IL - Kenneka Jenkins, 19, found dead in hotel freezer, Rosemont, 10 Sept 2017 #1

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Wouldn't LE get the whole tape(s) to search through themselves? I can't imagine the hotel had enough time to snip, clip, alter, or destroy anything. Nor would they set themselves up to further chances for legal charges by police. Just does not make common-sense to me.

Police are analyzing video from 47 hotel cameras as well as "certain videos related to this investigation." On Wednesday, the Chicago Tribune reported that police are examining a Facebook Live video that appeared to show Jenkins sitting on a hotel bed with other people in a 9th-floor room.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/police-12-people-involved-in-some-way-in-kenneka-jenkins-death/
 
BBM

I just don't see that. Again, this is someone who has been on both ends of the candle, but, fortunately lived to tell of the poor choices. No one has sent LE out enforce to help look for me, or for my under age, missing child, nor did they bend over backward to help when said child was located in another state, and I'm as white as white on rice, and LE has turned their cameras off, and beaten the holy crap out of said child, recently, for no more than being a non-violent, repeat offender.

To get a private company's video, it takes a bit of time. Detectives have had to dissect all 47 cameras that were in use. They have to round up witnesses, and the witnesses phone videos too. Obviously her friends were of zero help as to where she could have gone, because they left her alone, in the lobby, drunk out of her gourd. If it were extremely simple to dissect the vids, they'd not have searched the entire hotel for eleven hours. It took eleven hours to search that facility. Her mom was called three times, by her daughter's friends, and she didn't even start to take it seriously until the 4:30 call. Honestly it is more common than one would think, that folks die in walk-in freezers, and do so sober.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trapped-deaths-inside-freezers-can-be-prevented-but-how/

Even in the best of circumstances, if she'd been sober, had on long sleeves or a sweatshirt, and had cardboard, and duct tape, and knew how to use them, surviving in there for six hours would be pushing it.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2004/apr/15/thisweekssciencequestions3


I think many of us old timers are in the Sherlock Holmes era of investigation!!

This is 2017 and the digital age!

I learned that these were action activated drastically cutting down search time.

This is not old school rewind the VHS! This is high tech! Digital enter cam 4 300pm poof there it is! If you have a mother standing there telling you can you look in the past hour this is typing in lobby 300 poof!

I am not sure where the cops need a warrent to look at CCTV comes from tho. If the hotel just got robbed is it likely they would want the video reviewed in 19 hours?

The issue for me is there must be a reason why the hotel did what it did, when it did it, and how it did it

CCTV is pro business. A business not wanting it used for what it is designed fo is
is a concern on my end - considering we have deceased 19 year old.
 
I don't think it's blaming as much as she was an adult and made a choice to go to a party instead of where she told her mother that she was going that night. As an adult, legally, she has the right to go where she wants, and disappear if she wants. It took LE eleven hours to search that entire motel. A skeleton night shift at the motel would not have had the manpower to do that, nor would they likely have had the staff available to sift through hours, and hours, and floors and floors, of video tape. That's what detectives are now doing. Ya'll think it's just so simple to search for someone, and bam, their found. It's not. She was last seen on the camera, near the freezer, at 3:20 per the cctv footage. Her mother didn't get there until around 5:00 or 5:30, and by that time, even if everyone had dropped everything, gotten a warrant for the videos, and went door to door starting by 6:00 a.m., in her intoxicated state, it doesn't have a good ending. Would you think to check a deep freeze in the basement of a motel, under construction, first? I'd not. Drunk people do things that get themselves killed, every, single, day. This has nothing to do with race. Her own mother said she'd give it 24 hours before she'd file a missing person report when she talked to LE. It may, however, have something to do with whoever rented the room, for them to party in, and provided her alcohol, and/or any other drug. People are free to go and come as they please at age 18, but they aren't allowed to rent a room, or drink alcohol, until age 21, so if I were the one who provided either of those things, I'd be laying low.

I agree with your whole post.

In real life, missing cases rarely get solved as quickly as this one did. I think our biggest concern is whether she got to the freezer by herself, and why she was left alone in that "intoxicated" state.



