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Not at the Daily Express but at other English newspapers, there have been headlines and rubrics about the case against the McCanns collapsing and the results from the forensic lab proving that rather than matching Madeleine's DNA the residues didn't fit up, were inconclusive. I think the Daily Express is leading with that story tomorrow and wants us to buy the paper or wait until October 8.
 
Are the DNA results in?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/21360/MADELEINE-PARENTS-IN-THE-CLEAR

THE case against Kate and Gerry McCann lay in tatters last night after DNA evidence was found to be inconclusive.

With no fresh leads, Portuguese police are coming under increasing pressure to clear the couple.

But no solid evidence has yet emerged to support the theory that the toddler died the night she vanished, aged three.

A source close to the investigation said: “The tests which have taken place so far have proved inconclusive.
 
I don't think the PJ will be in a hurry to clear the McCanns, no matter what the lab evidence says. Look at how long RM has been an arguido.
 
I don't think the PJ will be in a hurry to clear the McCanns, no matter what the lab evidence says. Look at how long RM has been an arguido.
I agree Calikid. But probably for different reasons. :)
 
I don't think the PJ will be in a hurry to clear the McCanns, no matter what the lab evidence says. Look at how long RM has been an arguido.

I will reserve judgement as the express like the mail , sun have been known to embellish the odd story or so .

I will say this though that if the DNA evidence finaly does come through and it is inconclusive then the case against the Mccaans will be almost done - You cant find people guilty because they look shifty , have bad body language or you just dont like them - Evidence - conclusive evidence is what is needed.

I hope that what is left of the PJ investigative team and the prosecuting judge come clean everybody soon and either make a case or not.
 
I will reserve judgement as the express like the mail , sun have been known to embellish the odd story or so .

I will say this though that if the DNA evidence finaly does come through and it is inconclusive then the case against the Mccaans will be almost done - You cant find people guilty because they look shifty , have bad body language or you just dont like them - Evidence - conclusive evidence is what is needed.

I hope that what is left of the PJ investigative team and the prosecuting judge come clean everybody soon and either make a case or not.

Evidence is based on getting the true facts, and I dont think the truth was told, but how do we prove the lies, when you listen to what the McCanns and their friends have stated there have been inconsistencies, so there is some fact that someone has lied....why lie if you have done no wrong, I have not made my decision that the McCanns were somehow involved on my hatred for them because I dont hate them, but there is so much more the McCanns have or have not done that warrant them being suspects. Gord I agree everybody needs to come clean and this case be tried with whatever evidence is in the hands of the prosecution, and let a jury decide.
 
Evidence is based on getting the true facts, and I dont think the truth was told, but how do we prove the lies, when you listen to what the McCanns and their friends have stated there have been inconsistencies, so there is some fact that someone has lied....why lie if you have done no wrong, I have not made my decision that the McCanns were somehow involved on my hatred for them because I dont hate them, but there is so much more the McCanns have or have not done that warrant them being suspects. Gord I agree everybody needs to come clean and this case be tried with whatever evidence is in the hands of the prosecution, and let a jury decide.

there is big difference between inconsistencies and out and out lies - the problem now is that there has been so much that has been written about , so many scenarios that it is difficult to remember exactly what was said

Not that I want to rehash everything , but I cant remember any direct lies from the Mcaans or anyone in the group - that can be put down as close as we can as fact - obviously if you believe they did it then everything they have said from the outset has been a lie !!
 
there is big difference between inconsistencies and out and out lies - the problem now is that there has been so much that has been written about , so many scenarios that it is difficult to remember exactly what was said

Not that I want to rehash everything , but I cant remember any direct lies from the Mcaans or anyone in the group - that can be put down as close as we can as fact - obviously if you believe they did it then everything they have said from the outset has been a lie !!

You are only made a suspect if you are suspected of committing a crime, there are three suspects, Gerry and Kate McCann and Robert Murat. If you are a suspected then they must have some evidence to back up their suspicion. We are not privvy to all of the information.
 

The Mails take on it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...article_id=486351&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

British scientists have found new DNA evidence which could link Kate and Gerry McCann to Madeleine's disappearance, it has been revealed today.


The results, obtained at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham, support earlier forensic findings sent to Portugal by British scientists which led to the McCanns being named as official suspects.

Sources in Britain claim the fresh evidence shows the decision by Portuguese detectives to focus their investigation on the parents is justified.
Lawyers acting for the McCanns travelled to Portugal last week in an effort to have their suspect status removed. The couple sent their legal team to meet their Portuguese counterparts to discuss the case.


The news comes just as it was widely reported this morning that DNA evidence linking the McCanns to Madeleine's disappearance was 'inconclusive'.

