IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[TheDuchess]

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Thanks but I was only kidding!!! I was being a bit snarky because of all the talk that money issues cause suicide. With all my problems is never commit suicide. My family knows this. Never in a million years. Just kind of scary that we are all discussing motive for suicide based on things we all face in our lives. In other words if I end up mysteriously dead people may jump to that conclusion based on some of the theories we are sharing here myself included!


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[Woe.be.gone]

Was his mortgage paid off or was he renting.

Someone up thread posted there is an existing mortgage.
But police receive a pension.

Also, when you have two, three or four kids in college at or near to the same time, federal funds are available to offset tuition.
Those with only one child are punished and expected to pay through the nose for the same services the other four individual children are receiving.
Sore subject - hey, because I have four children, may I have a deeper discount at a restaurant or Macy's?
Just doesn't seem right imo.

 

[DexterMorgan]

[ QUOTE=Woe.be.gone;12066654]Someone up thread posted there is an existing mortgage.
But police receive a pension.

Also, when you have two, three or four kids in college at or near to the same time, federal funds are available to offset tuition.
Those with only one child are punished and expected to pay through the nose for the same services the other four individual children are receiving.
Sore subject - hey, because I have four children, may I have a deeper discount at a restaurant or Macy's?
Just doesn't seem right imo.[/QUOTE]

Off topic. I wish they eliminate financial aid ,student loans and and grants or scholarships for students who major in liberal arts and broadcast communications and any other bull crap major that will not net most kids a good job once finishing college. Too many kids are in college for almost free. But some are taking up majors that will almost not amount to a good paying job that was worth needing thd credits for.

Then you have cases where you need a big degree or enough credits just to teach a first grader that 1 plus 1 equals 2.

The college system and job market is screwed.

So I will not pay for my kids to attend college if their major is truly non beneficial to the job market at hand. Jmo

 

[Solitaryone]

Rudd said he is still waiting for critical evidence before finalizing his report and determining a manner of death for Gliniewicz,


“We need the DNA on the gun, we need the fingerprints on the gun, we need the DNA that they found, that they claim is not related to the officer,” Rudd said. “We need the gunshot residue from the officer’s clothing and anything else.”
Without that evidence, Rudd says investigators are left in a difficult position.


Source: http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/loca...ke-Investigation-327949911.html#ixzz3lxFKwP4n
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Simply amazing this hasn't been turned over! WTH is going on with this task force?

 

[Chuz Life]

Where to start?

If he went out there to stage an incident he probably could have gotten away with it pretty easily so long as he stuck to his story. I can't see a department investigating their own on something like this.

I agree, though staging something like that would have carried enormous risks and it's probably why it failed so horribly.

Where he would have had problems was the back up call. He had to have known where he was going with this before that request if this scenario is that he fabricated it all.

I'm not so sure about that. Assuming the Lt was in fact staging an encounter, we don't know how far into it he was when he first radioed in. Had he already fired the first shot and was still just trying to make it look like he was assaulted? Or, had he made up his mind that he was just going to end it all? To be honest, I haven't tried to process that part yet, myself.

Because once back up arrived and he wasn't dead but only hurt and it was his gun used, but he still has the gun or the gun found nearby with no other prints and backup finds no suspects things are not adding up quick for him.

That is part of the reason that I believe his fatal shot may not have been intentional. I still think there is a chance that he intended for it to look like a glancing shot at an odd angle and he missed his vest. Some of this will come more into focus once we know more about the fatal bullet's exact trajectory.

So once he accepted backup I think he had a pretty good idea he was not going to be around to control any investigation.

I am somewhat inclined to agree with that though I can still imagine it playing out the way the Lt might have wanted it. He could have intended to survive both shots and have backup arrive, find him down and then take that opportunity to say "they went that way!" That would totally (at least temporarily) take the focus off of his own weapon and such.

His death I think led to the investigation turning to the suspects easier than had he survived once back up arrived the request. Hopefully I understood your post...

You seem to understand it pretty well. As for the investigation, I think anytime a cop calls for backup, the "us verses them" template is almost automatic. Cops are not trained to consider that a downed officer may have just faked an encounter for publicity, for some kind of recognition or to hide a suicide.