I'm guessing LE has more video of the friends that hasn't been released. Their story never made sense to me. Why would they have left her alone in the lobby while they all went back to get her phone and keys? She was obviously in no condition to be left alone, one of them should have stayed with her if for no other reason than to keep her from drawing attention to herself. They were dependent on her vehicle to get them home, they wouldn't have wanted to risk her getting arrested for public intoxication in the hotel lobby. I don't think they killed her, but I think she wandered away under different circumstances than the friends claimed.

agree with all you said. I don't get why they would have left her to stumble about by herself. one girl could have gone (or taken a second girl) to retrieve any missing time, and one could hsve stayed with a kennels. That would have made much more sense.

I would need to see video proving they all left together and separated with 3 going back and one left behind. At this point, I have a feeling it was a lie made to cover their own behinds. For what reason, I have no clue.


CARIIS, we have followed enough cases to know that videos can be altered and we computer-illiterates don't really always understand how it is done or detected. but .... who would have a motive to alter them in this case? Really, it always gets detected sooner or later. Someone would have to have top-notch photo editing skills to accomplish what you are suggesting in such a short time. If they are edited, I suspect it was done by whoever posted the different versions, and LE does not have time to continually point that out to the general public. JMO. (Love you dearly, but I have to disagree this time :heart: )
 
The video of her in the kitchen area almost looks like she was looking for someone, as in meeting up with someone....
 
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'This is similar to the one posted earlier but this is the routes between KM's home and the hotel

Oh my!

The distance in and of itself makes the decision to flee (as in "flee the scene of a crime" - that kind of flee) a room that has places to sleep and shower, after getting totally blasted for hours even more suspicious.

To do so ,driving a friends mothers car, without mothers child in it , makes it not the end of a party - but fleeing the hotel.

If the party started at 6 that night it might be a wind down. WIthin 90 minutes the party is over? Did the kids look ready to stop ? Hotel never said they asked everyone to leave.

WHy would a bunch of young kids run?

there are reasons why everyone behaved the way they did that night.

Something happened. imo.
 
I noticed that L next to the elevator as well. If she came down to the lobby with her friends, why is she getting off the elevator alone? Where is the video of her and her friends in the elevator, or them in the lobby realizing they had left the car keys and cell phone in the room? Why were they in such a hurry to get out that hotel room? There should be a video of everyone coming and going out of that hotel room. Is LE holding on to this video until everyone is questioned?

BBM
I think so. In the 911 recording the friends tell Mom that they asked about video and the staff told them there wasn't any video. I don't know if I believe much of anything these "friends" are saying. They were in CYA mode because they had her phone, her mom's car keys, and her mom's car, but not her mom's daughter, and they were definitely not at bowling and a movie.
 
My middle daughter disappeared 28 days before she turned 18. I did all the things I was supposed to do. Immediately filed the missing persons report. Gave LE all the info I could and yet 2 weeks later I found out they never filed the report. Don't even think the color of ones skin makes a difference in these cases. Nearly adult and barely adult missing persons are not taken seriously until either they see proff of danger or attorneys start getting involved. From around 16 and up they just blow it off.
 
I can't say I agree in regards to video editing. Both my boyfriend and a good friend of mine do security. He barely uses computers aside from basic browsing. It's known for being a job where you can slack sometimes especially on a night shift. Even if you aren't a slacker it's obviously impossible to watch all cameras at once but they're there as a record to look back on like now. You also have to remember these cameras are kind of low quality / low frame rate so some degradation / fuzziness is to be expected. Which I've seen mentioned as people in the shadows.

As previously stated I think it was more of a "Eh she'll show up, they always do" kind of mind state than a nefarious one. That and protection of people in the hotel. Do you know how often crazy mothers or spouses probably come in to a hotel demanding to know where someone is? Most of the time those people don't end up harmed but this is the unfortunate situation that someone did.

Police don't want to open it up because it leads to a lot of false leads and false information which could actually keep a suspect from getting charged. People edit things into videos for fun or to be malicious. Theres a video going around of a girl pointing out shadows in an "unedited" video the news aired by accident"

I don't think it's a case for the FBI at all....especially as of now with no toxicology.
 
yes the air at zero and below creates a freeze burn and that is easily determined by microscopy and the "float test" to determine the amount of compromised tissue. But if there is a positive in this it is at 95 degrees she probably went to sleep and never knew the rest. Perhaps sooner due to the intoxication. 5 - 15 minutes best guess.

