failed poly's were a lie, and so even that unadmissable evidence is false. There is no way I'd put my name on the bottom of a charging document and put it in front of a judge for a warrant...not without a whole lot more than rumors, hearsay, and flat biased BS that's been floating around. I keep wondering, "what if TH really has told all she knows...?"

I want Kyron found. Alive, if possible. But found. I don't know if I think TH is guilty or not. But I do know that if the pressure continues, she just might decide to kill herself. And if she does, and Kyron is then found, dead (God forbid) or alive (please God), and it turns out that she had nothing to do with it...a woman's life was destroyed on innuendo and rumor.

I am just very frustrated at how TH is being treated. It's going to backfire somehow. I just hope it doesn't compound the tragedy we all know about - and that is Kyron is missing, and needs to come home.

Thanks for hearing me. Praying for Kyron, always.

Best-
Herding Cats

Good post. We all hope he is found alive. I can say some of us want T to have had nothing to do with this.FBI is on this and it's hard to sit back and wait. If she is proved to have nothing to do with it her life will not be destroyed. She would be vindicated.Lets try and stay positive and pray that he is alive and can home.

 

[Mylou]

One strange thing to me is if she's explained which answers she got wrong and why but then Kaine said she walked out before she was even hooked up. If she didn't do the test how did she tell which answers she would have failed?

Ive read she took two LDT's , one she walked out of .

 

[Kateyes]

In the same respect how could ANYONE get him out of the school without being seen? I dont know the answer to that but somehow he got out of the school and no one saw.

Well, I have an idea of how TH could have gotten him out of the school without anyone seeing. It is one of those "hidden in plain sight" things. She takes him to school to establish the alibi that he was at school; easily accomplished once he saw a few of his friends. Since it was the day of the science fair, parents were busy helping their respective children get their projects to their classrooms. So, TH may have told Kyron that she had a surprise for him she forgot to give him in the car (or something similar) and then they both went back to the car together. I read somewhere on a thread here something about TH using a different/back set of stairs to leave the school. If she did that, she could have had Kyron with her and most likely did not see many people by going that way. If anyone did see her with Kyron, it probably would not raise any red flags since TH often dropped Kyron off at school. This type of info would be revealed in the answers from the interview questions LE gave to school parents, teachers, etc. Sorry for long post, but the bottom line is no one would think it unusual to see TH with Kyron,and it could easliy go unnoticed as she walked him back out of the school to her car. Pure speculation and JMHO only.

 

[cluciano63]

I think TH is the only one who could get Kyron out of the school without anyone noticing. That is just my opinion. Given the time frames, etc, I do not see a stranger or even a somewhat familiar face being able to convince Kyron to leave with them so quickly that no one saw a thing. Kyron was probably somewhat excited to stay in school on that particular morning, if he was proud of his display. Terri may have told him they were heading to Medford early, if she took him out to do him harm. He would have been excited about the anticipated fishing trip with TY.

If she was determined to harm him (I have said until now I do not think it was planned...so still unsure how I feel on this) I do not think that her baby's presence would hamper her; it takes a pretty sick mind to plan to kill a small boy (if indeed she did) so I doubt that she would worry overly much about a baby incapable of speech.

But, all that said...I do hope LE finds some real evidence soon, if she did this crime. The community will begin to lose patience soon and Terri may in danger from some of the more vicious members of the public, or even a danger to herself. LE has reason to keep Terri in their sights as long as they have eyes elsewhere as well.

 

[Lokiza]

Well, I have an idea of how TH could have gotten him out of the school without anyone seeing. It is one of those "hidden in plain sight" things. She takes him to school to establish the alibi that he was at school; easily accomplished once he saw a few of his friends. Since it was the day of the science fair, parents were busy helping their respective children get their projects to their classrooms. So, TH may have told Kyron that she had a surprise for him she forgot to give him in the car (or something similar) and then they both went back to the car together. I read somewhere on a thread here something about TH using a different/back set of stairs to leave the school. If she did that, she could have had Kyron with her and most likely did not see many people by going that way. If anyone did see her with Kyron, it probably would not raise any red flags since TH often dropped Kyron off at school. This type of info would be revealed in the answers from the interview questions LE gave to school parents, teachers, etc. Sorry for long post, but the bottom line is no one would think it unusual to see TH with Kyron,and it could easliy go unnoticed as she walked him back out of the school to her car. Pure speculation and JMHO only.

Kat- I do think you might have something here. Kyron made it out of that school and if TH did it...I am thinking they just walked back out. Most people were probably in the school and paying attention to the fair. No one noticed...but you would still think people walking into the school would have seen something maybe.

If TH is involved...is she getting away with the perfect crime? She is shut down now, doesn't seem like anyone is getting anywhere further with her. The price tag is huge for MCSO and the DA..$300,000 and $50,000 respectively. Will their funds be cut back, or reduced after all this time? Is time on her side if she just sits this out?

The $50,000 spent so far from the DA says they were dug in and gathering quite a bit. There is still lotts of details something tells me that is not known to the public.:waitasec:

 

[CarmelEyesD]

It has always seemed to me that a habitual or natural liar could pass a poly easy. If they are used to lying, usually do and it flows from them easily-they are not going to have the physiological changes that we do-increased blood pressure, pulse rising, rapid heartbeat etc-that normal people experience when they lie. If they either believe their lie, or are just so accustomed to lying-I don't think a machine would read it. You have to know you are lying, and/or be 'bothered' by your lie ,to react to that. I could be wrong, but it has always seemed to be that way to me.

 

[Lokiza]

One would think you would be willing to sit through whatever was asked of you like the biological parents have done if you unconditionally love a child. I think what people identify now is that TH is reported to last see Kyron, supposedly raised him, should care about him almost as much as DY..and yet appears to show annoyance and hiding like this is a waste of her time.