 

[LinearUmberto]

Simply amazing this hasn't been turned over! WTH is going on with this task force?

Looks like coroner is leaning towards suicide with what he has but doesn't want to say it without this supposed evidence still out there that would either confirm or negate that pretty easily.

 

[Cubby]

Looks like coroner is leaning towards suicide with what he has but doesn't want to say it without this supposed evidence still out there that would either confirm or negate that pretty easily.

I agree. One has to wonder if the information the coroner is waiting on from LE would eliminate suicide why LE hasn't yet turned it over.

 

[Solitaryone]

I agree. One has to wonder if the information the coroner is waiting on from LE would eliminate suicide why LE hasn't yet turned it over.

Exactly! If there had been a murder all the evidence the Coroner needed would have already been turned over. I think LE is stalling and it's making them look worse each day.

 

[Cubby]

Exactly! If there had been a murder all the evidence the Coroner needed would have already been turned over. I think LE is stalling and it's making them look worse each day.

I'm not sure it's really stalling. According to the NBC article a meeting has been set up between the coroners office and task force for Sunday. I have the feeling the task force knows the family will dispute a suicide finding and perhaps that is why they have sent evidence to multiple labs. I think the family would request they do that and this way, should it be ruled a suicide, they will have info from multiple labs. Of course that doesn't prevent the family from hiring their own experts......

It's most likely something will be made public after that Sunday meeting. If not late on Sunday then on Monday.

 

[Elley Mae]

Looks like coroner is leaning towards suicide with what he has but doesn't want to say it without this supposed evidence still out there that would either confirm or negate that pretty easily.

I agree. That was my interest in the pension and other benefits yesterday I am wondering if some would like this to end up a unsolved killing for the wife's/families benefit. jmo

 

[TheDuchess]

I'm not sure it's really stalling. According to the NBC article a meeting has been set up between the coroners office and task force for Sunday. I have the feeling the task force knows the family will dispute a suicide finding and perhaps that is why they have sent evidence to multiple labs. I think the family would request they do that and this way, should it be ruled a suicide, they will have info from multiple labs. Of course that doesn't prevent the family from hiring their own experts......

It's most likely something will be made public after that Sunday meeting. If not late on Sunday then on Monday.

IF this turns out to be determined to be a suicide, I would imagine that they would want to insure they actually are able to determine with 100% confidence before announcing their findings. They know the stakes. Once they make an announcement one way or the other there is no going back. It will be world news. People will be upset angry sad etc... I am sure they would want every rock turned over before completing their investigation. It has only been about 2 weeks. Why the impatience? If they were to announce something and be wrong they'd be criticized yet many are criticizing them for doing everything with due diligence. The family, the community, and Joe deserve that.


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[Japple]

The audio I keep listening to has unrelated chatter from other parts of the county. Hillside avenue and Bayshore drive is in Lake Bluff Illinois. So the High speed driving of high school kids complaint is irrelevant in this case, IMO.

 

[looking4OPH]

The audio I keep listening to has unrelated chatter from other parts of the county. Hillside avenue and Bayshore drive is in Lake Bluff Illinois. So the High speed driving of high school kids complaint is irrelevant in this case, IMO.

Interesting. I see that intersection on Google Maps now with a clarification in spelling from my earlier look into this detail. It is right where Fox Lake meets Lake Villa on the east side of Fox Lake near Stanton Bay. It is pretty far back into a neighborhood and across town, so agreed that it was likely irrelevant.

 

[Japple]

Interesting. I see that intersection on Google Maps now with a clarification in spelling from my earlier look into this detail. It is right where Fox Lake meets Lake Villa on the east side of Fox Lake near Stanton Bay. It is pretty far back into a neighborhood and across town, so agreed that it was likely irrelevant.

The roads you're referring to don't intersect. Those are N bayshore Rd and N Hillside Dr.

The roads I'm referring to are Hillside Ave and Bayshore Dr. Which is what the call was for, do intersect, and is in Lake Bluff IL. Lake Bluff is in the same county, but aprox 15 miles away. The audio has a lot of unrelated calls from throughout the county during the time that this all went down.

Reason I bring this up is because I think this is where the possibility of suspects being juveniles came from.