Thank you. Great explanation.
 
I agree with your whole post.

In real life, missing cases rarely get solved as quickly as this one did. I think our biggest concern is whether she got to the freezer by herself, and why she was left alone in that "intoxicated" state.





agree with all you said. I don't get why they would have left her to stumble about by herself. one girl could have gone (or taken a second girl) to retrieve any missing time, and one could hsve stayed with a kennels. That would have made much more sense.

I would need to see video proving they all left together and separated with 3 going back and one left behind. At this point, I have a feeling it was a lie made to cover their own behinds. For what reason, I have no clue.


CARIIS, we have followed enough cases to know that videos can be altered and we computer-illiterates don't really always understand how it is done or detected. but .... who would have a motive to alter them in this case? Really, it always gets detected sooner or later. Someone would have to have top-notch photo editing skills to accomplish what you are suggesting in such a short time. If they are edited, I suspect it was done by whoever posted the different versions, and LE does not have time to continually point that out to the general public. JMO. (Love you dearly, but I have to disagree this time :heart: )

Love ya back

it was not a short time !!! We have what 9 minutes of video. How long was it -11 hours between mom at desk at cop saying we see video of her walking erratically.


Go on you tube my dear. you can learn to make the sun disappear in your very own video in around an hour!

Its not like we are talking about adding giraffes, horses, monkeys, oceans , filling with music, colorizing it -- its not a blockbuster !!

It footage of hotel corridor!!

Someone running a 47 cam CCTV system i would think does not need a learning curve !!

It all becomes even more ludicrous if there statement that that is all there is !

The hotel making that claim in and of itself is totally suspicious.

How can that be all there is related to this event in its entirety?

We have 40 kids coming and leaving .

If the hotel was saying there is so much video we have it will take time that makes sense.

But their statement yesterday was declarative - that is all we have of her,

So that means she floated into room 926 until she was stumbling down some corridor.

That can not just be the truth.

People lie for reasons (except some humm humm)!
 
My middle daughter disappeared 28 days before she turned 18. I did all the things I was supposed to do. Immediately filed the missing persons report. Gave LE all the info I could and yet 2 weeks later I found out they never filed the report. Don't even think the color of ones skin makes a difference in these cases. Nearly adult and barely adult missing persons are not taken seriously until either they see proff of danger or attorneys start getting involved. From around 16 and up they just blow it off.

Grouchymom thank you for your informative post.
 
I can't say I agree in regards to video editing. Both my boyfriend and a good friend of mine do security. He barely uses computers aside from basic browsing. It's known for being a job where you can slack sometimes especially on a night shift. Even if you aren't a slacker it's obviously impossible to watch all cameras at once but they're there as a record to look back on like now. You also have to remember these cameras are kind of low quality / low frame rate so some degradation / fuzziness is to be expected. Which I've seen mentioned as people in the shadows.

As previously stated I think it was more of a "Eh she'll show up, they always do" kind of mind state than a nefarious one. That and protection of people in the hotel. Do you know how often crazy mothers or spouses probably come in to a hotel demanding to know where someone is? Most of the time those people don't end up harmed but this is the unfortunate situation that someone did.

Police don't want to open it up because it leads to a lot of false leads and false information which could actually keep a suspect from getting charged. People edit things into videos for fun or to be malicious. Theres a video going around of a girl pointing out shadows in an "unedited" video the news aired by accident"

I don't think it's a case for the FBI at all....especially as of now with no toxicology.

100% agree. Now that we know she died in a freezer, it's easy to criticize the actions that were taken initially. But I don't think anyone would immediately get alarmed when a mother says her 19 year old daughter has been missing for a couple of hours. If I was working at the hotel, my immediate assumption would probably be that she was in someone's room, or that she had left the hotel altogether.
 
Nope ... still agree to disagree (but will keep trying to see your side) sweet CARIIS. I just don't think it could be done .... that would mean pre-planning to avoid detection. These dummies did not think for enough ahead to know the video was going to be critical. But again, JMO
 
At around 7 seconds on this version is the one I have referred to where she pops out of a wall. Pls take note that the red boxes are not in this one .