TH walked out of the LDT and has not gone back to finish according to DY and KH. Or there is a report at three attempts. I think it is a very good thing they released this detail about walking out. The fact that TH cannot even go back into LE with her new attorney present to finish tells says alot. She must be responsible for something that will get her into trouble. She has herself quite the pickle now with the parents confirming and releasing their beliefs they think she has done something to Kyron. This is EXACTLY what they needed to do and I am glad they have finally opened up-tactfully. They have TH at checkmate right now.

The only right thing for TH to do is take somekind of positive action towards helping- even at a distance. Do it through your lawyer so you never have to talk to a camera or over the phone if you have issues with that - but release a statement. :snooty:

Both KY and DY seem like smart enough people to think about their words before they answer reporters so what they are saying they stand behind. They do not think they can answer something- they say so in the interviews I watched. Good for them and I bet it is so hard for them to hold back.

They have strength on their side. :angel: The perp whoever it is- is going to trip up. I have faith. :loser:

 

[For The Kids]

LOL.....that is sort of an inside joke with some LE officers, they tell everyone that 'cause they get a chuckle out of hearing that same lame old worn out phrase coming out of everyone's mouth who takes a LDT. If you notice...TY was not the one using that phrase 'cause he probably gets the joke. I have frequently heard LE say that they do not interpret the results, a specialist does, and that person doesn't necessarily ever see or speak to the person being questioned.

jmo

I dunno....TY DID say that the stuff in the media was correct ( which INCLUDES that she failed her test i guess) ... and it also said in the media the parents PASSED theres so...i assume if we are to look at TY for one thing we can others

 

[For The Kids]

LE might be focusing on her cause her family is selling her down the river more then any actual evidence of her guilt

i still havent seen any evidence, other then rumors and innuendo that she is guilty. oh and her husbands semi-daily slams on her.

if she turns out to be totally innocent there is gonna be a lot of crow eating.

Not really because you will still have the situation where she wouldnt cooperate to find her 7 year old step son. All she has to is tell the truth. Other people manage it why not her?

 

[DairyGirl]

Ive read she took two LDT's , one she walked out of .

Actually I heard there were three. The first one she walked out in the middle. They scheduled one for a little bit after wards. She walked out before the test started. And then the last test that she apparently took and failed.

 

[Mylou]

Actually I heard there were three. The first one she walked out in the middle. They scheduled one for a little bit after wards. She walked out before the test started. And then the last test that she apparently took and failed.

That's interesting, I don't know what to believe about them anymore, I've read she left the first one, and failed the second one. Then I read she left the second one. It's crazy.

I just read it, yup, now its three. Im confused, I don't know if its the media reporting or Kaine.

 

[Susan10]

then again the landscaper might just be a (unusual person) for all we know. i still have no idea why any sane person would implicate themselves in a murder plot that the police were unaware of

I know, it seems a stretch.

As for reasons, when I read your post I could imaging the guy saying, "Hey, don't look at me! That lady's crazy! She tried to get me to kill her husband! If you look at anyone, look at her!"

That still doesn't explain, if what he alleges is true, why he didn't tell LE about her plot. Kyron might still be here if he had.

 

[Donjeta]

If I were the DA, I'd not allow any charges to be filed...not on what little hard evidence LE may have. For all I know, they have nothing...the failed poly's were a lie, and so even that unadmissable evidence is false. There is no way I'd put my name on the bottom of a charging document and put it in front of a judge for a warrant...not without a whole lot more than rumors, hearsay, and flat biased BS that's been floating around. I keep wondering, "what if TH really has told all she knows...?"

Respectfully snipped for space.

I imagine that if Kaine and Desiree made up the failed polygraph story and ran with the lie just to smear TH's reputation LE is looking at them mighty weirdly right now.

If you want to make up a lie that makes someone else look suspicious, IMO it would make more sense to come up with something that happened outside LE offices and that they can't easily prove wrong. She kicked at my cat... she hates old age pensioners...she stole that t-shirt...she once cheated in a test...

 

[keeponsearching]

Herding Cats both your post are awesome thank you!

I really feel that LE started looking towards TH very early once DY pointed her finger at her.

 

[Susan10]

there may have been another reason she was lying.

im clearly not thinking she's a saint here

honestly i just want kyron found and whoever responsible brought to justice. if its terri, fine.

if its kane fine.

if its both or either combination of or neither, fine.

just DO SOMETHING LE!

I agree she could have had another reason(s) for being there, but a child is missing and when someone is caught lying about his/her whereabouts under these tragic circumstances, it raises red flags imho.

 

[Susan10]

No. If we go by the RO, it said Terri usually worked out from 11-2. However she's home when he gets home at 1:45. I gather she usually did a three hour workout.

Has there been confirmation that TH was at the gym?

 

[Susan10]

The parents said the stepmother's very vocal about saying she failed.

Do we know why she said she failed them?

 

[Donjeta]

Desiree and Kaine said she gave lots of reasons but they couldn't talk about them.

 

[shefner]

There is way too much confusion concerning the LDT. We have every kind of report you can come up with...we've heard that LE told Kaine and Desiree that they "passed with flying colors" (Really? Cops say that kind of stuff?), we've heard Terri had a few evasive responses on her first test, we've heard she walked out of Test 1 in the middle, then she walked out of Test 2 before they started, and she refused Test 3, and we've heard she flunked them all. And there's a few more things we've heard about these tests....and they can't all be true.

 

[Donjeta]

I didn't think it was possible to be evasive on a polygraph because it's just yes or no answers but I guess it was explained recently and the evasive part was her walking out and evading the test altogether.