 

[Cubby]

IF this turns out to be determined to be a suicide, I would imagine that they would want to insure they actually are able to determine with 100% confidence before announcing their findings. They know the stakes. Once they make an announcement one way or the other there is no going back. It will be world news. People will be upset angry sad etc... I am sure they would want every rock turned over before completing their investigation. It has only been about 2 weeks. Why the impatience? If they were to announce something and be wrong they'd be criticized yet many are criticizing them for doing everything with due diligence. The family, the community, and Joe deserve that.


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I made a statement based on an observation. The Sunday meeting sounds like they are close to concluding their investigation. We've seen many cases here where suicide has been ruled in less than 2.5 weeks.


Of course people are going to be mad, angry, etc. The evidence is the evidence and thus far there is just no evidence to support anyone other than Lt. CG was involved.

 

[cady]

My father used that word a lot. Typically when speaking of politicians. He'd also say "that's a load of bunk." Or that someone was full of baloney. This from a man whose worst cuss word was "what in the Sam Hill???"

LOL Irish? My father used all 3 terms, although they were common from the 30's and 40', I think. JMO

 

[cady]

IF this turns out to be determined to be a suicide, I would imagine that they would want to insure they actually are able to determine with 100% confidence before announcing their findings. They know the stakes. Once they make an announcement one way or the other there is no going back. It will be world news. People will be upset angry sad etc... I am sure they would want every rock turned over before completing their investigation. It has only been about 2 weeks. Why the impatience? If they were to announce something and be wrong they'd be criticized yet many are criticizing them for doing everything with due diligence. The family, the community, and Joe deserve that.


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Remember that LE was furious that the coroner did not rule HOMICIDE right away without having the same lab results that he is still waiting for. JMO

 

[vestigare]

Looks like coroner is leaning towards suicide with what he has but doesn't want to say it without this supposed evidence still out there that would either confirm or negate that pretty easily.

It sounds to me as if everything he has seen looks like suicide but he knows the task force keeps saying it was homicide So he says give me the evidence that woukd show homicide and I will have a look and they refuse to even talk to him.

To me that menas there must not have been defensive wounds or proof of anything like strangling. It also says that he could probably tell the gun was fairly close when fire, at least close enough for the deceased to have fired it himself.

So he needs some sort of other evidence that another person was at the scene beyond just LE saying it

 

[vestigare]

I agree. One has to wonder if the information the coroner is waiting on from LE would eliminate suicide why LE hasn't yet turned it over.

As another poster commented yesterday Filennko was very quick and very giddy to discuss the video he was also happy about the significant evidence he found on the 4th right around the time the feds started to pull back. So if he had even the smallest evidence that had even the most remote chance of showing another person could have fired.that gun he would have called a press conference and been more than ready to show it.

Which makes me think they don't have much of anything at all that even the most naive LEO or rookie journalist wouldn't poke holes in.

Maybe after more tests they will find something but I am sceptical that after two weeks they don't have even a prelim test that they have shown to the coronerto help bolster their claim.

 

[TheDuchess]

I made a statement based on an observation. The Sunday meeting sounds like they are close to concluding their investigation. We've seen many cases here where suicide has been ruled in less than 2.5 weeks.


Of course people are going to be mad, angry, etc. The evidence is the evidence and thus far there is just no evidence to support anyone other than Lt. CG was involved.

My post was not intended to refute or criticize your original post at all. I was speaking to the contents of the actual post, not you specifically. Sorry if that wasn't apparent.

And sure, I agree with you that there have been other cases ruled suicide in less than 2.5 weeks, but I think this case is not quite as obvious or easy. I feel that IF it is a suicide, it is following an international story, an 18 mile procession and it is extremely imperative that they get this one right, because if they get it wrong, oh boy! Everyone has their opinions and yours is valid as is mine. I just don't understand the need, at this point, after the manhunts are over, he has been buried, etc...to rush. That's all. If they come back with a ruling in 3 weeks as a suicide, I would feel that is fairly quick considering the circumstances that I don't think anyone in LE felt it was a suicide at the start. I think they are just crossing t's and dotting i's to insure due diligence. I am fairly local and feel that this case definitely deserves to have all of the evidence come in and analyzed before solving the case as a suicide.

P.S. If ruled a suicide, the case is essentially over. If it turns out to be homicide, it is just beginning.