But a senior source close to the investigation told the Evening Standard that the new DNA results showed the investigation was focused "where it should be". None of the new material provides definitive proof that Madeleine is dead.
The revelation of its existence will be a blow to the McCanns who deny any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.

The new positive results have been obtained from analysis of a mass of further material gathered from the McCanns' apartment in Praia da Luz from which she disappeared on 3 May, their hire car and other parts of the Mark Warner holiday complex. Madeleine was six days short of her fourth birthday when she vanished.
The initial police decision to focus on the McCanns followed the arrival in Portugal early last month of a first batch of results sent by the Forensic Science Service.


A senior source close to the investigation said: "There is no reason to change the direction of the investigation and everything that has emerged indicates that it is focusing where it should.
"This is a very complex case and forensics are rarely conclusive on their own, but the new material adds to the existing picture that has been built up by police and fills in a few more pieces of the jigsaw."
Those involved also point out that all the material sent to Birmingham for testing was gathered by Leicestershire police.
Sources also said the further tests cast into question explanations offered by the McCanns for the original results which are believed to have shown traces of Madeleine's blood in the family apartment and of her bodily fluids in the couple's hire car, rented 25 days after her disappearance.

British scientists are understood to be fully confident in their ability to distinguish between Madeleine's DNA and that of her siblings or parents.
Similarly, it is understood that the widely touted theory that her DNA could have been transferred via her toys or clothes in substantial quantities has been fully taken into account.
But because blood, bodily fluids and other material can deteriorate rapidly in hot conditions, the quality of some of the DNA matches is not as high as would have been the case if the Portuguese had collected it earlier.
The McCanns insist their daughter could still be alive and are planning to intensify their PR campaign.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said today: "There are wholly innocent explanations for any material police may or may not have found."
Sources close to the family have said DNA in the boot of the hire car could have come from Madeleine's clothing or sandals.
Mitchell said a campaign of TV adverts to be shown in Morocco was "ready to roll", as was a poster campaign in Spanish supermarkets.
Asked about possible replacements for Goncarlo Amaral, who resigned as head of the investigation last week, Mr Mitchell said he hoped the new chief, when he was appointed, would refocus the investigation on finding Madeleine.


Leicestershire police said it was not making any public statement on its view of what happened to the toddler. A spokesman said: "Since Madeleine's disappearance British Police have offered advice and support to the Portuguese. A wide range of specialist capabilities have been available for them to use."
 
The Mails take on it

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...article_id=486351&in_page_id=1770&ito=newsnow

British scientists have found new DNA evidence which could link Kate and Gerry McCann to Madeleine's disappearance, it has been revealed today.


The results, obtained at the Forensic Science Service laboratory in Birmingham, support earlier forensic findings sent to Portugal by British scientists which led to the McCanns being named as official suspects.

Sources in Britain claim the fresh evidence shows the decision by Portuguese detectives to focus their investigation on the parents is justified.
Lawyers acting for the McCanns travelled to Portugal last week in an effort to have their suspect status removed. The couple sent their legal team to meet their Portuguese counterparts to discuss the case.


The news comes just as it was widely reported this morning that DNA evidence linking the McCanns to Madeleine's disappearance was 'inconclusive'.

But a senior source close to the investigation told the Evening Standard that the new DNA results showed the investigation was focused "where it should be". None of the new material provides definitive proof that Madeleine is dead.
The revelation of its existence will be a blow to the McCanns who deny any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.

The new positive results have been obtained from analysis of a mass of further material gathered from the McCanns' apartment in Praia da Luz from which she disappeared on 3 May, their hire car and other parts of the Mark Warner holiday complex. Madeleine was six days short of her fourth birthday when she vanished.
The initial police decision to focus on the McCanns followed the arrival in Portugal early last month of a first batch of results sent by the Forensic Science Service.


A senior source close to the investigation said: "There is no reason to change the direction of the investigation and everything that has emerged indicates that it is focusing where it should.
"This is a very complex case and forensics are rarely conclusive on their own, but the new material adds to the existing picture that has been built up by police and fills in a few more pieces of the jigsaw."
Those involved also point out that all the material sent to Birmingham for testing was gathered by Leicestershire police.
Sources also said the further tests cast into question explanations offered by the McCanns for the original results which are believed to have shown traces of Madeleine's blood in the family apartment and of her bodily fluids in the couple's hire car, rented 25 days after her disappearance.