This has been the pattern with all of them. Some have them some dont know.

There are two sets.

So we have to conclude , that at one level all segments have been altered in one visible way - someone took the time to go through and remove the red boxes on all videos released.

In truth , in this day and age the notion that it takes a mastermind to remove or add images to some digital media can only be done by Disney- is just not true.

There are 13 year olds that are adding moving deleting mixing objects on equipment that does not break the bank.



just saying.......................moo

CBS News likely removed them to put them on air so as not to distract their viewers. It looks much cleaner, and tv-ish, w/o the red boxes. CBS News would likely have someone on staff who would have the skills to take the red activation lines off of the film. Media is their life.
 
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'This is similar to the one posted earlier but this is the routes between KM's home and the hotel

O/T: I said 15 minutes, it's only 16 miles... I cannot imagine it taking nearly an hour to travel 16 miles.
 
This is exactly how I had it mapped out in my head last night before calling it quits and going to bed!

With the information given to us and layouts I was certainly confused and we still know EXACTLY where the kitchen is.

IMO, I still stand that she knew where she was headed. To the kitchen. But why?


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And when she got into the kitchen, she make a beeline for the freezer. She went straight to the freezer. I found that to be odd.
 
O/T: I said 15 minutes, it's only 16 miles... I cannot imagine it taking nearly an hour to travel 16 miles.

I think this sounds about right actually. I live about 15 miles from NYC and it takes about 45-60 mins to get home driving and 1-3 hours on Public Transport depending which method. When I used to hang out and get wasted in the city I would definitely take that train ride home to shower and pass out in my own bed.

And when she got into the kitchen, she make a beeline for the freezer. She went straight to the freezer. I found that to be odd.

That's what made me think she thought the doors lead outside and it was like a "OMG Finally I can get out" using all her energy.
 
I think many of us old timers are in the Sherlock Holmes era of investigation!!

This is 2017 and the digital age!

I learned that these were action activated drastically cutting down search time.

This is not old school rewind the VHS! This is high tech! Digital enter cam 4 300pm poof there it is! If you have a mother standing there telling you can you look in the past hour this is typing in lobby 300 poof!

I am not sure where the cops need a warrent to look at CCTV comes from tho. If the hotel just got robbed is it likely they would want the video reviewed in 19 hours?

The issue for me is there must be a reason why the hotel did what it did, when it did it, and how it did it

CCTV is pro business. A business not wanting it used for what it is designed fo is
is a concern on my end - considering we have deceased 19 year old.

I realize that. I've been in tech for over have my life. However, as OP stated, and I have stated, before, private companies do not have to turn over the video to anyone w/o a missing persons file being submitted and LE filing for it. The cameras are there to protect the motel. The video may not have even been stored onsight, to PREVENT, anyone from manipulating it. It was a weekend, with a skeleton night crew and changing into a morning crew at that time. There very well could have been no one to give them the vids. I don't think they have a giant panel like NASA, with 15 people viewing motel vids. In a casino? Probably. Again, not for the patron's sake, but for the casino's. We have a fourth amendment, Folks rent rooms, and it's considered private. If it were all so simple, LE would not have spent 11 man hours searching the motel.
 
This is exactly how I had it mapped out in my head last night before calling it quits and going to bed!

With the information given to us and layouts I was certainly confused and we still know EXACTLY where the kitchen is.

--------Sorry I meant to say we still DONT know EXACTLY where the kitchen is!

IMO, I still stand that she knew where she was headed. To the kitchen. But why?


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Not necessarily. It is used to regularly in hospital settings. I have been given it twice in the past year in the hospital. If she took a small enough dose, it would just act like morphine or heroin. (Yes, it would make her relaxed & pass out, but not necessarily die.)

I'm just saying that it had to be some sort of depressant drug combined with alcohol. Maybe because I need to believe that she passed out after entering the freezer and wasn't in there trying to scream and get help for hours.
I've been on it before, too. I assume you weren't drinking alcohol at the time. I wasn't either. We also don't know what form it was in. Anyway, I doubt these kids had it in the first place.

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