British scientists are understood to be fully confident in their ability to distinguish between Madeleine's DNA and that of her siblings or parents.
Similarly, it is understood that the widely touted theory that her DNA could have been transferred via her toys or clothes in substantial quantities has been fully taken into account.
But because blood, bodily fluids and other material can deteriorate rapidly in hot conditions, the quality of some of the DNA matches is not as high as would have been the case if the Portuguese had collected it earlier.
The McCanns insist their daughter could still be alive and are planning to intensify their PR campaign.
Clarence Mitchell, the McCanns' spokesman, said today: "There are wholly innocent explanations for any material police may or may not have found."
Sources close to the family have said DNA in the boot of the hire car could have come from Madeleine's clothing or sandals.
Mitchell said a campaign of TV adverts to be shown in Morocco was "ready to roll", as was a poster campaign in Spanish supermarkets.
Asked about possible replacements for Goncarlo Amaral, who resigned as head of the investigation last week, Mr Mitchell said he hoped the new chief, when he was appointed, would refocus the investigation on finding Madeleine.


Leicestershire police said it was not making any public statement on its view of what happened to the toddler. A spokesman said: "Since Madeleine's disappearance British Police have offered advice and support to the Portuguese. A wide range of specialist capabilities have been available for them to use."
This is information that doesnt help the McCanns if reliable, I dont think it will be long before Murat is no longer a suspect, and then there were 2.
 
But a senior source close to the investigation told the Evening Standard that the new DNA results showed the investigation was focused "where it should be".
None of the new material provides definitive proof that Madeleine is dead.
The revelation of its existence will be a blow to the McCanns who deny any involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.


I was just going to say that "inconclusive" does not mean the parents has nothing to do with their daughter's disappearance. I say, keep working on the investigation folks (British and Portuguese police).
 
Yet those bozos at FOXnews are reporting today that the McCanns are about to be cleared in the case. Where the heck do they get their info? Clarence Mitchell?
 
Yet those bozos at FOXnews are reporting today that the McCanns are about to be cleared in the case. Where the heck do they get their info? Clarence Mitchell?

Hello everyone :)

I tend to believe the article in the Daily Mail that's been posted here on WebSleuths. The same article is being run by The Evening Standard and The Sun Newspaper

I certainly hope things will move faster in Portugal now that the DNA from the British Forensic Team has been published. I also hope Mr Mitchell will cease his repetitive words towards any ‘allegations’ as being “totally ludicrous” now too.

Talking of Mr Clarence Mitchell... Did anyone read the last few paragraphs about him at the end of the article run by the The People Newspaper? The article starts to explain about the Madeleine Funds being depleted by the horrendous wages/expenses for the McCann’s previous PR (Justine McGunness) but near the end a source ‘leaks’ this:

“Clarence advised Kate to take the twins swimming and get pictured in her bathing suit shortly after the search for Madeleine had captured the media's attention. Kate was horrified by the suggestion - but Gerry wanted to go along with Clarence's advice.
"It was only when other family members told Gerry it was the wrong thing to do he backed down.
"The feeling was it sent the wrong message if Kate was pictured lounging by the side of the pool when she is distraught about Madeleine's disappearance.”

Is it possible that they’re building a case against their PR Clarence Mitchell in preparations of things to come?
 
“Clarence advised Kate to take the twins swimming and get pictured in her bathing suit shortly after the search for Madeleine had captured the media's attention. Kate was horrified by the suggestion - but Gerry wanted to go along with Clarence's advice.
"It was only when other family members told Gerry it was the wrong thing to do he backed down.
"The feeling was it sent the wrong message if Kate was pictured lounging by the side of the pool when she is distraught about Madeleine's disappearance.”

That can't be true. It must be a tabloid invention. If it is, im truly stunned. What sort of sick media driven world do we live in.

*** shakes head in disbelief ***
 
That can't be true. It must be a tabloid invention. If it is, im truly stunned. What sort of sick media driven world do we live in.

*** shakes head in disbelief ***


do not believe everything you read in the newspapers ........ especialy when you get down to the People ( lowest of the low Sunday rag )

pleas take what you read in the tabloid with a big pinch of salt and a bag of chips :laugh:
 
Sareece, I think the McCanns are very willing to pass around responsibility for everything to anyone but themselves.
 
Is there a timeline verifying their whereabouts during the entire day before they went to dinner? I am suggesting that, perhaps, something happened to the child earlier in the day.
 
Is there a timeline verifying their whereabouts during the entire day before they went to dinner? I am suggesting that, perhaps, something happened to the child earlier in the day.

The timeline is one of the things Kate McCann refused to answer questions about, reportedly. There is some confusion but a general timeline is posted in the timeline sticky at the top of the forum.
 
I won't be surprised if Gerry ditches Clarence. Gerry doesn't exhibit much loyalty to anyone but Gerry.

Kate in a bathing suit? Ouch...my eyes!!! Bony Maroney.
 
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